Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m hearing that small businesses are worried about surviving. I’m also hearing that people are too. So you have to do both—require living wages, and do more things to even the playing field for small businesses that don’t involve hurting the people that work for them.

And to the PP—it doesn’t matter how many people currently earn minimum wage. You keep harping on that—but the fact that only like 2% of workers are in that category doesn’t help make your case. About 42% of American workers make less than 15 dollars an hour. That’s the relevant consideration. All of those jobs won’t disappear if wages go up. Prices will go up in some cases, some businesses will consolidate, some will break up, some will close, some new businesses will open. It’s a complex picture. But the economy we have can likely bear it. The stock market is skyrocketing even when we have massive unemployment. It tells you everything you need to know.

The stock market is soaring because of the money being pumped into the economy.

Doubling the minimum wage will cause many businesses to automate earlier than planned. Those low-level unskilled jobs won't be there for people who have few skills or are not educated. Small businesses, the heart of our economy will struggle.

With so many small businesses in the U.S., it’s no surprise that small businesses generate the majority of jobs in the United States. According to the Small Business Administration, small companies create 1.5 million jobs annually and account for 64 percent of new jobs created in the U.S. (Fundera, 2019).

https://www.oberlo.com/blog/small-business-statisticshttps://www.oberlo.com/blog/small-business-statisticsv

Those cute little mom and pop and specialty shops lining main street in Anytown, USA - kiss them goodbye. Either they won't be able to afford the increases in labor costs, or they won't be able to sell their goods due to increased prices.

Then, there is the "equity" issue - the new liberal buzzword. A $15/hr min wage is not the same in NY City as in Kansas City. That is why it should be left to states and localities.

You keep talking about how those little mom and pop shops are the biggest job creators. But if paying a living wage is going to crush those businesses, were those quality jobs they were creating? Did those people have healthcare? Were we subsidizing their income with state funded benefits? Are their kids getting access to the quality care and education that will help them do better in life?

If the answer to those questions is no (and you know it is) we don't want businesses that create those types of "jobs." We need healthy, robust, competitive businesses that create QUALITY jobs. Maybe more should be done to make that possible for the true small business, but the answer is not allowi g and encouraging abor exploitation.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m hearing that small businesses are worried about surviving. I’m also hearing that people are too. So you have to do both—require living wages, and do more things to even the playing field for small businesses that don’t involve hurting the people that work for them.

And to the PP—it doesn’t matter how many people currently earn minimum wage. You keep harping on that—but the fact that only like 2% of workers are in that category doesn’t help make your case. About 42% of American workers make less than 15 dollars an hour. That’s the relevant consideration. All of those jobs won’t disappear if wages go up. Prices will go up in some cases, some businesses will consolidate, some will break up, some will close, some new businesses will open. It’s a complex picture. But the economy we have can likely bear it. The stock market is skyrocketing even when we have massive unemployment. It tells you everything you need to know.

The stock market is soaring because of the money being pumped into the economy.

Doubling the minimum wage will cause many businesses to automate earlier than planned. Those low-level unskilled jobs won't be there for people who have few skills or are not educated. Small businesses, the heart of our economy will struggle.

With so many small businesses in the U.S., it’s no surprise that small businesses generate the majority of jobs in the United States. According to the Small Business Administration, small companies create 1.5 million jobs annually and account for 64 percent of new jobs created in the U.S. (Fundera, 2019).

https://www.oberlo.com/blog/small-business-statisticshttps://www.oberlo.com/blog/small-business-statisticsv

Those cute little mom and pop and specialty shops lining main street in Anytown, USA - kiss them goodbye. Either they won't be able to afford the increases in labor costs, or they won't be able to sell their goods due to increased prices.

Then, there is the "equity" issue - the new liberal buzzword. A $15/hr min wage is not the same in NY City as in Kansas City. That is why it should be left to states and localities.

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I'm sorry you find having to pay your employees a living wage so confounding.

Telling that you assume that anyone arguing for the business owner is a business owner.

Far from it. My dad started a business that didn't succeed. He paid his employees when he was not paying himself. He sold the business to someone who had the capital to invest. Because of capital, the business became successful. Took dad years to get back on his feet financially. It was his dream, and it didn't work out for him. But, that is why I know how hard starting a business can be. Spouse and I have only worked for others. I never had any desire to start a business--I know how hard it is to make a buck. You obviously do not.

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Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who has the same knee-jerk reaction every single time we discuss raising the federal minimum wage should not be taken seriously when they make the same exact tires arguments without backing them up with current research. It’s not meant to never change. It has to change as the economy changes. We should be debating how much it goes up and what indicators to tie it to, not whether it needs to go up at all. Because it obviously does. Half of the workforce making under 15 an hour is insane.

Frankly, I don't think the govt. should be setting a minimum wage.
If a person cannot afford to live on a wage offered to him/her, then that person should seek a job elsewhere. If the businesses offering low wages cannot find workers, they will raise their wages.
Of course, this depends on NOT having low wage workers flooding our country from south of our border.
You realize that under Trump, wages rose and this was in large part due to our border enforcement. Sadly, that has now changed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who has the same knee-jerk reaction every single time we discuss raising the federal minimum wage should not be taken seriously when they make the same exact tires arguments without backing them up with current research. It’s not meant to never change. It has to change as the economy changes. We should be debating how much it goes up and what indicators to tie it to, not whether it needs to go up at all. Because it obviously does. Half of the workforce making under 15 an hour is insane.

Frankly, I don't think the govt. should be setting a minimum wage.
If a person cannot afford to live on a wage offered to him/her, then that person should seek a job elsewhere. If the businesses offering low wages cannot find workers, they will raise their wages.
Of course, this depends on NOT having low wage workers flooding our country from south of our border.
You realize that under Trump, wages rose and this was in large part due to our border enforcement. Sadly, that has now changed.

Ah there it is. You realize there are things that make it difficult if not impossible for a worker to seek wages elsewhere right? I mean why pay anyone at all if you can get away with it (and some people do).

Also “Wages have risen” because low wage people are out of work entirely right now, lol. Nice try.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$15 minimum wage will not affect you at all, unless you are a small businessperson.

The .01 cent increase in the size of Big Macs is non-relevant, and you should probably stop eating all those Big Macs anyways.

It won’t effect you. It WILL effect the minimum wage workers at the counter, because their jobs will simply be eliminated, and they will be replaced by automated ordering kiosks.

I guess libs will then tell them “they should learn to code” or “start building solar panels”.

no, that is Ivanka's line.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who has the same knee-jerk reaction every single time we discuss raising the federal minimum wage should not be taken seriously when they make the same exact tires arguments without backing them up with current research. It’s not meant to never change. It has to change as the economy changes. We should be debating how much it goes up and what indicators to tie it to, not whether it needs to go up at all. Because it obviously does. Half of the workforce making under 15 an hour is insane.

Frankly, I don't think the govt. should be setting a minimum wage.
If a person cannot afford to live on a wage offered to him/her, then that person should seek a job elsewhere. If the businesses offering low wages cannot find workers, they will raise their wages.
Of course, this depends on NOT having low wage workers flooding our country from south of our border.
You realize that under Trump, wages rose and this was in large part due to our border enforcement. Sadly, that has now changed.

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who has the same knee-jerk reaction every single time we discuss raising the federal minimum wage should not be taken seriously when they make the same exact tires arguments without backing them up with current research. It’s not meant to never change. It has to change as the economy changes. We should be debating how much it goes up and what indicators to tie it to, not whether it needs to go up at all. Because it obviously does. Half of the workforce making under 15 an hour is insane.

Anonymous wrote:Right now we are subsidizing those companies that only pay $7-8 dollars via the subsidies or safety nets for people living below the poverty line such as food stamps, Medicaid etc. I’d love to have the $15 champions identify what could be saved by the government and tax payers if the minimum wage goes to $15.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m hearing that small businesses are worried about surviving. I’m also hearing that people are too. So you have to do both—require living wages, and do more things to even the playing field for small businesses that don’t involve hurting the people that work for them.

And to the PP—it doesn’t matter how many people currently earn minimum wage. You keep harping on that—but the fact that only like 2% of workers are in that category doesn’t help make your case. About 42% of American workers make less than 15 dollars an hour. That’s the relevant consideration. All of those jobs won’t disappear if wages go up. Prices will go up in some cases, some businesses will consolidate, some will break up, some will close, some new businesses will open. It’s a complex picture. But the economy we have can likely bear it. The stock market is skyrocketing even when we have massive unemployment. It tells you everything you need to know.

The stock market is soaring because of the money being pumped into the economy.

Doubling the minimum wage will cause many businesses to automate earlier than planned. Those low-level unskilled jobs won't be there for people who have few skills or are not educated. Small businesses, the heart of our economy will struggle.

With so many small businesses in the U.S., it’s no surprise that small businesses generate the majority of jobs in the United States. According to the Small Business Administration, small companies create 1.5 million jobs annually and account for 64 percent of new jobs created in the U.S. (Fundera, 2019).

https://www.oberlo.com/blog/small-business-statisticshttps://www.oberlo.com/blog/small-business-statisticsv

Those cute little mom and pop and specialty shops lining main street in Anytown, USA - kiss them goodbye. Either they won't be able to afford the increases in labor costs, or they won't be able to sell their goods due to increased prices.

Then, there is the "equity" issue - the new liberal buzzword. A $15/hr min wage is not the same in NY City as in Kansas City. That is why it should be left to states and localities.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m hearing that small businesses are worried about surviving. I’m also hearing that people are too. So you have to do both—require living wages, and do more things to even the playing field for small businesses that don’t involve hurting the people that work for them.

And to the PP—it doesn’t matter how many people currently earn minimum wage. You keep harping on that—but the fact that only like 2% of workers are in that category doesn’t help make your case. About 42% of American workers make less than 15 dollars an hour. That’s the relevant consideration. All of those jobs won’t disappear if wages go up. Prices will go up in some cases, some businesses will consolidate, some will break up, some will close, some new businesses will open. It’s a complex picture. But the economy we have can likely bear it. The stock market is skyrocketing even when we have massive unemployment. It tells you everything you need to know.

The stock market is soaring because of the money being pumped into the economy.

Doubling the minimum wage will cause many businesses to automate earlier than planned. Those low-level unskilled jobs won't be there for people who have few skills or are not educated. Small businesses, the heart of our economy will struggle.

With so many small businesses in the U.S., it’s no surprise that small businesses generate the majority of jobs in the United States. According to the Small Business Administration, small companies create 1.5 million jobs annually and account for 64 percent of new jobs created in the U.S. (Fundera, 2019).

https://www.oberlo.com/blog/small-business-statisticshttps://www.oberlo.com/blog/small-business-statisticsv

Those cute little mom and pop and specialty shops lining main street in Anytown, USA - kiss them goodbye. Either they won't be able to afford the increases in labor costs, or they won't be able to sell their goods due to increased prices.

Then, there is the "equity" issue - the new liberal buzzword. A $15/hr min wage is not the same in NY City as in Kansas City. That is why it should be left to states and localities.
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Those shops are long gone already man. Walmart killed them . Mom and pops do okay in suburban and urban areas and are already paying higher wages.