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Anonymous wrote:You will lose me! And it isn’t for taxes, I am okay with paying more for high level of amenities, which I believe overall MC has. But the politics HAVE GONE CRAZY. Less than two years. Cannot wait, and almost every one of my likewise neighbors are also hightailing it out of county. It is a complete joke.

DCUM posters: MoCo is awful! Everybody with money is leaving as fast as possible!
Also DCUM posters: I expect top dollar when I sell my property, though.

Anonymous wrote:You will lose me! And it isn’t for taxes, I am okay with paying more for high level of amenities, which I believe overall MC has. But the politics HAVE GONE CRAZY. Less than two years. Cannot wait, and almost every one of my likewise neighbors are also hightailing it out of county. It is a complete joke.

Anonymous wrote:You will lose me! And it isn’t for taxes, I am okay with paying more for high level of amenities, which I believe overall MC has. But the politics HAVE GONE CRAZY. Less than two years. Cannot wait, and almost every one of my likewise neighbors are also hightailing it out of county. It is a complete joke.

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Anonymous wrote:Take note. Top 10% pays close to 70% of ALL income taxes paid. If you lose them, you lose substantial income tax revenues. And MoCo is losing them.

This is absolutely true. There are varying reasons why people are leaving, not the least of which is much of that demographic is older and are retiring to other places. But there are also those who want to leave because the county has lost its mind.

We know many in the top 5% - private sector very big taxpayers leaving, some even school age kids - between taxes and schools closed. (even private schools & sports are more closed than rest of country) Others while kids going to college, still would have worked for 15+ years in private sector And stayed in the county - they are leaving. Some of the very high end houses haven’t increased that much in value, so we know of people who selling without any real gain but like pp said, they have the means to have choices and take losses

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Anonymous wrote:Take note. Top 10% pays close to 70% of ALL income taxes paid. If you lose them, you lose substantial income tax revenues. And MoCo is losing them.

This is absolutely true. There are varying reasons why people are leaving, not the least of which is much of that demographic is older and are retiring to other places. But there are also those who want to leave because the county has lost its mind.

Anonymous wrote:Take note. Top 10% pays close to 70% of ALL income taxes paid. If you lose them, you lose substantial income tax revenues. And MoCo is losing them.

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But you mostly answered a different question, namely, Why does government regulate land use?

Whereas the question I'm hoping people will answer is, Why do people believe that people who live in a particular neighborhood should have regulatory power over land use in that particular neighborhood? They live in the neighborhood, they don't like duplexes, so duplexes should be forbidden????

Because when I buy a house, I buy the neighborhood. Very simple. Direct connection.

You don't, though. You may believe you're buying the neighborhood (or the school) but you're not. You're feeling ownership in something you don't own.

If I buy into a n-hood because I like the n-hood, and if that n-hood changes, then I move out. And, if I am a substantial taxpayer, then I have options, and I move, meaning the County loses tax dollars. The County is already losing taxpayers. As noted elsewhere, top 50% pay 97% of all federal income taxes. In DMV, the County is the least friendly place to live for upper income taxpayers.

If people were doing that in meaningful numbers, then housing prices in Bethesda would be going down. Are housing prices in Bethesda going down?

Also, I'm really not interested in catering to the desires of the rich people who threaten to take their ball and go elsewhere.

When the top 10% pay roughly 2/3rds of all income taxes, you better pay attention, or your taxes will increase. What is happening is that, once the kids are gone, families move for tax reasons, just as their burden on local resources is reduced. County keeps them for the school years, whether the kids go to public or private school. And then loses them. Great business model.

Please, I wish. If Boomers would just sell their homes we might actually be able to buy one.

NP. Not a boomer, gen x here. Hang on two more years and you can buy mine. As soon as the youngest finishes high school,
we are OUT of here ! Sick of the taxes, the mismanagement, and the general decay of my home county.

That's certainly your choice. Unfortunately for me, most people choose to stay, so if you leave you'll get 40 offers on your house.

I can’t wait!

Neither can the county, since they will get more tax revenue. Everybody (some people) wins.

The County can't afford it. A single real estate sale is irrelevant. The people who are leaving are those who have choices, which tend to be the bigger taxpayers. In my tech circle, there are dozens of people I know who have left the area explicitly for tax reasons.

I mean that's fair enough but that has nothing to do with empty nesters leaving after their kids finish school, which they are decidedly not doing.

In fact, those who are wealthy are doing exactly that. If you have nothing more than a house and a govt pension, maybe not. But, if you are successful private sector businessperson, you are leaving for tax reasons.

Again that's fine but nothing to do with what PP is talking about. People that wealthy it doesn't matter whether they have kids or not. They probably send them to private anyway. There is simply not a trend of people staying for the public schools and then leaving. I wish they would.

Anonymous wrote:Not a boomer, but the ageism on this thread is annoying. I'll die and let you have my house when I damn well please.

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But you mostly answered a different question, namely, Why does government regulate land use?

Whereas the question I'm hoping people will answer is, Why do people believe that people who live in a particular neighborhood should have regulatory power over land use in that particular neighborhood? They live in the neighborhood, they don't like duplexes, so duplexes should be forbidden????

Because when I buy a house, I buy the neighborhood. Very simple. Direct connection.

You don't, though. You may believe you're buying the neighborhood (or the school) but you're not. You're feeling ownership in something you don't own.

If I buy into a n-hood because I like the n-hood, and if that n-hood changes, then I move out. And, if I am a substantial taxpayer, then I have options, and I move, meaning the County loses tax dollars. The County is already losing taxpayers. As noted elsewhere, top 50% pay 97% of all federal income taxes. In DMV, the County is the least friendly place to live for upper income taxpayers.

If people were doing that in meaningful numbers, then housing prices in Bethesda would be going down. Are housing prices in Bethesda going down?

Also, I'm really not interested in catering to the desires of the rich people who threaten to take their ball and go elsewhere.

You don't have the power to cater to anybody's real estate desires anyway.

This isn't about people's real estate desires, it's about public policy.

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But you mostly answered a different question, namely, Why does government regulate land use?

Whereas the question I'm hoping people will answer is, Why do people believe that people who live in a particular neighborhood should have regulatory power over land use in that particular neighborhood? They live in the neighborhood, they don't like duplexes, so duplexes should be forbidden????

Because when I buy a house, I buy the neighborhood. Very simple. Direct connection.

You don't, though. You may believe you're buying the neighborhood (or the school) but you're not. You're feeling ownership in something you don't own.

If I buy into a n-hood because I like the n-hood, and if that n-hood changes, then I move out. And, if I am a substantial taxpayer, then I have options, and I move, meaning the County loses tax dollars. The County is already losing taxpayers. As noted elsewhere, top 50% pay 97% of all federal income taxes. In DMV, the County is the least friendly place to live for upper income taxpayers.

If people were doing that in meaningful numbers, then housing prices in Bethesda would be going down. Are housing prices in Bethesda going down?

Also, I'm really not interested in catering to the desires of the rich people who threaten to take their ball and go elsewhere.

When the top 10% pay roughly 2/3rds of all income taxes, you better pay attention, or your taxes will increase. What is happening is that, once the kids are gone, families move for tax reasons, just as their burden on local resources is reduced. County keeps them for the school years, whether the kids go to public or private school. And then loses them. Great business model.

Please, I wish. If Boomers would just sell their homes we might actually be able to buy one.

NP. Not a boomer, gen x here. Hang on two more years and you can buy mine. As soon as the youngest finishes high school,
we are OUT of here ! Sick of the taxes, the mismanagement, and the general decay of my home county.

That's certainly your choice. Unfortunately for me, most people choose to stay, so if you leave you'll get 40 offers on your house.

I can’t wait!

Neither can the county, since they will get more tax revenue. Everybody (some people) wins.

The County can't afford it. A single real estate sale is irrelevant. The people who are leaving are those who have choices, which tend to be the bigger taxpayers. In my tech circle, there are dozens of people I know who have left the area explicitly for tax reasons.

I mean that's fair enough but that has nothing to do with empty nesters leaving after their kids finish school, which they are decidedly not doing.

In fact, those who are wealthy are doing exactly that. If you have nothing more than a house and a govt pension, maybe not. But, if you are successful private sector businessperson, you are leaving for tax reasons.

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But you mostly answered a different question, namely, Why does government regulate land use?

Whereas the question I'm hoping people will answer is, Why do people believe that people who live in a particular neighborhood should have regulatory power over land use in that particular neighborhood? They live in the neighborhood, they don't like duplexes, so duplexes should be forbidden????

Because when I buy a house, I buy the neighborhood. Very simple. Direct connection.

You don't, though. You may believe you're buying the neighborhood (or the school) but you're not. You're feeling ownership in something you don't own.

If I buy into a n-hood because I like the n-hood, and if that n-hood changes, then I move out. And, if I am a substantial taxpayer, then I have options, and I move, meaning the County loses tax dollars. The County is already losing taxpayers. As noted elsewhere, top 50% pay 97% of all federal income taxes. In DMV, the County is the least friendly place to live for upper income taxpayers.

If people were doing that in meaningful numbers, then housing prices in Bethesda would be going down. Are housing prices in Bethesda going down?

Also, I'm really not interested in catering to the desires of the rich people who threaten to take their ball and go elsewhere.

When the top 10% pay roughly 2/3rds of all income taxes, you better pay attention, or your taxes will increase. What is happening is that, once the kids are gone, families move for tax reasons, just as their burden on local resources is reduced. County keeps them for the school years, whether the kids go to public or private school. And then loses them. Great business model.

Please, I wish. If Boomers would just sell their homes we might actually be able to buy one.

NP. Not a boomer, gen x here. Hang on two more years and you can buy mine. As soon as the youngest finishes high school,
we are OUT of here ! Sick of the taxes, the mismanagement, and the general decay of my home county.

That's certainly your choice. Unfortunately for me, most people choose to stay, so if you leave you'll get 40 offers on your house.

I can’t wait!

Neither can the county, since they will get more tax revenue. Everybody (some people) wins.

The County can't afford it. A single real estate sale is irrelevant. The people who are leaving are those who have choices, which tend to be the bigger taxpayers. In my tech circle, there are dozens of people I know who have left the area explicitly for tax reasons.

I mean that's fair enough but that has nothing to do with empty nesters leaving after their kids finish school, which they are decidedly not doing.

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But you mostly answered a different question, namely, Why does government regulate land use?

Whereas the question I'm hoping people will answer is, Why do people believe that people who live in a particular neighborhood should have regulatory power over land use in that particular neighborhood? They live in the neighborhood, they don't like duplexes, so duplexes should be forbidden????

Because when I buy a house, I buy the neighborhood. Very simple. Direct connection.

You don't, though. You may believe you're buying the neighborhood (or the school) but you're not. You're feeling ownership in something you don't own.

If I buy into a n-hood because I like the n-hood, and if that n-hood changes, then I move out. And, if I am a substantial taxpayer, then I have options, and I move, meaning the County loses tax dollars. The County is already losing taxpayers. As noted elsewhere, top 50% pay 97% of all federal income taxes. In DMV, the County is the least friendly place to live for upper income taxpayers.

If people were doing that in meaningful numbers, then housing prices in Bethesda would be going down. Are housing prices in Bethesda going down?

Also, I'm really not interested in catering to the desires of the rich people who threaten to take their ball and go elsewhere.

When the top 10% pay roughly 2/3rds of all income taxes, you better pay attention, or your taxes will increase. What is happening is that, once the kids are gone, families move for tax reasons, just as their burden on local resources is reduced. County keeps them for the school years, whether the kids go to public or private school. And then loses them. Great business model.

Please, I wish. If Boomers would just sell their homes we might actually be able to buy one.

NP. Not a boomer, gen x here. Hang on two more years and you can buy mine. As soon as the youngest finishes high school,
we are OUT of here ! Sick of the taxes, the mismanagement, and the general decay of my home county.

That's certainly your choice. Unfortunately for me, most people choose to stay, so if you leave you'll get 40 offers on your house.

I can’t wait!

Neither can the county, since they will get more tax revenue. Everybody (some people) wins.

The County can't afford it. A single real estate sale is irrelevant. The people who are leaving are those who have choices, which tend to be the bigger taxpayers. In my tech circle, there are dozens of people I know who have left the area explicitly for tax reasons.