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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are saying kids run out of math classes - don't a lot of these kids start taking college level math NOVA at this point? I honestly don't know. Seems like the logical next step?

If NOVA at base schools was considered acceptable, TJ would have never existed in the first place. TJ academics are far more rigorous than NoVA courses of the same level.

TJHSST exists in the first place because (1) otherwise one of the three high schools in that general area - Annandale, Jefferson, or Stuart - would have been closed due to declining enrollments in the mid-80s; and (2) county officials, mostly Republican at the time, thought a STEM-oriented high school would help market Fairfax County to West Coast defense contractors looking to establish an East Coast presence in the Reagan era.

It wasn't created to meet a particular educational need, or because NOVA couldn't offer college-level math courses. You can argue TJHSST became something else over time, but it wasn't created originally because math classes at base high schools or NOVA were deemed lacking.

TJ was created in 1995.
Clinton was president and we were working on that "peace dividend"
TJ was created as a governors school to address the needs of the gifted.

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Anonymous wrote:All I hope is that FCPS doesn’t double down and expect people to pretend TJ is special or really a place for the best and the brightest any longer. It’s just a not very convincing demonstration project for FCPS to tout its flimsy commitment to promoting URMs within the system.

Was it though, really?

Yes, it is an amazing place for the right fit. My hope is that those kids still made it through this new process that devalued merit and focused on diversity factors.

Did you read the OP? If they ticked the wrong race, they did not

It’s a race blind process. Stop lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are saying kids run out of math classes - don't a lot of these kids start taking college level math NOVA at this point? I honestly don't know. Seems like the logical next step?

If NOVA at base schools was considered acceptable, TJ would have never existed in the first place. TJ academics are far more rigorous than NoVA courses of the same level.

TJHSST exists in the first place because (1) otherwise one of the three high schools in that general area - Annandale, Jefferson, or Stuart - would have been closed due to declining enrollments in the mid-80s; and (2) county officials, mostly Republican at the time, thought a STEM-oriented high school would help market Fairfax County to West Coast defense contractors looking to establish an East Coast presence in the Reagan era.

It wasn't created to meet a particular educational need, or because NOVA couldn't offer college-level math courses. You can argue TJHSST became something else over time, but it wasn't created originally because math classes at base high schools or NOVA were deemed lacking.

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Nope. This just created parents like OP who thought they had figured out the recipe for getting into TJ. And they loved that it was harder to attain by most kids who went without the knowledge of the “secret” recipe and means to achieve it. This has nothing to do with talent.

What secret recipe? Being good at math?

If being advanced in math, getting straight As in the highest levels of classes offered by your school, and excelling in STEM competitions doesn't make a child TJ-worthy, then what does? Getting Bs? Taking regular classes? Failing to qualify for Algebra? Not even participating in STEM competitions or doing poorly? Have we entered bizarro world?

Maybe being a good happy child? And less boring and more creative?

Why would you want your kid to go to the school with the most crushing academics if free time is what you value?

Students and their parents get misled into believing they can do well at TJ even with poor math and English skills. First class after admissions change, more than 65 went back to base school in freshman. Entire essay base evaluation is a bogus cover for race based admissions.

Anonymous wrote:link to TJHSST enrollment data:
https://tinyurl.com/tjenroll

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are saying kids run out of math classes - don't a lot of these kids start taking college level math NOVA at this point? I honestly don't know. Seems like the logical next step?

If NOVA at base schools was considered acceptable, TJ would have never existed in the first place. TJ academics are far more rigorous than NoVA courses of the same level.

TJHSST exists in the first place because (1) otherwise one of the three high schools in that general area - Annandale, Jefferson, or Stuart - would have been closed due to declining enrollments in the mid-80s; and (2) county officials, mostly Republican at the time, thought a STEM-oriented high school would help market Fairfax County to West Coast defense contractors looking to establish an East Coast presence in the Reagan era.

It wasn't created to meet a particular educational need, or because NOVA couldn't offer college-level math courses. You can argue TJHSST became something else over time, but it wasn't created originally because math classes at base high schools or NOVA were deemed lacking.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are saying kids run out of math classes - don't a lot of these kids start taking college level math NOVA at this point? I honestly don't know. Seems like the logical next step?

If NOVA at base schools was considered acceptable, TJ would have never existed in the first place. TJ academics are far more rigorous than NoVA courses of the same level.

Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are saying kids run out of math classes - don't a lot of these kids start taking college level math NOVA at this point? I honestly don't know. Seems like the logical next step?

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Nope. This just created parents like OP who thought they had figured out the recipe for getting into TJ. And they loved that it was harder to attain by most kids who went without the knowledge of the “secret” recipe and means to achieve it. This has nothing to do with talent.

What secret recipe? Being good at math?

If being advanced in math, getting straight As in the highest levels of classes offered by your school, and excelling in STEM competitions doesn't make a child TJ-worthy, then what does? Getting Bs? Taking regular classes? Failing to qualify for Algebra? Not even participating in STEM competitions or doing poorly? Have we entered bizarro world?

Maybe being a good happy child? And less boring and more creative?

Why would you want your kid to go to the school with the most crushing academics if free time is what you value?

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Anonymous wrote:

Nope. This just created parents like OP who thought they had figured out the recipe for getting into TJ. And they loved that it was harder to attain by most kids who went without the knowledge of the “secret” recipe and means to achieve it. This has nothing to do with talent.

What secret recipe? Being good at math?

If being advanced in math, getting straight As in the highest levels of classes offered by your school, and excelling in STEM competitions doesn't make a child TJ-worthy, then what does? Getting Bs? Taking regular classes? Failing to qualify for Algebra? Not even participating in STEM competitions or doing poorly? Have we entered bizarro world?

Maybe being a good happy child? And less boring and more creative?

Anonymous wrote:i don't think that being in a more advanced math class in 7th and 8th grade is proof that a child belongs at TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:All I hope is that FCPS doesn’t double down and expect people to pretend TJ is special or really a place for the best and the brightest any longer. It’s just a not very convincing demonstration project for FCPS to tout its flimsy commitment to promoting URMs within the system.

Was it though, really?

Yes, it is an amazing place for the right fit. My hope is that those kids still made it through this new process that devalued merit and focused on diversity factors.

Did you read the OP? If they ticked the wrong race, they did not

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Anonymous wrote:All I hope is that FCPS doesn’t double down and expect people to pretend TJ is special or really a place for the best and the brightest any longer. It’s just a not very convincing demonstration project for FCPS to tout its flimsy commitment to promoting URMs within the system.

Was it though, really?

Yes, it is an amazing place for the right fit. My hope is that those kids still made it through this new process that devalued merit and focused on diversity factors.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't the new admissions policy have the biggest gains for economically disadvantaged Asian students?

Yes.

https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
Pg 7
“we are satisfied that the challenged admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students”

page 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."




And...

There are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

Asian students still make up the majority of students.

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):


The data also shows that Asian students were still accepted at a higher rate than almost all other groups, aside from Hispanic students. The acceptance rate for Asian students drives the mean since they comprise such a large % of applicants and acceptances.

Asian 19%
Black 14% (5% lower)
Multiracial/Other* 13% (6% lower)
Hispanic 21%
White 17%

Can you update the chart?

Because the only group that seems to have decreased is asians while every other group increased.
That really seems like an attempt to racially balance the school

Except the number of Asian students enrolled at TJ has not decreased.

If you look at the four years before the admissions change and the four years after, there are on average MORE Asian students at TJ today.



It wasn't about reducing the number of Asian students; it was about adding others. It wasn't zero sum - they added seats to open up access to kids from across the county. There are just as many Asian students there today as there were before.

Get better at reading graphs. The relative decline resembles a free fall. What you called "increase" represent 5% of the baseline 7 years ago, where non-Asian increased by bugging 46%.

This chart is homebrew. They made it themselves.The numbers are wrong.

The asian admits for the last 20 years are:

2024: 315
2023: 340
2022: 330
2021: 299
2020: 355
2019: 360
2018: 316
2017: 367
2016: 335
2015: 346
2014: 323
2013: 317
2012: 308
2011: 273
2010: 276
2009: 260 Asian admissions exceeds 50% of the entering class
2008: 219 This is the first year when Asian admissions exceeded white admissions of 205 (and black admissions of 9 and hispanic admissions of 10)
2007: 188
2006: 192
2005: 160
2004: 143