The current team is not the last wc team.

These Andonovski players are getting much bigger. Just wait until Dunn is gone for Sonnett and Short...

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Anonymous wrote:Parents of tall players will point out height advantages. Parents of short players will point out exceptions (Lavelle, etc.)

It all boils down to what college coaches and recruiters value more based upon their teams’ makeup, style of play and needs. So unless anyone of the posters in this thread is a college coach or recruiter, it really doesn’t matter what we think or say. (I am just a parent and not a college coach/recruiter.)

Or you can look at a college rosters and see the size of the players. The short players(5’-4” or shorter) are about 15-20% of the team(80% of shorter players are 5’-3” to 5’-4”). 60-75% of the team is 5’-6 or taller. Why is this even a debate. They start selecting for this at u9.

So the vast majority are within and inch or two of the national average. Not a big advantage.This was said fifty pages back. It was also said that most heights are fabricated by at least an inch....or at a minimum, rounded up. This is fact. The difference between a 6'6 and 6'4 is what? Should we stop looking at 6'4 kids and go for 6'8 kids because they have an advantage over the 6'6 kid? How about we go 7'0 next. Its madness. Either the kid can compete at that level or they can't. Thats what should be evaluated. Its all about winning space.

I read an article once talking about how Messi would have never made it in America. Let that sink in.

It's not sinking in with you. The vast majority? Try again - only 30% are within 2 inches of the average. 8 on the team. The rest are taller. And this list below skips the 3 goalies.

1- 5’1”
1- 5”4”
3- 5’5”
3- 5’6”
7- 5’7”
1- 5’8”
1- 5’9”
1- 5’10”
1- 6’0”

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Anonymous wrote:The lower the level of soccer, the more size is a factor.

USWNT is not low. 2 time World Cup champions.

90% of team is taller than average US height. Once again - 90%.

9 of the 10 US field players that started in the last WC final were 5’7 or shorter. So while it is above average, it is not significantly above average, because the higher the level, the less size is a factor.

If you look at an even higher level of soccer - international men’s soccer - height becomes even less important. The heights of the top 10 most valuable players in the world according to Transfer Market: 5’10, 5’7, 5’9, 5’9, 5’9, 6’2, 5’11, 5’9, 5’11, 6’4.

Anonymous wrote:blah blah blah you people comment as you are savvy either you have a tall kid or your kids competition is a short kid. See what people who know about football have to say —There was a time when football was considered a big man’s game, where physical prowess counted for more than mental and technical capabilities.But recent events in football have rewritten history and tradition, and small, highly-skilled technical players are now at a premium.

Yes the transfer fees for these players show you are right.

Highest transfer value increases in November 2020 (€ Million)
Big-5 league players

https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2020/wp315/en/


Only one is 5’7” all the rest are 5’10” and above with the tallest being Haaland(6’4”). Average height for US man 20 years old in 5’9”.

The top increases in November for the other price ranges considered were measured for Giovanni Reyna (+€34M) for players with an estimated value between €40 and €80M, Florian Wirtz (+€16M) for the €20 to €40M category, Nicólas González (+€7M) for footballers valued between €10M and €20 M and Yunus Musah (+€4.5M) for players whose current transfer value is still below €10M. The updated estimated value ranges for all big-5 league players is available on the CIES Football Observatory

Reyna(6’1”), Wirtz(5’9” but 17 years old), Nicólas González(5’11”) and Musah(6’0”)

Or CIES Football Observatory has conceived a unique approach to rate players on a match-by-match basis by taking into account the pitch production and efficiency at both individual and collective level. Top 12 players one is 5’6”, one is 5’9”. Everyone else is 5’10” or tall. There are more players in the top 12 over 6’ vs players 5’9” or under.

https://football-observatory.com/-rankings-_none

But this thread is about college women soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents of tall players will point out height advantages. Parents of short players will point out exceptions (Lavelle, etc.)

It all boils down to what college coaches and recruiters value more based upon their teams’ makeup, style of play and needs. So unless anyone of the posters in this thread is a college coach or recruiter, it really doesn’t matter what we think or say. (I am just a parent and not a college coach/recruiter.)

Or you can look at a college rosters and see the size of the players. The short players(5’-4” or shorter) are about 15-20% of the team(80% of shorter players are 5’-3” to 5’-4”). 60-75% of the team is 5’-6 or taller. Why is this even a debate. They start selecting for this at u9.

So the vast majority are within and inch or two of the national average. Not a big advantage.This was said fifty pages back. It was also said that most heights are fabricated by at least an inch....or at a minimum, rounded up. This is fact. The difference between a 6'6 and 6'4 is what? Should we stop looking at 6'4 kids and go for 6'8 kids because they have an advantage over the 6'6 kid? How about we go 7'0 next. Its madness. Either the kid can compete at that level or they can't. Thats what should be evaluated. Its all about winning space.

I read an article once talking about how Messi would have never made it in America. Let that sink in.

Anonymous wrote:The lower the level of soccer, the more size is a factor.

USWNT is not low. 2 time World Cup champions.

90% of team is taller than average US height. Once again - 90%.

The lower the level of soccer, the more size is a factor.

Anonymous wrote:Parents of tall players will point out height advantages. Parents of short players will point out exceptions (Lavelle, etc.)

It all boils down to what college coaches and recruiters value more based upon their teams’ makeup, style of play and needs. So unless anyone of the posters in this thread is a college coach or recruiter, it really doesn’t matter what we think or say. (I am just a parent and not a college coach/recruiter.)

Or you can look at a college rosters and see the size of the players. The short players(5’-4” or shorter) are about 15-20% of the team(80% of shorter players are 5’-3” to 5’-4”). 60-75% of the team is 5’-6 or taller. Why is this even a debate. They start selecting for this at u9.

womens nat team small athletes get limited minutes to stay healthy...

rose scored last game...but still got replaced by k mewis 5'7' @ 61' - who also scored. we will see more k mewis in the future

dunn also got subbed out in both last 2 games and is replaced by... short 5'8" or sonnett 5'7"

Anonymous wrote:blah blah blah you people comment as you are savvy either you have a tall kid or your kids competition is a short kid. See what people who know about football have to say —There was a time when football was considered a big man’s game, where physical prowess counted for more than mental and technical capabilities.But recent events in football have rewritten history and tradition, and small, highly-skilled technical players are now at a premium.

No

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Anonymous wrote:The key is how a player stands out compared to the rest. But in order to stand out, you have to be given an opportunity to shine. Unfortunately, sometimes the big/athletic girls gets more opportunities to shine. So unless the smaller girls have such incredible skills and IQ, they are at a disadvantage compared to the bigger players.

The small, fast, skilled, athletic and productive girl will stand out. Again, height is but one of many attributes....especially for a game played on the ground.

Do not kid yourself, size and speed/quickness are very important. Travel soccer, even at the “elite” levels is not as competitive as college or pro soccer. It’s just high school soccer. The small, fast, skilled, athletic and productive girl will not be the same going against bigger, faster, more athletic women in college or the pros.

Rose Lavelle

Rose is average height at 5'4 - not really short. She does have world class vision, timing, soccer IQ and foot skills which leads to creativity that is off the charts.

So yes, you can make it regardless of size if you have world beating skills like a Dunn or Lavelle.

Have you seen any others like them around here? Nobody has or we would be talking about them.

Parents of tall players will point out height advantages. Parents of short players will point out exceptions (Lavelle, etc.)

It all boils down to what college coaches and recruiters value more based upon their teams’ makeup, style of play and needs. So unless anyone of the posters in this thread is a college coach or recruiter, it really doesn’t matter what we think or say. (I am just a parent and not a college coach/recruiter.)

In every sport, from 50 years ago to today, the athletes have only grown in height and weight. Hell, even golfers are bulking up and look like they hit the gym before the links. Soccer in USA lags in every category but is also one of the fastest growing. It's so inevitable that soccer players will also grow in height and weight as more are lured to the beautiful game.

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Anonymous wrote:The key is how a player stands out compared to the rest. But in order to stand out, you have to be given an opportunity to shine. Unfortunately, sometimes the big/athletic girls gets more opportunities to shine. So unless the smaller girls have such incredible skills and IQ, they are at a disadvantage compared to the bigger players.

The small, fast, skilled, athletic and productive girl will stand out. Again, height is but one of many attributes....especially for a game played on the ground.

Do not kid yourself, size and speed/quickness are very important. Travel soccer, even at the “elite” levels is not as competitive as college or pro soccer. It’s just high school soccer. The small, fast, skilled, athletic and productive girl will not be the same going against bigger, faster, more athletic women in college or the pros.

Rose Lavelle

blah blah blah you people comment as you are savvy either you have a tall kid or your kids competition is a short kid. See what people who know about football have to say —There was a time when football was considered a big man’s game, where physical prowess counted for more than mental and technical capabilities.But recent events in football have rewritten history and tradition, and small, highly-skilled technical players are now at a premium.