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Anonymous wrote:They wont. Some individual businesses may require proof but not most.

But on the flip side, employers won’t provide extended sick leave and quarantine leave etc.

Yeah, I just had 2 unvaccinated supervisees have to use almost 2 weeks of sick leave to quarantine because they were exposed to another employee, where the vaccinated employees could come to work as usual and just self-monitor for symptoms. At least one of those two is reevaluating her stance.

That's quite the policy.

Why. The guidance for vaccinated people is different than for unvaccinated people. Of course. Why would they not be subjected to different policies?

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Anonymous wrote:They wont. Some individual businesses may require proof but not most.

But on the flip side, employers won’t provide extended sick leave and quarantine leave etc.

Yeah, I just had 2 unvaccinated supervisees have to use almost 2 weeks of sick leave to quarantine because they were exposed to another employee, where the vaccinated employees could come to work as usual and just self-monitor for symptoms. At least one of those two is reevaluating her stance.

That's quite the policy.

This is a very bad death. Very bad. Quick, scary, alone.

I have a Trumper humper doctor relative in Florida who said "covid is no big deal" until he ended up getting infected by one of his patients last year.

He ended up spending months in the hospital, much of it on machines.

Some folks have to learn the hard way.

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Anonymous wrote:There are ways around everything..... Resourceful and patient people can easily work around every single "what if?" scenario mentioned here. All the anger and name calling in the world will not move people who have made up their minds. You all should use your energy for something productive and not equivalent to screaming at a wall. If you are vaccinated, carry on with your life. If you are not vaccinated, take care of your general health and be mindful of exposure.

There will be some real differences between what is available for vaccinated vs unvaccinated people. Maybe that will influence some decisions.

That's fair, but some will feel forced and dig their heels in deeper. I don't know the latest percentage, but there are quite a few people hesitant about the vaccine. Some will eventually get it, but a significant number will not. These people can't be stereotyped into groups, so there is no blanket solution to the problem of hesitancy or refusal. My point is that stressing out snd threatening people may change a couple of minds, but at what cost to your own health? Enjoy being vaccinated, live your life and allow people to live theirs.

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Anonymous wrote:Some private Mds will not accept patients that are not vaccinated.

Pfizer is in the final stages of testing a pill that stops Covid infections in its tracks. Once that is out on the market, the idea of requiring a vaccine will fade. You can't mandate a virus that's treatable.

It does make me wonder whether or not there was some deliberate suppression of other medications that could have helped patients recover that are already out on the market. Nothing is foolproof, of course (consider TamiFlu), but there's big money in any drug that can treat a newer virus.

Final stages of testing does not equal flooding the market anytime soon. A deliberate suppression of a drug that could save millions? Sigh.

It’s hard not to think we should have had this already.

Do you realize that scientists can't just snap their fingers and magically make these great treatments appear? It's a minor miracle that any vaccine, especially one so effective, was developed so quickly.

Drugs are used off-label ALL the time. Oftentimes, it's not one drug, it's a combination of drugs that make the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:How many large national companies are based in montana? Local businesses can do as they please but large national companies will be under pressure to support vaccinations. So many people have seriously had enough with any anti science nonsense surrounding this virus.

Yep. And as pointed out by another PP, no large company wants legal liability -- the more employees and patrons you have, the more potential lawsuits. It doesn't even have to be justified -- insurance companies are not going to want to cover the costs of assessment, litigation, and the rest.

I guess governors could try passing executive orders that insurance companies can't raise rates in their states, but I think it's probably time to permit the market to correct itself.

Yes. Imagine a company like carnival cruises allowing unvaxed people on their ships? They need that like they need a hole in the head.

maybe they could have special cruises for the unvaxxed. They only go to ports in Florida and Texas..or maybe no ports at all.

You joke, but the fact that Florida is not allowing businesses to "discriminate" based on vaccine status is a huge problem for the cruise industry. If they want to restrict to vaccinated people (or the CDC requires it), they likely would have to forgo any Florida ports, which is a huge embarkation point for them.

They should make a deal to port out of Cuba.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, one of the reasons I am not vaccinating yet is TO be limited! The moment I'm vaccinated, everyone will turn to me to do/fix everything again and frankly I'm at my breaking point. We have another house I can escape to if need be and I'd be perfectly happy to not have to live under the constant whiny demands of others.

You need to learn boundaries.
Not vaccinating yet to avoid conflict with people because you can't say no? Yikes.

When it comes to your parents who have done nothing to help themselves, are cross-country, and probably both are mentally compromised, saying no is not really an option. I've tried all the normal routes for help (their doctors, social workers, etc) to no avail, and not being vaccinated is the ONLY thing these people will understand because they are 95% focused on Covid. They won't want me there and the system will kick in because they now have nobody. Once they are helped and settled, I can work from there. Until then? I'm going to use non-vaccination as the big stick.

When I say burned out, I mean BURNED OUT to the tune of running from everyone and everything just to a bit of a mental and physical break.

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Anonymous wrote:They wont. Some individual businesses may require proof but not most.

But on the flip side, employers won’t provide extended sick leave and quarantine leave etc.

Yeah, I just had 2 unvaccinated supervisees have to use almost 2 weeks of sick leave to quarantine because they were exposed to another employee, where the vaccinated employees could come to work as usual and just self-monitor for symptoms. At least one of those two is reevaluating her stance.

Yep. Then they finally get COVID and too bad, so sad, you are out of sick leave!!!

Anonymous wrote:And should we do more to get them to do the patriotic thing?

No cruises, no international travel, no college.

How else will people who refuse to get the shot be affected?

I have friends who are all upset their kids can't live on campus next year unless they are vaccinated. I don't know what they are going to do.

Live off campus? Not a big deal unless you are a freshman. At many schools, getting an apartment off campus with a bunch of friends is the popular thing to do.

Anonymous wrote:My 17 year old vaccinated child has school mates that claim they are planning to get the vaccine when they turn 18 against their parents wishes.

That's definitely a thing. There are loads of them posting vax photos on reddit.

Anonymous wrote:My 17 year old vaccinated child has school mates that claim they are planning to get the vaccine when they turn 18 against their parents wishes.

Smart kids!

My 17 year old vaccinated child has school mates that claim they are planning to get the vaccine when they turn 18 against their parents wishes.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend just mentioned to me that her mom's specialist told her they are requiring covid-19 vaccination to be seen in the practice. The doctor has a rare specialty that people travel from other states for and doesn't want to be exposed.

I think I it’s going to be relatively easy for in demand specialists to institute something like this. General practitioners in states with low vaccination rates? That’s a different story, and a harder choice.

Agree. There will be big differences in what kinds of requirements are in place state by state. Or maybe states will work together regionally to have the same requirements

Blue state physician regulation bodies will never agree to mandating that physicians see anti-vax patients. Not going to happen.

There will probably always be outlier providers who aren't concerned and/or who are not in demand. And ERs have to take everyone*, so there you go.

*but they don't have to allow visitors, naturally