Anonymous wrote:I agree that it will be second degree and that something is not right with Chauvin. Also pp up-thread post that Chauvin wanted to render Floyd unconscious and keep him that way until paramedics arrived, seems accurate.

I do not agree with pp, Chauvin knew - as the bystanders noticed - that Floyd was never a major threat in the first place to put him on the ground and where - if you watch the video - can see that Floyd was in distress, he was actually begging all the time. He was like a kid. He only resisted before when he was in the car because he was claustrophic.

Chauvin is soo very guilty and the others as well. I pray that he gets the maximum sentence and be it an explicit warning to all other policemen and police women out there.

I agree that it will be second degree and that something is not right with Chauvin. Also pp up-thread post that Chauvin wanted to render Floyd unconscious and keep him that way until paramedics arrived, seems accurate.

There may be legal issues regarding mental state and causation, but something is seriously wrong with Chauvin.

Re-watching it, though, the crowd telling him Floyd is non-responsive for several minutes and digging his knee in further, I bet they come back with second degree.


That video should be required viewing for every American.

Chauvin gets up only after paramedic tells him to get out of the way then he proceeds to roughly roll him onto the gurney; paramedic instinctively protects Floyd’s limp head.

A lot of posts, will try to add some answers:

EMTs testified yesterday about moving to a different location. Answer was it takes a lot of focus to do that level of CPR and they needed to be able to concentrate on their patient so they thought it was better to leave the scene. One was driving the ambulance and one was in the back with Lane (former MPD officer charged with aiding and abetting in this case). Lane did compressions while the EMT in the back was hooking up monitors and a machine that does compressions. After driving several blocks, the EMT driving parked and entered the back of the ambulance. I’m not sure exactly what Lane does at this point but it seems like he walked back to the Cup Foods block.

During this time, MFD (fire) arrived to Cup Foods block, did not see patient or ambulance. Talk to off duty MFD officer on scene who testified the first day.

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Basic chain of events:
-GF in Cup Foods, getting phone fixed, there are counterfeit bills (young employee testified he thinks passenger MH was the source)
-Young employee goes out to GF car twice, tries to talk to them about it
-Cup Foods manager calls police. Lane and Keung arrive. Speak very briefly to manager who points out car, seems to implicate GF
-Lane approaches car, draws service weapon, orders people out, kind of chaotic
-GF is cuffed and sitting up against wall on sidewalk. Things are mostly okay
-Lane decides to place him in squad car. Keung is walking with him at one point. He doesn’t want to go. Seems to be having a panic attack. Lane offers to turn on AC etc
-Eventually they are trying to put him in and a significant struggle ensues. They call for backup. Chauvin and Thao arrive on scene as struggle is taking place
-Chauvin assists Lane and Keung and Thao is securing the scene
-At some point early on Thao is getting “hobbles” which are ankle restraints. We learned during testimony yesterday these require clearance from a supervisor to use presumably meaning they have to radio a sergeant. The hobbles are not used.
-They can’t get GF in the car and Chauvin says to place him on the ground. Re: the “heart attack” comment my recollection is an officer says something like “calm down man you’re going to give yourself a heart attack”. Don’t take that as a direct quote but that’s my recollection.
-Chauvin is near GF upper body and visible to the crowd on the sidewalk in front of Cup Foods.
-Lane and Keung are at GF midsection and legs. They are blocked by the police SUV in the view from the widely circulated bystander video, which is likely what the confusion in several posts in this thread is about.
-Lane asks to roll GF into recovery. Chauvin says no we’re going to wait here
-Several min in waiting for EMS, Keung states he can’t find a pulse. Chauvin does not really react.
-Eventually EMS arrives, EMT is reaching around Chauvin to take pulse, then he gets up

I wonder if the other officers were afraid of Chauvin. Had this not resulted in Floyd's death, Chauvin would have probably retaliated afterwards if they "disrespected" him in front of the crowd.

I think the two on Floyd’s body were rookies and just following Chauvin, Officer Thao kept his back turned and is quoted saying, “it was not his job”, but am sure the reason runs deeper.

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

He kneeled on his neck for nearly 10 minutes. If someone closes your airway for 10 minutes, you will die, regardless of your previous health. People like you are hateful and disgusting. You will always find an excuse for a cop - this was murder, plain and simple.

As I said upthread - the goalposts keep moving. No one’s life was ever in danger here, with the exception of George Floyd.

You missed a word: WHITE should be inserted before cop. Then folks really fall all over themselves to justify why the cop killed someone.

The other officers weren’t white, where were they though when this was transpiring? Watching? Will they be called to stand as witnesses?

One was (Lane.) One was Asian. The other appears (to me) to be bi-racial (black/white.)

Who cares what color they are? But what were they doing while Chauvin was kneeling on Floyd’s neck? Why no intervention?

I'm just correcting the previous poster who said they were not white. At least one of them was.

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

He kneeled on his neck for nearly 10 minutes. If someone closes your airway for 10 minutes, you will die, regardless of your previous health. People like you are hateful and disgusting. You will always find an excuse for a cop - this was murder, plain and simple.

As I said upthread - the goalposts keep moving. No one’s life was ever in danger here, with the exception of George Floyd.

You missed a word: WHITE should be inserted before cop. Then folks really fall all over themselves to justify why the cop killed someone.

The other officers weren’t white, where were they though when this was transpiring? Watching? Will they be called to stand as witnesses?

One was (Lane.) One was Asian. The other appears (to me) to be bi-racial (black/white.)

Who cares what color they are? But what were they doing while Chauvin was kneeling on Floyd’s neck? Why no intervention?

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

He kneeled on his neck for nearly 10 minutes. If someone closes your airway for 10 minutes, you will die, regardless of your previous health. People like you are hateful and disgusting. You will always find an excuse for a cop - this was murder, plain and simple.

As I said upthread - the goalposts keep moving. No one’s life was ever in danger here, with the exception of George Floyd.

You missed a word: WHITE should be inserted before cop. Then folks really fall all over themselves to justify why the cop killed someone.

The other officers weren’t white, where were they though when this was transpiring? Watching? Will they be called to stand as witnesses?

One was (Lane.) One was Asian. The other appears (to me) to be bi-racial (black/white.)

Anonymous wrote:No, but I think that a murderer’s appearance is pretty much fair game. *shrug*

If I was a murderer, I’m sure they would crack some jokes about my appearance... and I’d deserve it... you know, as a murderer and all.

Evidently you deserve it, even if you don't murder someone, because you are a low person.

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

He kneeled on his neck for nearly 10 minutes. If someone closes your airway for 10 minutes, you will die, regardless of your previous health. People like you are hateful and disgusting. You will always find an excuse for a cop - this was murder, plain and simple.

As I said upthread - the goalposts keep moving. No one’s life was ever in danger here, with the exception of George Floyd.

You missed a word: WHITE should be inserted before cop. Then folks really fall all over themselves to justify why the cop killed someone.

The other officers weren’t white, where were they though when this was transpiring? Watching? Will they be called to stand as witnesses?

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

He kneeled on his neck for nearly 10 minutes. If someone closes your airway for 10 minutes, you will die, regardless of your previous health. People like you are hateful and disgusting. You will always find an excuse for a cop - this was murder, plain and simple.

As I said upthread - the goalposts keep moving. No one’s life was ever in danger here, with the exception of George Floyd.

You missed a word: WHITE should be inserted before cop. Then folks really fall all over themselves to justify why the cop killed someone.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t George say ‘He couldn’t get up, he would if he could’, to Mr. McMillian when he told him to just get in the car.
Another sign that he was not a threat.

Floyd must have been a threat at some point though. Why the need to restrain then? No way should Chauvin have attempted or have been expected to do this alone though. Why didn’t any other officer assist?

Because they knew that what Chauvin was doing was indefensible. They weren't going to challenge him in the presence of the crowd but they also weren't going to intervene meaningfully to assist him.

There is a disconnect between the time when Floyd was pulled from or exited the patrol car to when Chauvin placed his knee on Floyd’s neck. All of the officers were involved up to that point.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t George say ‘He couldn’t get up, he would if he could’, to Mr. McMillian when he told him to just get in the car.
Another sign that he was not a threat.

Floyd must have been a threat at some point though. Why the need to restrain then? No way should Chauvin have attempted or have been expected to do this alone though. Why didn’t any other officer assist?

Because they knew that what Chauvin was doing was indefensible. They weren't going to challenge him in the presence of the crowd but they also weren't going to intervene meaningfully to assist him.