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Anonymous wrote:The ONLY way to reopen for full IPL is having the restrictions lifted off of the number of students allowed per in person class. It is currently at 11 for most grade levels (a little less for PreK/K). If the CDC revises this guidance (which I imagine they will with Biden's good pickup of vaccination rollout, including teachers). That would reduce community transmission.

Face masks will still be required, but I think some level of herd immunity could occur by after Labor Day 2021.

But why is herd immunity the bar to cross, when masked kids do not transmit between each other easily, and we'll have most vulnerable adults and teachers vaccinated soon?

Because people demand zero Covid risk.

“People” don’t, though a vocal minority of the WTU appears to.

I think it's actually a pretty widespread sentiment among the population, not just the WTU.

10,000 kids accept the (low) risks of attending school now, and that doesn’t include the ones that didn’t get the opportunity nor the ones who said no to an offer for logistical reasons.

Sure. I am among those who would have accepted an offer if we had gotten one. I would have sent my kids back last fall or even spring if they had opened. I still think there is a substantial part of the US population that is extremely risk averse when it comes to Covid. The level of hysteria is very high. (And no, I don't think Covid is "just the flu". I know what the stats are and the unknowns. But I do think it is not akin to Ebola or Smallpox, and for most people, the risks of getting severely sick or having long-term effects will be very low.)

I don’t believe for one second you would have sent your kids back to school in April or May of last year.

Well, then don't. I never thought school closures were truly justified. Sweden never closed elementary schools, and infections among their kids were lower than in some other countries that did. My extended family in Europe went back before the summer.

You know, there are one way flights to Sweden...

Typical old tired response from Americans who are out of arguments. Guess what, we actually did spend the fall in Sweden, but had to come back due to my husband having to go back to work in person.

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Anonymous wrote:The ONLY way to reopen for full IPL is having the restrictions lifted off of the number of students allowed per in person class. It is currently at 11 for most grade levels (a little less for PreK/K). If the CDC revises this guidance (which I imagine they will with Biden's good pickup of vaccination rollout, including teachers). That would reduce community transmission.

Face masks will still be required, but I think some level of herd immunity could occur by after Labor Day 2021.

But why is herd immunity the bar to cross, when masked kids do not transmit between each other easily, and we'll have most vulnerable adults and teachers vaccinated soon?

Because people demand zero Covid risk.

“People” don’t, though a vocal minority of the WTU appears to.

I think it's actually a pretty widespread sentiment among the population, not just the WTU.

10,000 kids accept the (low) risks of attending school now, and that doesn’t include the ones that didn’t get the opportunity nor the ones who said no to an offer for logistical reasons.

Sure. I am among those who would have accepted an offer if we had gotten one. I would have sent my kids back last fall or even spring if they had opened. I still think there is a substantial part of the US population that is extremely risk averse when it comes to Covid. The level of hysteria is very high. (And no, I don't think Covid is "just the flu". I know what the stats are and the unknowns. But I do think it is not akin to Ebola or Smallpox, and for most people, the risks of getting severely sick or having long-term effects will be very low.)

I don’t believe for one second you would have sent your kids back to school in April or May of last year.

Well, then don't. I never thought school closures were truly justified. Sweden never closed elementary schools, and infections among their kids were lower than in some other countries that did. My extended family in Europe went back before the summer.

You know, there are one way flights to Sweden...

Oh how nice to see a "if you don't like AMERICA you can LEAVE" comment here. Very original.

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Anonymous wrote:What needs to happen for kids to be able to go back to regular capacity classrooms? Is it just teachers being vaccinated? Herd immunity? I’m just wondering if we’ll have to deal with some form of hybrid in the fall at DCPS. I’ve given up on my kids returning IP for this academic year.

What needs to happen is the union needs to be disbanded. How anyone cannot see that the union is the obstacle to in person is beyond me.

I will thank the union for making sure buildings were ready to open. Schools are open- please stop whining.

I know, NW schools have the highest number of students back! LOL but it's not enough for them.

Until you can offer in person learning to every student whose parents want them back, it is not meaningfully opened. Our school has 33 seats for in person for a student population of 486. Less than 7% were allowed to come back for in person leading. It is a joke to say school is open.

The District's State of Emergency expires on March 31st, does it have to be extended again to keep schools closed?

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Anonymous wrote:What needs to happen for kids to be able to go back to regular capacity classrooms? Is it just teachers being vaccinated? Herd immunity? I’m just wondering if we’ll have to deal with some form of hybrid in the fall at DCPS. I’ve given up on my kids returning IP for this academic year.

What needs to happen is the union needs to be disbanded. How anyone cannot see that the union is the obstacle to in person is beyond me.

I will thank the union for making sure buildings were ready to open. Schools are open- please stop whining.

I know, NW schools have the highest number of students back! LOL but it's not enough for them.

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Anonymous wrote:What needs to happen for kids to be able to go back to regular capacity classrooms? Is it just teachers being vaccinated? Herd immunity? I’m just wondering if we’ll have to deal with some form of hybrid in the fall at DCPS. I’ve given up on my kids returning IP for this academic year.

What needs to happen is the union needs to be disbanded. How anyone cannot see that the union is the obstacle to in person is beyond me.

I will thank the union for making sure buildings were ready to open. Schools are open- please stop whining.

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Anonymous wrote:You will not be getting 8:30-3:30pm full in person classes in Aug, unless vaccinations are available to all adults by then and older students.

my kids title 1 is offering exactly that. 8:30-3:30, four days a week. She went today and it was awesome. I guess it just depends on how many teachers came back to each individual school.

That is a lie and parents need to stop spreading this lie.

I'm a DCPS teacher and parent- two different schools. Principals and LSAT had reopening meetings to discuss plans- principals determined how many class to open FIRST and then requested teachers to come back and fill in those predetermined classes. I do not know a single teacher who said no.

Please stop blaming teachers and the union- it's getting really old especially since so many of you lack any context whatsoever.

No it's likely not, the thing is she's taking it out of context. My school is actually also offering this but 4.5 days a week. BUT the class sizes are half of what they used to be, meaning we could not do this for everyone.

August will not be full class sizes 5 full days a week.

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Anonymous wrote:The ONLY way to reopen for full IPL is having the restrictions lifted off of the number of students allowed per in person class. It is currently at 11 for most grade levels (a little less for PreK/K). If the CDC revises this guidance (which I imagine they will with Biden's good pickup of vaccination rollout, including teachers). That would reduce community transmission.

Face masks will still be required, but I think some level of herd immunity could occur by after Labor Day 2021.

But why is herd immunity the bar to cross, when masked kids do not transmit between each other easily, and we'll have most vulnerable adults and teachers vaccinated soon?

Because people demand zero Covid risk.

“People” don’t, though a vocal minority of the WTU appears to.

I think it's actually a pretty widespread sentiment among the population, not just the WTU.

10,000 kids accept the (low) risks of attending school now, and that doesn’t include the ones that didn’t get the opportunity nor the ones who said no to an offer for logistical reasons.

Sure. I am among those who would have accepted an offer if we had gotten one. I would have sent my kids back last fall or even spring if they had opened. I still think there is a substantial part of the US population that is extremely risk averse when it comes to Covid. The level of hysteria is very high. (And no, I don't think Covid is "just the flu". I know what the stats are and the unknowns. But I do think it is not akin to Ebola or Smallpox, and for most people, the risks of getting severely sick or having long-term effects will be very low.)

I don’t believe for one second you would have sent your kids back to school in April or May of last year.

Well, then don't. I never thought school closures were truly justified. Sweden never closed elementary schools, and infections among their kids were lower than in some other countries that did. My extended family in Europe went back before the summer.

You know, there are one way flights to Sweden...

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Anonymous wrote:You will not be getting 8:30-3:30pm full in person classes in Aug, unless vaccinations are available to all adults by then and older students.

my kids title 1 is offering exactly that. 8:30-3:30, four days a week. She went today and it was awesome. I guess it just depends on how many teachers came back to each individual school.

That is a lie and parents need to stop spreading this lie.

I'm a DCPS teacher and parent- two different schools. Principals and LSAT had reopening meetings to discuss plans- principals determined how many class to open FIRST and then requested teachers to come back and fill in those predetermined classes. I do not know a single teacher who said no.

Please stop blaming teachers and the union- it's getting really old especially since so many of you lack any context whatsoever.

Anonymous wrote:Oh hell no. My kids are going to school in person full time (they will wear masks if necessary). Even if we have to go stay with grandparents in another state, I absolutely refuse to do distance learning beyond the end of this year.

They will wear masks IF necessary? What kind of world do you live iN

Again low SES parents and others figured it out but you can't? Pffft.

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this up. What do we think now, based on the released CDC guidelines?

I'm still thinking we aren't doing 5-day-a-week in-person school until like 2023.

Also, I feel really depressed about this and DC is fading into a shadow. But f* parents and kids, amirite?

Maybe 2022, idk about all the way until 2023.

It's not an FU to parents, we had these kids. The primary caregiver is the parent or guardian, not the public school system.

The primary place children ages 5-18 spend their days is in a public school building. The ridiculous denial of the fact that our society functions and women are able to work primarily because of this set up is such a bizarre argument to make. Like, you should have planned ahead that during your children’s primary school years you would suddenly need to try to watch your kids full then during the school day every day while also attempting to perform your job.

This. And the saddest part is, many of the people making these arguments consider themselves liberals and are trying to smear everyone who wants schools to open as right-wing. Isn't that cognitive dissonance just tearing you apart?

Mmmm no. You never cared about low SES parents not being able to be on the PTA, participate in their child's education as much as they'd like, or just can't care because basic needs, and they have 2,3,4 jobs.

You don't suddenly get to claim the 'abandoned card' Low SES parents have been figuring it out forever, your turn.

I didn’t say a thing about low SES. I’m speaking merely of the ludicrous argument that parents are not good parents if they are not able to pivot well and keep their young children who are supposed to be in a public school building like the vast majority of K-12 age students for the last 100+ years home and also perform their own jobs simultaneously. What that is doing is setting women back in the work force decades. Because the data shows it is primarily women who are stepping out and stepping back from the workforce because the public resource that permitted them to be in the workforce had been pulled out from under them for the last school year.

Anonymous wrote:And I will reply if I feel like it, we won't have full IPL until you can sway public opinion.

Sounds like you care.

And I will reply if I feel like it, we won't have full IPL until you can sway public opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Low SES parents want to continue DL the most, they are doing their best but you can't?

Again, do not care. As soon as they feel safe the schools will open.

Just because they want to continue it doesn’t mean their kids are learning. That’s the argument I just don’t get- parents don’t always make decisions that are best for their kids! This is UMC, MC and low income parents. Why do you think there are counselors at schools or CPS? Parents are not always right!

And yet parents can DENY counseling and CPS? Don't make me laugh at that sh*t show....

So yes parents usually make the decisions, just in this case it's not the higher earning parents.