Anonymous
05/19/2021 10:19
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this conundrum why it is taking so long for offers to go out to players outside the two clubs? They aren’t sure which team will be the top one? I agree that you cannot simply split the talent equally, as then neither club is better off than they were before.
I think the MLS Next team has to be the top one. The problem is that I don't see how they can make two teams capable of playing in two top leagues. The merger made sense when they were going to play in one top league. On their own neither club can really put out a competitive set of teams in either ECNL or MLSNext. Combining both clubs would have helped to create one set of competitive teams. But trying to put out two sets of competitive teams, unless they get a lot of talent from outside, is going to be a struggle.
On the boys side, SYC can have a strong MLS and left over talent for another team.
No they can't. SYC has a good 2008 MLS Next team. Their 2003/4 team may be good enough to finish mid table, although that's not a given. The 2005-2007 teams will likely be competing for last place, and will struggle to win games. I don't know about the 2009 team.
And in no case will the players left over be of any significant help in making the ECNL teams stronger, where McLean needs top of the roster players - not more marginal starters/bench players which is what will be left after the MLS Next roster is filled.
SYC 2008s 5 top best players are not from SYC.
Then where are they all from?
Does it matter, as long as they show up? (I'm not an SYC parent, but I can see that this would be annoying if one were - so my "does it matter?" is merely from the perspective of whether or not they can field a team, not whether it's good for the kids on the roster)
Anonymous
05/19/2021 08:57
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this conundrum why it is taking so long for offers to go out to players outside the two clubs? They aren’t sure which team will be the top one? I agree that you cannot simply split the talent equally, as then neither club is better off than they were before.
I think the MLS Next team has to be the top one. The problem is that I don't see how they can make two teams capable of playing in two top leagues. The merger made sense when they were going to play in one top league. On their own neither club can really put out a competitive set of teams in either ECNL or MLSNext. Combining both clubs would have helped to create one set of competitive teams. But trying to put out two sets of competitive teams, unless they get a lot of talent from outside, is going to be a struggle.
On the boys side, SYC can have a strong MLS and left over talent for another team.
No they can't. SYC has a good 2008 MLS Next team. Their 2003/4 team may be good enough to finish mid table, although that's not a given. The 2005-2007 teams will likely be competing for last place, and will struggle to win games. I don't know about the 2009 team.
And in no case will the players left over be of any significant help in making the ECNL teams stronger, where McLean needs top of the roster players - not more marginal starters/bench players which is what will be left after the MLS Next roster is filled.
SYC 2008s 5 top best players are not from SYC.
Then where are they all from?
SYC has some type of agreement with Manassas but I wouldn't be surprised to see other coaches friendly to each other recommend movement.
Anonymous
05/18/2021 23:05
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this conundrum why it is taking so long for offers to go out to players outside the two clubs? They aren’t sure which team will be the top one? I agree that you cannot simply split the talent equally, as then neither club is better off than they were before.
I think the MLS Next team has to be the top one. The problem is that I don't see how they can make two teams capable of playing in two top leagues. The merger made sense when they were going to play in one top league. On their own neither club can really put out a competitive set of teams in either ECNL or MLSNext. Combining both clubs would have helped to create one set of competitive teams. But trying to put out two sets of competitive teams, unless they get a lot of talent from outside, is going to be a struggle.
On the boys side, SYC can have a strong MLS and left over talent for another team.
No they can't. SYC has a good 2008 MLS Next team. Their 2003/4 team may be good enough to finish mid table, although that's not a given. The 2005-2007 teams will likely be competing for last place, and will struggle to win games. I don't know about the 2009 team.
And in no case will the players left over be of any significant help in making the ECNL teams stronger, where McLean needs top of the roster players - not more marginal starters/bench players which is what will be left after the MLS Next roster is filled.
SYC 2008s 5 top best players are not from SYC.
Then where are they all from?
Anonymous
05/18/2021 22:59
Subject: Re:Virginia Union FC
Don’t see Virginia Union on the ECNL website. Is this for real?
Anonymous
05/15/2021 17:04
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:I think coaches don’t realize (or don’t care) how tiresome the “player pool” concept is for parents and players. It always sounds great at the beginning but then when your player is trying hard and still not getting time with the top team due to whatever reason (a lot can be political) it gets frustrating and tiring. Better to have a set team IMO even if it is the B team.
As long as they have players signing up for player pools, they will take your money even as players and parents come up with justifications to themselves and their peers.
Anonymous
05/15/2021 16:47
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this conundrum why it is taking so long for offers to go out to players outside the two clubs? They aren’t sure which team will be the top one? I agree that you cannot simply split the talent equally, as then neither club is better off than they were before.
I think the MLS Next team has to be the top one. The problem is that I don't see how they can make two teams capable of playing in two top leagues. The merger made sense when they were going to play in one top league. On their own neither club can really put out a competitive set of teams in either ECNL or MLSNext. Combining both clubs would have helped to create one set of competitive teams. But trying to put out two sets of competitive teams, unless they get a lot of talent from outside, is going to be a struggle.
On the boys side, SYC can have a strong MLS and left over talent for another team.
No they can't. SYC has a good 2008 MLS Next team. Their 2003/4 team may be good enough to finish mid table, although that's not a given. The 2005-2007 teams will likely be competing for last place, and will struggle to win games. I don't know about the 2009 team.
And in no case will the players left over be of any significant help in making the ECNL teams stronger, where McLean needs top of the roster players - not more marginal starters/bench players which is what will be left after the MLS Next roster is filled.
SYC 2008s 5 top best players are not from SYC.
Fair enough. But won't they still be playing for the MLS Next team next season?
Anonymous
05/15/2021 16:40
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this conundrum why it is taking so long for offers to go out to players outside the two clubs? They aren’t sure which team will be the top one? I agree that you cannot simply split the talent equally, as then neither club is better off than they were before.
I think the MLS Next team has to be the top one. The problem is that I don't see how they can make two teams capable of playing in two top leagues. The merger made sense when they were going to play in one top league. On their own neither club can really put out a competitive set of teams in either ECNL or MLSNext. Combining both clubs would have helped to create one set of competitive teams. But trying to put out two sets of competitive teams, unless they get a lot of talent from outside, is going to be a struggle.
On the boys side, SYC can have a strong MLS and left over talent for another team.
No they can't. SYC has a good 2008 MLS Next team. Their 2003/4 team may be good enough to finish mid table, although that's not a given. The 2005-2007 teams will likely be competing for last place, and will struggle to win games. I don't know about the 2009 team.
And in no case will the players left over be of any significant help in making the ECNL teams stronger, where McLean needs top of the roster players - not more marginal starters/bench players which is what will be left after the MLS Next roster is filled.
SYC 2008s 5 top best players are not from SYC.
Anonymous
05/15/2021 14:10
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For which age group have outside players gotten offers for MLSNext/ECNL?
There are several players outside both clubs who are getting offers. There is plenty of talent to seed two top teams. I don't think MLS Next is necessarily the 'top team' --there are a lot of factors involved that would cause somebody to choose ECNL (i.e. other sports, high school play, stability (given recency of DA collapse) with recruiting, coaching, distance etc). There are just as many reasons that people would choose MLS Next. With the cost being the same, and ECNL moving to Mid-Atlantic zone (i.e. MD vs. SC), the cost factor really isn't a thing.
So the question is whether across each age group these two clubs have 30 decent players (or up to 40 if they want a broad bench). Based on what I saw at tryouts and the outside players who I think the answer is obvious....
I think this depends entirely on the age group. Both clubs are very weak in the 2005-2007 age groups and will need a huge amount of help. Good on them if they manage to unearth that many good players - but it seems like a stretch to me.
Anonymous
05/15/2021 14:04
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this conundrum why it is taking so long for offers to go out to players outside the two clubs? They aren’t sure which team will be the top one? I agree that you cannot simply split the talent equally, as then neither club is better off than they were before.
I think the MLS Next team has to be the top one. The problem is that I don't see how they can make two teams capable of playing in two top leagues. The merger made sense when they were going to play in one top league. On their own neither club can really put out a competitive set of teams in either ECNL or MLSNext. Combining both clubs would have helped to create one set of competitive teams. But trying to put out two sets of competitive teams, unless they get a lot of talent from outside, is going to be a struggle.
On the boys side, SYC can have a strong MLS and left over talent for another team.
No they can't. SYC has a good 2008 MLS Next team. Their 2003/4 team may be good enough to finish mid table, although that's not a given. The 2005-2007 teams will likely be competing for last place, and will struggle to win games. I don't know about the 2009 team.
And in no case will the players left over be of any significant help in making the ECNL teams stronger, where McLean needs top of the roster players - not more marginal starters/bench players which is what will be left after the MLS Next roster is filled.
Anonymous
05/15/2021 13:54
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:For which age group have outside players gotten offers for MLSNext/ECNL?
There are several players outside both clubs who are getting offers. There is plenty of talent to seed two top teams. I don't think MLS Next is necessarily the 'top team' --there are a lot of factors involved that would cause somebody to choose ECNL (i.e. other sports, high school play, stability (given recency of DA collapse) with recruiting, coaching, distance etc). There are just as many reasons that people would choose MLS Next. With the cost being the same, and ECNL moving to Mid-Atlantic zone (i.e. MD vs. SC), the cost factor really isn't a thing.
So the question is whether across each age group these two clubs have 30 decent players (or up to 40 if they want a broad bench). Based on what I saw at tryouts and the outside players who I think the answer is obvious....
Anonymous
05/15/2021 13:05
Subject: Virginia Union FC
For which age group have outside players gotten offers for MLSNext/ECNL?
Anonymous
05/15/2021 11:45
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:Is this conundrum why it is taking so long for offers to go out to players outside the two clubs? They aren’t sure which team will be the top one? I agree that you cannot simply split the talent equally, as then neither club is better off than they were before.
Some outside people have gotten offers.
Anonymous
05/15/2021 11:42
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this conundrum why it is taking so long for offers to go out to players outside the two clubs? They aren’t sure which team will be the top one? I agree that you cannot simply split the talent equally, as then neither club is better off than they were before.
I think the MLS Next team has to be the top one. The problem is that I don't see how they can make two teams capable of playing in two top leagues. The merger made sense when they were going to play in one top league. On their own neither club can really put out a competitive set of teams in either ECNL or MLSNext. Combining both clubs would have helped to create one set of competitive teams. But trying to put out two sets of competitive teams, unless they get a lot of talent from outside, is going to be a struggle.
On the boys side, SYC can have a strong MLS and left over talent for another team.
Anonymous
05/15/2021 11:31
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Anonymous wrote:Is this conundrum why it is taking so long for offers to go out to players outside the two clubs? They aren’t sure which team will be the top one? I agree that you cannot simply split the talent equally, as then neither club is better off than they were before.
I think the MLS Next team has to be the top one. The problem is that I don't see how they can make two teams capable of playing in two top leagues. The merger made sense when they were going to play in one top league. On their own neither club can really put out a competitive set of teams in either ECNL or MLSNext. Combining both clubs would have helped to create one set of competitive teams. But trying to put out two sets of competitive teams, unless they get a lot of talent from outside, is going to be a struggle.
Anonymous
05/15/2021 08:52
Subject: Virginia Union FC
Is this conundrum why it is taking so long for offers to go out to players outside the two clubs? They aren’t sure which team will be the top one? I agree that you cannot simply split the talent equally, as then neither club is better off than they were before.