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Exactly. Because I am in Germany right now and nobody here argues that opening schools is the reason for the uptick. Nor is anyone contemplating closing them again, unless there is a case at a school, in which case individual classes are quarantined. Schools have not been shown to be the source of community outbreaks. Don't you think the people in charge here are looking into that?

But Germany hasn't spent 50 years (or more) building

-places where kids need a school bus to get to school
-school buildings without windows that open (or without windows at all)

Lots of kids get to school by bus in Germany. They are not school buses, but public transportation. Arguably, that poses a greater risk in terms of Covid.

There is always going to be another excuse for why other countries can open schools and we can't. The truth is, other countries place a higher value on education and the rights of kids. I know for a fact that this is the case in Germany and also in Scandinavia.

I think a more interesting statistic would be comparing rates of anxiety and hysteria in US vs other countries. Fear is driving actions in MoCo, rationality has gone out the window.

You've hit the nail on the head. We are in hysterics over this virus. And yes, its deadly. But we've done an incredibly poor job of communicating and understanding the risk.

- On average, Americans believe that people aged 55 and older account for just over half of total COVID-19 deaths; the actual figure is 92%.

- Americans believe that people aged 44 and younger account for about 30% of total deaths; the actual figure is 2.7%.

- Americans overestimate the risk of death from COVID-19 for people aged 24 and younger by a factor of 50; and they think the risk for people aged 65 and older is half of what it actually is (40% vs 80%).

And worse for our liberal area, Te misperception is greater for those who identify as Democrats, and for those who rely more on social media for information.

And now, as the CDC reports that the date is continuing decrease (WaPo reported over the weekend that the death rate was at .65 for everyone; that is skewed by people in the at-risk categories. it will be MUCH lower for people without a comorbidity), we are at the point where we need to re-open EVERYTHING and let people assess the risk for themselves.

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I think a more interesting statistic would be comparing rates of anxiety and hysteria in US vs other countries. Fear is driving actions in MoCo, rationality has gone out the window.

Most of the other large public school districts are also closed, except for the ones in states where the governor ordered them to open. So if fear is driving actions in Montgomery County (which, incidentally, can be entirely rational), then Montgomery County is not unique in that respect.

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Exactly. Because I am in Germany right now and nobody here argues that opening schools is the reason for the uptick. Nor is anyone contemplating closing them again, unless there is a case at a school, in which case individual classes are quarantined. Schools have not been shown to be the source of community outbreaks. Don't you think the people in charge here are looking into that?

But Germany hasn't spent 50 years (or more) building

-places where kids need a school bus to get to school
-school buildings without windows that open (or without windows at all)

Lots of kids get to school by bus in Germany. They are not school buses, but public transportation. Arguably, that poses a greater risk in terms of Covid.

No, it doesn't pose a greater risk.

Also, you are missing the point. For schools to open, MCPS has to figure out how to get kids to school by school bus. That is a huge logistical obstacle that MCPS would not have if kids got to school by walking, biking, or public transportation.

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Exactly. Because I am in Germany right now and nobody here argues that opening schools is the reason for the uptick. Nor is anyone contemplating closing them again, unless there is a case at a school, in which case individual classes are quarantined. Schools have not been shown to be the source of community outbreaks. Don't you think the people in charge here are looking into that?

But Germany hasn't spent 50 years (or more) building

-places where kids need a school bus to get to school
-school buildings without windows that open (or without windows at all)

Lots of kids get to school by bus in Germany. They are not school buses, but public transportation. Arguably, that poses a greater risk in terms of Covid.

There is always going to be another excuse for why other countries can open schools and we can't. The truth is, other countries place a higher value on education and the rights of kids. I know for a fact that this is the case in Germany and also in Scandinavia.

I think a more interesting statistic would be comparing rates of anxiety and hysteria in US vs other countries. Fear is driving actions in MoCo, rationality has gone out the window.

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Exactly. Because I am in Germany right now and nobody here argues that opening schools is the reason for the uptick. Nor is anyone contemplating closing them again, unless there is a case at a school, in which case individual classes are quarantined. Schools have not been shown to be the source of community outbreaks. Don't you think the people in charge here are looking into that?

But Germany hasn't spent 50 years (or more) building

-places where kids need a school bus to get to school
-school buildings without windows that open (or without windows at all)

Lots of kids get to school by bus in Germany. They are not school buses, but public transportation. Arguably, that poses a greater risk in terms of Covid.

There is always going to be another excuse for why other countries can open schools and we can't. The truth is, other countries place a higher value on education and the rights of kids. I know for a fact that this is the case in Germany and also in Scandinavia.

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Exactly. Because I am in Germany right now and nobody here argues that opening schools is the reason for the uptick. Nor is anyone contemplating closing them again, unless there is a case at a school, in which case individual classes are quarantined. Schools have not been shown to be the source of community outbreaks. Don't you think the people in charge here are looking into that?

But Germany hasn't spent 50 years (or more) building

-places where kids need a school bus to get to school
-school buildings without windows that open (or without windows at all)

Lots of kids get to school by bus in Germany. They are not school buses, but public transportation. Arguably, that poses a greater risk in terms of Covid.

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Exactly. Because I am in Germany right now and nobody here argues that opening schools is the reason for the uptick. Nor is anyone contemplating closing them again, unless there is a case at a school, in which case individual classes are quarantined. Schools have not been shown to be the source of community outbreaks. Don't you think the people in charge here are looking into that?

But Germany hasn't spent 50 years (or more) building

-places where kids need a school bus to get to school
-school buildings without windows that open (or without windows at all)

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Anonymous wrote:I'm also in Germany and everyone I know says the opposite. Still I don't think this is comparable to the US where school ventilation has more in common with a cruise ships.

From my business trips to Germany, it seems every building has windows that open - and usually those cool ones that can open both on a hinge at bottom (tilting in a bit to keep rain out) and at the side (to open really wide) depending on what you need. I love those windows!

Yes, those windows are awesome. I've never understood why Americans don't have them.

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Infectious disease expert after infectious disease expert have written pieces on why kids need to be back in school. The only so-called "scientists" arguing for kids to stay home are anonymous dcum posters.

Huh? Infectious disease experts are experts in infectious diseases, not in education or child psychology or even public health.

Precisely. Infectious disease experts are the experts on the dangers from Covid and they recognize that the dangers to children are relatively low. Obviously DL is subpar for the education and psychological well being of children. It is only proper when the dangers from the infectious disease have to outweigh education and psychological well being. If any group would argue in favor of keeping schools closed, it would be the infectious disease experts, not those primarily concerned about children's education or psychological health.

Here's the 6,453,897th post on this forum since June stating that children live in families and communities with people whose risks are higher.

And that's why their rights to a proper education and socialization should be completely disregarded? Even though data keeps mounting that shows that kids and schools are not superspreaders, i.e. not drivers of community spread? And even though the harmful effects of closed schools have been widely documented? We have an ethical decision to make, and most countries have come to the conclusion that kids have rights, too, and schools need to open despite the pandemic.

Here is a new article that looks at the actual evidence:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/

Totally agree! A lot of elderly people will die but that's okay because daycare is an American right! MAGA

You have absolutely zero evidence that opening schools will cause a lot of elderly people to die. All evidence points to schools NOT causing increased community spread.

Oh, and stop politicizing this. It's the Trumpian way to make evidence-free claims and ignore data that don't fit your narrative, so MAGA right back at you.

The evidence suggests that opening schools is responsible for up tick in a community spread in Europe, but why let facts and safety get in the way of one's day care.

No, it doesn't. What's your source? Because that is not at all what is being said by the experts over here. I am in Europe right now following the situation closely, as my kid is in school here. YOU are the one who doesn't want to have facts get in the way of their argument. Unlike you, people over here also understand that this isn't primarily about daycare (although nobody here thinks that school doesn't need to provide that as well at the elementary level). They know closing schools harms lots of kids.

I love these crazy posts insisting that everything is fine. These so called experts have said the virus isn't air-borne and that masks didn't help. The bottom line is the current administration is so bent on reopening that they're censoring the scientists so the only information that gets out supports their agenda regardless of the facts.

Wait -- the Trump administration is censoring scientists in Europe? Wow, you are some tinfoil hat. I guess there are crazies like that on both sides.

I read the same thing. Really fascinating how asymptomatic spread is having this effect. Things were going gray there until the schools reopened.

So then link what you read. That’s pretty standard practice.

Exactly. Because I am in Germany right now and nobody here argues that opening schools is the reason for the uptick. Nor is anyone contemplating closing them again, unless there is a case at a school, in which case individual classes are quarantined. Schools have not been shown to be the source of community outbreaks. Don't you think the people in charge here are looking into that?

I'm also in Germany and everyone I know says the opposite. Still I don't think this is comparable to the US where school ventilation has more in common with a cruise ships.

Well, there are uninformed people everywhere. I am talking about what the people in charge and the experts who advise them are saying.

And regarding ventilation - most schools in Germany don't have HVAC at all, when people here seem to think that without fancy air filtration systems, schools cannot reopen. Schools do have windows though. I believe windowless classrooms and offices are illegal in Germany.

Anonymous wrote:I'm also in Germany and everyone I know says the opposite. Still I don't think this is comparable to the US where school ventilation has more in common with a cruise ships.

From my business trips to Germany, it seems every building has windows that open - and usually those cool ones that can open both on a hinge at bottom (tilting in a bit to keep rain out) and at the side (to open really wide) depending on what you need. I love those windows!

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Infectious disease expert after infectious disease expert have written pieces on why kids need to be back in school. The only so-called "scientists" arguing for kids to stay home are anonymous dcum posters.

Huh? Infectious disease experts are experts in infectious diseases, not in education or child psychology or even public health.

Precisely. Infectious disease experts are the experts on the dangers from Covid and they recognize that the dangers to children are relatively low. Obviously DL is subpar for the education and psychological well being of children. It is only proper when the dangers from the infectious disease have to outweigh education and psychological well being. If any group would argue in favor of keeping schools closed, it would be the infectious disease experts, not those primarily concerned about children's education or psychological health.

Here's the 6,453,897th post on this forum since June stating that children live in families and communities with people whose risks are higher.

And that's why their rights to a proper education and socialization should be completely disregarded? Even though data keeps mounting that shows that kids and schools are not superspreaders, i.e. not drivers of community spread? And even though the harmful effects of closed schools have been widely documented? We have an ethical decision to make, and most countries have come to the conclusion that kids have rights, too, and schools need to open despite the pandemic.

Here is a new article that looks at the actual evidence:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/

Totally agree! A lot of elderly people will die but that's okay because daycare is an American right! MAGA

You have absolutely zero evidence that opening schools will cause a lot of elderly people to die. All evidence points to schools NOT causing increased community spread.

Oh, and stop politicizing this. It's the Trumpian way to make evidence-free claims and ignore data that don't fit your narrative, so MAGA right back at you.

The evidence suggests that opening schools is responsible for up tick in a community spread in Europe, but why let facts and safety get in the way of one's day care.

No, it doesn't. What's your source? Because that is not at all what is being said by the experts over here. I am in Europe right now following the situation closely, as my kid is in school here. YOU are the one who doesn't want to have facts get in the way of their argument. Unlike you, people over here also understand that this isn't primarily about daycare (although nobody here thinks that school doesn't need to provide that as well at the elementary level). They know closing schools harms lots of kids.

I love these crazy posts insisting that everything is fine. These so called experts have said the virus isn't air-borne and that masks didn't help. The bottom line is the current administration is so bent on reopening that they're censoring the scientists so the only information that gets out supports their agenda regardless of the facts.

Wait -- the Trump administration is censoring scientists in Europe? Wow, you are some tinfoil hat. I guess there are crazies like that on both sides.

I read the same thing. Really fascinating how asymptomatic spread is having this effect. Things were going gray there until the schools reopened.

So then link what you read. That’s pretty standard practice.

Exactly. Because I am in Germany right now and nobody here argues that opening schools is the reason for the uptick. Nor is anyone contemplating closing them again, unless there is a case at a school, in which case individual classes are quarantined. Schools have not been shown to be the source of community outbreaks. Don't you think the people in charge here are looking into that?

I'm also in Germany and everyone I know says the opposite. Still I don't think this is comparable to the US where school ventilation has more in common with a cruise ships.

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Infectious disease expert after infectious disease expert have written pieces on why kids need to be back in school. The only so-called "scientists" arguing for kids to stay home are anonymous dcum posters.

Huh? Infectious disease experts are experts in infectious diseases, not in education or child psychology or even public health.

Precisely. Infectious disease experts are the experts on the dangers from Covid and they recognize that the dangers to children are relatively low. Obviously DL is subpar for the education and psychological well being of children. It is only proper when the dangers from the infectious disease have to outweigh education and psychological well being. If any group would argue in favor of keeping schools closed, it would be the infectious disease experts, not those primarily concerned about children's education or psychological health.

Here's the 6,453,897th post on this forum since June stating that children live in families and communities with people whose risks are higher.

And that's why their rights to a proper education and socialization should be completely disregarded? Even though data keeps mounting that shows that kids and schools are not superspreaders, i.e. not drivers of community spread? And even though the harmful effects of closed schools have been widely documented? We have an ethical decision to make, and most countries have come to the conclusion that kids have rights, too, and schools need to open despite the pandemic.

Here is a new article that looks at the actual evidence:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/

Totally agree! A lot of elderly people will die but that's okay because daycare is an American right! MAGA

You have absolutely zero evidence that opening schools will cause a lot of elderly people to die. All evidence points to schools NOT causing increased community spread.

Oh, and stop politicizing this. It's the Trumpian way to make evidence-free claims and ignore data that don't fit your narrative, so MAGA right back at you.

The evidence suggests that opening schools is responsible for up tick in a community spread in Europe, but why let facts and safety get in the way of one's day care.

Florida has been back for 6 weeks and their cases continue to go down.

You can't make that assertion since Destantis keeps the data secret and the data he had published got people fired when he pressured them to falsify it.

So where are they hiding the bodies? Refrigerator trucks? Are makeshift ICUs popping up?

They aren't. There are over 1000 deaths a day now. Are you high or something?

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Infectious disease expert after infectious disease expert have written pieces on why kids need to be back in school. The only so-called "scientists" arguing for kids to stay home are anonymous dcum posters.

Huh? Infectious disease experts are experts in infectious diseases, not in education or child psychology or even public health.

Precisely. Infectious disease experts are the experts on the dangers from Covid and they recognize that the dangers to children are relatively low. Obviously DL is subpar for the education and psychological well being of children. It is only proper when the dangers from the infectious disease have to outweigh education and psychological well being. If any group would argue in favor of keeping schools closed, it would be the infectious disease experts, not those primarily concerned about children's education or psychological health.

Here's the 6,453,897th post on this forum since June stating that children live in families and communities with people whose risks are higher.

And that's why their rights to a proper education and socialization should be completely disregarded? Even though data keeps mounting that shows that kids and schools are not superspreaders, i.e. not drivers of community spread? And even though the harmful effects of closed schools have been widely documented? We have an ethical decision to make, and most countries have come to the conclusion that kids have rights, too, and schools need to open despite the pandemic.

Here is a new article that looks at the actual evidence:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/

Totally agree! A lot of elderly people will die but that's okay because daycare is an American right! MAGA

You have absolutely zero evidence that opening schools will cause a lot of elderly people to die. All evidence points to schools NOT causing increased community spread.

Oh, and stop politicizing this. It's the Trumpian way to make evidence-free claims and ignore data that don't fit your narrative, so MAGA right back at you.

The evidence suggests that opening schools is responsible for up tick in a community spread in Europe, but why let facts and safety get in the way of one's day care.

No, it doesn't. What's your source? Because that is not at all what is being said by the experts over here. I am in Europe right now following the situation closely, as my kid is in school here. YOU are the one who doesn't want to have facts get in the way of their argument. Unlike you, people over here also understand that this isn't primarily about daycare (although nobody here thinks that school doesn't need to provide that as well at the elementary level). They know closing schools harms lots of kids.

I love these crazy posts insisting that everything is fine. These so called experts have said the virus isn't air-borne and that masks didn't help. The bottom line is the current administration is so bent on reopening that they're censoring the scientists so the only information that gets out supports their agenda regardless of the facts.

Wait -- the Trump administration is censoring scientists in Europe? Wow, you are some tinfoil hat. I guess there are crazies like that on both sides.

I read the same thing. Really fascinating how asymptomatic spread is having this effect. Things were going gray there until the schools reopened.

So then link what you read. That’s pretty standard practice.

Exactly. Because I am in Germany right now and nobody here argues that opening schools is the reason for the uptick. Nor is anyone contemplating closing them again, unless there is a case at a school, in which case individual classes are quarantined. Schools have not been shown to be the source of community outbreaks. Don't you think the people in charge here are looking into that?

Anonymous wrote:Interesting story in the Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/10/fluctuations-covid-19-numbers-could-have-lot-do-with-weather/

Perhaps some undulation is inevitable: as caseloads rise, people get cautious, and as they fall, people take more risks, causing caseloads to rise again. But another possibility is that the undulation might not just be about policy, or even personal attitudes, but something as simple, and uncontrollable, as the weather.

Obviously, that echoes Trump’s famous speculation that the virus would “just disappear” over the summer. Just as obviously, it didn’t. But Trump’s theory may not have been wrong so much as insufficiently refined. After all, it was based on a real observation: back in March, colder places were having more outbreaks than warmer ones. In the United States, however, that relationship broke down this summer.

But don’t focus on the temperature; focus on how humans react to it. Because one thing we have learned in seven months is that most spread seems to take place over long exposures in enclosed spaces. So the right question may not be “how cold is it?” but “is this the kind of weather that drives gatherings indoors?”

I’ve been saying this all along- summer is not really a time to be outside in the south- they’re inside with the AC blasting. The northerners were outside. Now it will slowly be flip flopping .

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Infectious disease expert after infectious disease expert have written pieces on why kids need to be back in school. The only so-called "scientists" arguing for kids to stay home are anonymous dcum posters.

Huh? Infectious disease experts are experts in infectious diseases, not in education or child psychology or even public health.

Precisely. Infectious disease experts are the experts on the dangers from Covid and they recognize that the dangers to children are relatively low. Obviously DL is subpar for the education and psychological well being of children. It is only proper when the dangers from the infectious disease have to outweigh education and psychological well being. If any group would argue in favor of keeping schools closed, it would be the infectious disease experts, not those primarily concerned about children's education or psychological health.

Here's the 6,453,897th post on this forum since June stating that children live in families and communities with people whose risks are higher.

And that's why their rights to a proper education and socialization should be completely disregarded? Even though data keeps mounting that shows that kids and schools are not superspreaders, i.e. not drivers of community spread? And even though the harmful effects of closed schools have been widely documented? We have an ethical decision to make, and most countries have come to the conclusion that kids have rights, too, and schools need to open despite the pandemic.

Here is a new article that looks at the actual evidence:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/

Totally agree! A lot of elderly people will die but that's okay because daycare is an American right! MAGA

You have absolutely zero evidence that opening schools will cause a lot of elderly people to die. All evidence points to schools NOT causing increased community spread.

Oh, and stop politicizing this. It's the Trumpian way to make evidence-free claims and ignore data that don't fit your narrative, so MAGA right back at you.

The evidence suggests that opening schools is responsible for up tick in a community spread in Europe, but why let facts and safety get in the way of one's day care.

Florida has been back for 6 weeks and their cases continue to go down.

You can't make that assertion since Destantis keeps the data secret and the data he had published got people fired when he pressured them to falsify it.

So where are they hiding the bodies? Refrigerator trucks? Are makeshift ICUs popping up?