Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities AGREE
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist". DISAGREE, ALL MEN GET ACCUSED OF THIS
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them. AGREE BUT THEY STILL GET ADVANCED SALARY WISE
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities. AGREE, WOMEN ARE EASIER TO LISTEN TO AT TIMES. The men who make it in media have to be soft spoken.
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests. DISAGREE. SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS TAKE CARE OF THEIR SIDE IN OTHER WAYS.

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

While I see your point, and I don't think teachers should be saying those things or wearing those shirts (!), you have to realize that feeling upset at what you correctly called microaggressions feel kind of petty compared to some of the actual and systemic racism and sexism that women and people of color have experienced.

Disagree strongly. Treating 10 year olds of any description as though they are underserving or second class citizens is ENTIRELY wrong.

Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

While I see your point, and I don't think teachers should be saying those things or wearing those shirts (!), you have to realize that feeling upset at what you correctly called microaggressions feel kind of petty compared to some of the actual and systemic racism and sexism that women and people of color have experienced.

Disagree strongly. Treating 10 year olds of any description as though they are underserving or second class citizens is ENTIRELY wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

While I see your point, and I don't think teachers should be saying those things or wearing those shirts (!), you have to realize that feeling upset at what you correctly called microaggressions feel kind of petty compared to some of the actual and systemic racism and sexism that women and people of color have experienced.

Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

Anonymous wrote:As a white male, I'm more than willing to sit down and take my talking to. It's hundreds of years overdue. I mean that.

What I do get upset about is certain behaviors I see in the school system. And it could be as minor as all the teachers getting together to wear "Girls Rule" shirts (one even worse the shirt that "Boys Drool)"

Or when my son was running for a position in the government, and his female classmate won, his teacher cheered and "said oh yay, I was hoping a girl would win."

Keep in mind, that this was after the current crop of school government didnt have any boys in it all.

There are many little micro-examples of boys feeling marginalized in school, and I have many many more, and we're seeing the long term results of that already in education, with fewer boys pursuing higher education

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain). In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist. That's absurd. That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience. If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position. You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician. As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind. My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year. I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits. This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap. I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues. Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days. The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that

Spoken like someone who doesn't work in science. You'd be very, very surprised at how much China is currently sniping talent away from the US. They're offering people sometimes over $1M USD to come and open up labs. Biotech is blowing up in China. But keep sticking your head in the sand. China's GDP will be double the size of the US' by about 2050. Everything is moving east, and it'll only get worse as Eastern economies focus on hiring talent, while the US and the west are stuck on hiring people for identity.

If you love Asia so much, why don't you go back? China is benefiting from the work and educational systems of the US and Western world. They are incapable of innovating. The US certainly needs to stop hiring based on identity, but China will be a problem because it is a cheater (to the tune of $600 billion in stolen IP every year) - which game theory tells us, wins in these situations - not because it has anything of substance to offer the world. Japan, however, IS an innovative country (and culture), hopefully they become the superpower in the East.

You don't know crap. Because westerners are the only people on Earth capable of innovating. China, without question, is now the world leader in quantum telecommunications and is now eclipsing the US and the rest of the west in the artificial intelligence race. China invests in research and development, and hires the best people. No one gets extra points for identity crap. Go read up on how labs are funded in China. The use objective measures to evaluate candidates for funding research. The west is increasingly becoming a has been, and the focus on identity politics will only hasten the downfall because all it does is create tribalism and promotions based on who you sleep with, what you have between your legs, and your race. Whether your western ethnocentric ass likes it or not, this is the reality of what's coming:



People with talent will move east for work, because they'll get jobs for their skills and not for identity's sake.

make the same graph per capita and it looks far different. Who cares though- do you think people in western Europe care that their empires are gone and wish they could go back to bankrupting themselves to maintain dominance or do you think they are enjoying a high quality of life because their countries prioritize their citizens

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Anonymous wrote:Well, it's a movement. I'm not clear that it's "intellectual". I'd be interested to hear what they have to support their rants -- besides their own shared opinions.

- What would they like to see happen to young white boys? There's school, there's sports, there are a whole host of other activities if parents choose to pursue them. While it is true that there are efforts to support some members of minority groups and girls -- these efforts are linked to the under-representation and under-investment in these groups historically.

- Who is calling them / saying these things? Note: If you're Justice Kavanaugh, that's because there are very specific concerns that need to be addressed.

- Let's have some stats on that. (Note, the ones that I know about do not suggest anything close to this. Check the numbers on hiring, firing, and salaries.)

- Which "media" and what do you mean by "taken over"? Again, provide some data. How many head anchors are women and/or minorities? How many women and minorities have their own news shows?

- White men seem to be doing pretty fine as I see it -- particularly if they're Republican. How many Senators have been women and/or members of minority groups in the last 100 years? CEOs of major corporations? In any case, my point is that I don't feel these assertions are supported by data.



tldr: Got any data to support the rant? I'll wait.

This is where you lost me. Why should men who are alive today have to compete with historical statistics? The women and minorities alive now should be given the chance to succeed, as should the white men. No one is "owed" a position based on their historical representation... you weren't alive then to be wronged. Neither should a group be penalized based on their historical representation, as they weren't alive to benefit from that "privilege."

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Anonymous wrote:It's so hilarious.

White males are basically like cartoonish villains at this point. Every white dude is now a nazi, slave owner or a woman oppressor. The media enables the blatant and racist characterization of white dudes. It must make people insane when any white dude shows or feels zero guilt for being a white dude.

I mean we all know we couldn't start equally outrageous threads targeting black males, hispanic males, white women, or any other group without outrage over sexism, racism, or claims that the thread lacks sexuality sensitivity.

I say start with the family. Moms and wives need to give love and support to these males.

What about dads? Do they need to support and nurture their children?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if I could tune in to NPR and just once -- -once -- hear a white male announcer. Usually it is a female with a foreign accent that I can't understand. And the topic is typically how white men are the root of all evil in the world.

These are all male voices, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NPR_personnel. I don't know how many are white, but I am sure some are, and I'm not sure why that is necessary.

I hear a lot from Ira Flatow, Jack Speer, Steve Inskeep, Peter Sagal, Scott Simon, Andy Borowitz, David Brooks, Corey Flintoff, Noah Abrams, Ari Shapiro, and Dave Mattingly -- and they all seem to be white men.

I took out female names from the link. Not nearly half.

Hosts​
David Bianculli, guest host, Fresh Air
Bob Boilen, host, All Songs Considered
Neal Conan, host, Talk of the Nation
Robert Conley (1928-2013), first host of All Things Considered
Dave Davies, guest host, Fresh Air
Scott Detrow, host, NPR Politics
Ira Flatow, host, Science Friday, no longer with NPR since 2013
Bob Garfield, co-host, On the Media
John Hockenberry, host, The Takeaway
Steve Inskeep, co-host, Morning Edition, Washington, D.C.
Bill Littlefield, host, Only A Game
Tom and Ray Magliozzi, former hosts, Car Talk
Michel Martin, weekend host of All Things Considered
Christopher O'Riley, host, From the Top
Guy Raz, host, How I Built This
Peter Sagal, host, Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me"
Robert Siegel, former host, All Things Considered - retired January, 2018
Scott Simon, host, Weekend Edition Saturday

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Joe Bevilacqua, Weekend Edition Saturday, Sunday, Day to Day, Latino USA, All Things Considered
Andy Borowitz, Weekend Edition Sunday
David Brooks, All Things Considered
Alan Cheuse, All Things Considered
Andrei Codrescu, All Things Considered
Ed Cullen,
Frank Deford, Morning Edition - final regular commentary on May 3, 2017. [6]
John Feinstein, Morning Edition
Keith Hammonds, All Things Considered
Miles Hoffman, Morning Edition
Kevin Kling, All Things Considered
Bruce Kluger, All Things Considered
Andrew Kohut, All Things Considered, Morning Edition
Andrew Lam, All Things Considered
Geoffrey Nunberg, Fresh Air
Daniel Pinkwater, All Things Considered, Weekend Edition Saturday
Ron Rapoport, Weekend Edition Saturday
David Sedaris,
David Slavin, All Things Considered
Brian Unger, Day to Day
Andrew Wallenstein, Day to Day

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Larry Abramson, Correspondent, Telecommunications, Science Desk
Jad Abumrad, Correspondent
Noah Adams, Senior Correspondent, National Desk
Greg Allen, Correspondent, National Desk, Kansas City, Missour
Jason Beaubien, Correspondent
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John Burnett, Correspondent, National Desk, Austin, Texas
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Felix Contreras, Reporter/Producer, Arts Information Unit
Adam Davidson, Correspondent, International Business and Economics
Scott Detrow, Congressional Correspondent and NPR Politics Podcast host
Corey Flintoff, Foreign Correspondent, Moscow[7]
David Folkenflik, Correspondent, Media, Arts Information Unit
Rob Gifford, Foreign Correspondent
Tom Gjelten, Correspondent, Religion, National Desk
Tom Goldman, Correspondent, Sports, Portland, Oregon
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Peter Overby, Correspondent, Power, Money and Influence, Washington Desk
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Philip Reeves, Foreign Correspondent, London
Claudio Sanchez, Correspondent, Education, National Desk
David Schaper, Reporter, Chicago Bureau
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Joseph Shapiro, Correspondent, Science Desk
Mike Shuster, Correspondent, Diplomacy, Foreign Desk, Culver City, CA
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Jack Speer, Newscaster
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David Welna, Correspondent, Capitol Hill, Washington Desk
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John Ydstie, Correspondent, Business Desk
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Corey Flintoff, Newscaster
Jim Hawk, Newscaster
Dave Mattingly, Producer/Newscaster
Giles Snyder, Newscaster
Jack Speer, Newscaster
Shay Stevens, Newscaster
Dwane Brown Newscaster
Jim Kane, Newscaster
Windsor Johnston, Newscaster
David Bianculli, TV critic, Fresh Air
David Edelstein, film critic, Fresh Air
Milo Miles, world music critic, Fresh Air
Bob Mondello, film critic, Arts Information Unit
John Powers, pop culture critic, Fresh Air
Lloyd Schwartz, classical music critic, Fresh Air
Ken Tucker, pop music critic, Fresh Air
Kenneth Turan, freelance film critic, Morning Edition
Kevin Whitehead, jazz critic, Fresh Air