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Anonymous wrote:Do Blacks or Latinos perform academically well anywhere? Is there a school system that has figured out how to help those kids that for similar reasons (SES, cultural, etc.), don't do well in school? Is MCPS going to continue spinning its wheels at the expense of high-performing kids that shouldn't be penalized for doing well and needing to progress at a different pace?
We all know that as the curriculum is dumbed down, it will become the new normal and the under achievers will not be better for it.
kids really need to be broken out by level. mixing them together does not work.

There is such an example, but, it's a self selecting group. There is a school out in Watts (Los Angeles area) where all of their students a few years ago, all brown or black students, and many from low income families, were on track to go to college. While the colleges they got into are looked down upon by the elite set, they managed to still get the grades to do so. I think it's a charter school, if I'm not mistaken. I can't find the name of the school. It was a few years ago.

Then there's this:
https://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/schools/all-136-members-of-southland-college-prep-class-of-2020-accepted-by-colleges/#.X9Fi6dhKjb0

But again, it's a self selecting group.

I don't know of any large public schools where this works. Public schools don't get the option to pick and choose who they let in, so you get what you get. I don't think public schools should give up on these kids, but it's certainly a daunting task.

There's the tragedy of this. But also I think a lot good that came out of the school
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/30/us/tm-landry-college-prep-black-students.html

Paywall. What does it say?

BREAUX BRIDGE, La. — Bryson Sassau’s application would inspire any college admissions officer.

A founder of T.M. Landry College Preparatory School described him as a “bright, energetic, compassionate and genuinely well-rounded” student whose alcoholic father had beaten him and his mother and had denied them money for food and shelter. His transcript “speaks for itself,” the founder, Tracey Landry, wrote, but Mr. Sassau should also be lauded for founding a community service program, the Dry House, to help the children of abusive and alcoholic parents. He took four years of honors English, the application said, was a baseball M.V.P. and earned high honors in the “Mathematics Olympiad.”

The narrative earned Mr. Sassau acceptance to St. John’s University in New York. There was one problem: None of it was true.

“I was just a small piece in a whole fathom of lies,” Mr. Sassau said.

T.M. Landry has become a viral Cinderella story, a small school run by Michael Landry, a teacher and former salesman, and his wife, Ms. Landry, a nurse, whose predominantly black, working-class students have escaped the rural South for the nation’s most elite colleges. A video of a 16-year-old student opening his Harvard acceptance letter last year has been viewed more than eight million times. Other Landry students went on to Yale, Brown, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell and Wesleyan.

Landry success stories have been splashed in the past two years on the “Today” show, “Ellen” and the “CBS This Morning.” Education professionals extol T.M. Landry and its 100 or so kindergarten-through-12th-grade students as an example for other Louisiana schools. Wealthy supporters have pushed the Landrys, who have little educational training, to expand to other cities. Small donors, heartened by the web videos, send in a steady stream of cash.

In reality, the school falsified transcripts, made up student accomplishments and mined the worst stereotypes of black America to manufacture up-from-hardship tales that it sold to Ivy League schools hungry for diversity. The Landrys also fostered a culture of fear with physical and emotional abuse, students and teachers said. Students were forced to kneel on rice, rocks and hot pavement, and were choked, yelled at and berated.

The Landrys’ deception has tainted nearly everyone the school has touched, including students, parents and college admissions officers convinced of a myth.

Miami is known for having done a great job with increasing diversity in its gifted program.
https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article84021937.html

They did universal screening but they didn't do the data manipulation MCPS did.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do Blacks or Latinos perform academically well anywhere? Is there a school system that has figured out how to help those kids that for similar reasons (SES, cultural, etc.), don't do well in school? Is MCPS going to continue spinning its wheels at the expense of high-performing kids that shouldn't be penalized for doing well and needing to progress at a different pace?
We all know that as the curriculum is dumbed down, it will become the new normal and the under achievers will not be better for it.
kids really need to be broken out by level. mixing them together does not work.

There is such an example, but, it's a self selecting group. There is a school out in Watts (Los Angeles area) where all of their students a few years ago, all brown or black students, and many from low income families, were on track to go to college. While the colleges they got into are looked down upon by the elite set, they managed to still get the grades to do so. I think it's a charter school, if I'm not mistaken. I can't find the name of the school. It was a few years ago.

Then there's this:
https://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/schools/all-136-members-of-southland-college-prep-class-of-2020-accepted-by-colleges/#.X9Fi6dhKjb0

But again, it's a self selecting group.

I don't know of any large public schools where this works. Public schools don't get the option to pick and choose who they let in, so you get what you get. I don't think public schools should give up on these kids, but it's certainly a daunting task.

There's the tragedy of this. But also I think a lot good that came out of the school
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/30/us/tm-landry-college-prep-black-students.html

Paywall. What does it say?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do Blacks or Latinos perform academically well anywhere? Is there a school system that has figured out how to help those kids that for similar reasons (SES, cultural, etc.), don't do well in school? Is MCPS going to continue spinning its wheels at the expense of high-performing kids that shouldn't be penalized for doing well and needing to progress at a different pace?
We all know that as the curriculum is dumbed down, it will become the new normal and the under achievers will not be better for it.
kids really need to be broken out by level. mixing them together does not work.

There is such an example, but, it's a self selecting group. There is a school out in Watts (Los Angeles area) where all of their students a few years ago, all brown or black students, and many from low income families, were on track to go to college. While the colleges they got into are looked down upon by the elite set, they managed to still get the grades to do so. I think it's a charter school, if I'm not mistaken. I can't find the name of the school. It was a few years ago.

Then there's this:
https://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/schools/all-136-members-of-southland-college-prep-class-of-2020-accepted-by-colleges/#.X9Fi6dhKjb0

But again, it's a self selecting group.

I don't know of any large public schools where this works. Public schools don't get the option to pick and choose who they let in, so you get what you get. I don't think public schools should give up on these kids, but it's certainly a daunting task.

There's the tragedy of this. But also I think a lot good that came out of the school
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/30/us/tm-landry-college-prep-black-students.html

Anonymous wrote:Every minority child no matter what race or income experiences some kind of bias and discrimination so I think it's okay for anyone to participate. But that would mean allowing Asians too.

Only minority children experience bias and discrimination?

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Anonymous wrote:Do Blacks or Latinos perform academically well anywhere? Is there a school system that has figured out how to help those kids that for similar reasons (SES, cultural, etc.), don't do well in school? Is MCPS going to continue spinning its wheels at the expense of high-performing kids that shouldn't be penalized for doing well and needing to progress at a different pace?
We all know that as the curriculum is dumbed down, it will become the new normal and the under achievers will not be better for it.
kids really need to be broken out by level. mixing them together does not work.

You know, if you don't know any doctors or lawyers (for example) who are Black and/or Latino, maybe you should get out more.

This is right. I'm almost 52, grew up in some of the most privileged areas of the US and Europe and I have been aware of Black and Latino doctors /professors/ high level professionals since I was 17 in the late 80s.

Anonymous wrote:Do Blacks or Latinos perform academically well anywhere? Is there a school system that has figured out how to help those kids that for similar reasons (SES, cultural, etc.), don't do well in school? Is MCPS going to continue spinning its wheels at the expense of high-performing kids that shouldn't be penalized for doing well and needing to progress at a different pace?
We all know that as the curriculum is dumbed down, it will become the new normal and the under achievers will not be better for it.
kids really need to be broken out by level. mixing them together does not work.

Good Lord. How do you sleep at night with these thoughts going through your head?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do Blacks or Latinos perform academically well anywhere? Is there a school system that has figured out how to help those kids that for similar reasons (SES, cultural, etc.), don't do well in school? Is MCPS going to continue spinning its wheels at the expense of high-performing kids that shouldn't be penalized for doing well and needing to progress at a different pace?
We all know that as the curriculum is dumbed down, it will become the new normal and the under achievers will not be better for it.
kids really need to be broken out by level. mixing them together does not work.

You know, if you don't know any doctors or lawyers (for example) who are Black and/or Latino, maybe you should get out more.

I think the ^PP meant as a group. At least, I hope that is what ^PP meant.

Anonymous wrote:Do Blacks or Latinos perform academically well anywhere? Is there a school system that has figured out how to help those kids that for similar reasons (SES, cultural, etc.), don't do well in school? Is MCPS going to continue spinning its wheels at the expense of high-performing kids that shouldn't be penalized for doing well and needing to progress at a different pace?
We all know that as the curriculum is dumbed down, it will become the new normal and the under achievers will not be better for it.
kids really need to be broken out by level. mixing them together does not work.

You know, if you don't know any doctors or lawyers (for example) who are Black and/or Latino, maybe you should get out more.

Anonymous wrote:Do Blacks or Latinos perform academically well anywhere? Is there a school system that has figured out how to help those kids that for similar reasons (SES, cultural, etc.), don't do well in school? Is MCPS going to continue spinning its wheels at the expense of high-performing kids that shouldn't be penalized for doing well and needing to progress at a different pace?
We all know that as the curriculum is dumbed down, it will become the new normal and the under achievers will not be better for it.
kids really need to be broken out by level. mixing them together does not work.

There is such an example, but, it's a self selecting group. There is a school out in Watts (Los Angeles area) where all of their students a few years ago, all brown or black students, and many from low income families, were on track to go to college. While the colleges they got into are looked down upon by the elite set, they managed to still get the grades to do so. I think it's a charter school, if I'm not mistaken. I can't find the name of the school. It was a few years ago.

Then there's this:
https://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/schools/all-136-members-of-southland-college-prep-class-of-2020-accepted-by-colleges/#.X9Fi6dhKjb0

But again, it's a self selecting group.

I don't know of any large public schools where this works. Public schools don't get the option to pick and choose who they let in, so you get what you get. I don't think public schools should give up on these kids, but it's certainly a daunting task.