Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:46     Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

Genuinely asking, why is "All Lives Matter" such a negative term? It seems accurate and inclusive of all groups and races.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:45     Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

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Anonymous wrote:Please help me understand how breaking windows and stealing everything from CVS and Target or setting fires to locally owned businesses has anything to do with this?


Well. I think it reveals the true character of some black people and diminishes support for BLM.


What do the actions of a few people have to do with BLM?

BLM*

*only if certain criteria is met.

Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:40     Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Please help me understand how breaking windows and stealing everything from CVS and Target or setting fires to locally owned businesses has anything to do with this?


Well. I think it reveals the true character of some black people and diminishes support for BLM.


What about the White people who were looting?


It is called shipping
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:31     Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

Anonymous wrote:The BLM name is now associated with riots, vandalism, and looting. To get real support, it needs to rebrand.


It has real support. Or do you think only YOUR support means something?
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:30     Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Please help me understand how breaking windows and stealing everything from CVS and Target or setting fires to locally owned businesses has anything to do with this?


Well. I think it reveals the true character of some black people and diminishes support for BLM.


What about the White people who were looting?
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:29     Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

I have no problem. With the phrase Black Lives Matter, I have more discomfort with the underlying message that the reason black men are killed more often by cops is due to racism by the police. The sad fact is that black males are disproportionately more likely to be in environments with high levels of crime and that is why they end up in situations where they are disproportionately killed by police.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:25     Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

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Anonymous wrote:I know what it feels like. I am a white person who was bussed in the 60s to a black elementary school. I was bullied and threatened constantly because I was white.


You are a tone deaf boomer to think it is appropriate to post this at this time.


And this is exactly why the name needs to be changed to be accepted by all. Because racism doesn't only exist one way.


Racism is about power. Black people can be prejudiced against white people but they lack the power to systemically subjugate white people the way White people have to them. You as a white person have never experienced racism. Prejudice, possibly. Systemic racism based on your color? Impossible.



Tomato, tomatoh. Most people don’t separate the two. If a poor Hispanic person said “ I don’t like black people” everyone would take the comment as racist. It wouldn’t matter that he did not have the power to systematically subjugate white people.


I mean systematically subjugate black people.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:25     Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I know what it feels like. I am a white person who was bussed in the 60s to a black elementary school. I was bullied and threatened constantly because I was white.


You are a tone deaf boomer to think it is appropriate to post this at this time.


And this is exactly why the name needs to be changed to be accepted by all. Because racism doesn't only exist one way.


Racism is about power. Black people can be prejudiced against white people but they lack the power to systemically subjugate white people the way White people have to them. You as a white person have never experienced racism. Prejudice, possibly. Systemic racism based on your color? Impossible.



Tomato, tomatoh. Most people don’t separate the two. If a poor Hispanic person said “ I don’t like black people” everyone would take the comment as racist. It wouldn’t matter that he did not have the power to systematically subjugate white people.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:21     Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

Anonymous wrote:Please help me understand how breaking windows and stealing everything from CVS and Target or setting fires to locally owned businesses has anything to do with this?


People are incredibly angry at the status quo. Why should people be obligated to uphold a system of laws that has completely failed to protect them in so many ways? Also, much of the so-called “looting” has been for necessities. The fact that people need to resort to that for essential items is gross.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:21     Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Please help me understand how breaking windows and stealing everything from CVS and Target or setting fires to locally owned businesses has anything to do with this?


Well. I think it reveals the true character of some black people and diminishes support for BLM.

Whatever.
The name isn't getting changed.
If you don't like it...tough.




Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:20     Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

Anonymous wrote:Please hold while I connect you to the marketing department....


Haha. Good one.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:13     Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

Anonymous wrote:Please help me understand how breaking windows and stealing everything from CVS and Target or setting fires to locally owned businesses has anything to do with this?


Well. I think it reveals the true character of some black people and diminishes support for BLM.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:11     Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

Please help me understand how breaking windows and stealing everything from CVS and Target or setting fires to locally owned businesses has anything to do with this?
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:09     Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

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This thread could be a great opportunity to bring new people into the movement. But it seems like a lot of people just prefer to call other people racist instead of trying to explain the movement to someone asking questions.


Facebook and other social media are full of great explanations, but the fact is that someone who won’t participate because they dislike the name is not going to do the hard work of anti-racism no matter what the movement is called.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2020 08:06     Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

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Anonymous wrote:As a couple of PPs have already articulated well, black lives matter does not mean that all races do not matter. Nowhere in the movement's title does it say "only" black lives matter. Nowhere. Since this country's founding, black people have suffered discrimination and oppression, both at the individual and, most importantly and enduringly, systemic level. Just about every institution that this country holds dear - the police, schooling, higher education, government - upholds the legacy of racism through its discriminatory systems. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Black lives matter does not mean that your non-black life does not matter (and really, it's not about you and is somewhat insensitive to make it about yourself). It means that at every level of our society, black lives are devalued. It is a cry for equality.

Furthermore, I think it is important to address the notion of white privilege, which can be tricky for some people to understand. This is a concept that takes a good deal of introspection. White privilege does not mean that your life isn't hard, or that you don't face other forms of systemic oppression (being a woman, being poor, being gay, being Jewish). BUT, it means that your race does not make your life harder and that there are certain privileges that come from being white. You are more likely to be hired for a job. You are more likely to be believed by doctors. You are more likely to receive a loan. You are more likely to see people who look like you on TV and in movies. You are more likely to be accepted to college (despite what you might say about affirmative action, which works to narrow a preexisting gap, this is absolutely true, and I don't want to hear anyone try to say that being a URM gives you an advantage in college admissions processes; that statement is ill-informed and frankly racist). And, as is particularly relevant now, you are less likely to be arrested, incarcerated, or killed by the police. Please do not try to say that white people commit fewer crimes. White people commit the same "crimes" for which black people are most routinely arrested and imprisoned, such as marijuana possession. In the eyes of the law, white people are simply given the benefit of the doubt. So, here comes what is perhaps the hardest pill to swallow: all white people are racist. This does not mean that you are some sort of Klan-like figure who hates every black person he sees (although these people still exist). It means that you actively benefit from the systemic oppression of black people. And it is our responsibility as non-black people, and particularly white people, to confront our privilege and do something about it.

So, what can we do? We can educate ourselves - books such as White Fragility, The Fire Next Time, and How to be an Anti-Racist are all good starting places. Listen to black organizers in your community (of which there are countless many in DC) and figure out how best to support them. Engage online and offline. One of the best and most meaningful things you can do is give money; a quick Google search will direct you to bail funds, community outreach programs, and more. Talk to your family members and kids about race. Write your representatives. Go campaign - it is an election year, after all. Sign petitions. Make better hiring choices. Don't call the police because you feel "threatened" by someone who is just minding their own business. Listen to and believe black voices. Read up on your American history, and look at how black perspectives have historically been ignored. Examine some of our cultural imaginaries, such as the idea that the Boston Tea Party was a Patriotic Act of Revolution, but these riots are "thuggish." (Hint: the Boston Tea Party resulted in lots of property loss and was hardly popular with the British and bystanding colonists alike. How do we remember them now?). And please don't invoke MLK's name when trying to criticize these uprisings. As he himself said, "rioting is the language of the unheard." That double standard is precisely why we need to encourage the notion that black lives matter. Because black people are criminalized, criticized, and subjugated as the result of this country's racist history. And why does property damage upset you more than the murder of innocent people?[b] Think deeply about that.

If you're on this thread, you probably have the privilege to do something. Instead of thinking about how much the rioting upsets you, think about what you can do to address the underlying causes. These riots don't happen in a vacuum - they are because black people have been crying out (peacefully often) for people to help them, and still yet they are derided and their oppression continues. This is why they say "black lives matter" and not all lives - because "all" lives do not face the discrimination they do.

Please, I urge you, try to understand what it means for black lives to matter, and what you can do to make it so.

Black lives matter, and too few people know and show it.


TL;DR: Black lives matter doesn't mean that white lives don't. It just means that white lives don't ever face the same oppression that black ones do. And it white people's responsibility to stop that.


+1

But instead if stating it as their responsibility to change it, more like white people Acknowledge their privilege.


Yeah, why don’t you ask some unemployed coal minor to check his white privilege?


And why don't you read Hillbilly Elegy -- and note how quickly the white guy's prospects improved once he got the right girlfriend, networked a little bit, and worked on his table manners. That kind of transformation is a privilege that is pretty much reserved for white people.


Yeah because deprived trailer park to Yale Law is so common. Which is why Yale Law is just filled with dudes from trailers every year. He's totally a representative sample, great logical reasoning here.


No one questions the abilities of whites who make it out of poverty. However, no matter your SES, if you are AA and make it in a white collar profession, please assume you were a diversity hire who is not quite as competent as the white applicants.