Anonymous
05/25/2020 10:08
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just look at the lawsuits against College Board over the AP exams:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/students-wanted-ap-tests-the-tests-they-took-werent-perfect-now-theyre-suing-the-college-board/2020/05/24/668f511c-9c37-11ea-ac72-3841fcc9b35f_story.html
Any good deed by anyone in education will be punished if parents don’t like the outcome. Open schools so they can keep their bosses happy and parents will sue as soon as something about that no longer makes them happy.
OK, and so College Board responded by...?
Anybody can sue anybody over anything. That doesn't mean that Maryland is going to keep schools closed for fear that someone will sue. For that matter, someone will also sue if Maryland does keep schools closed.
Exactly. Plus it is a lot harder to be successful against a government entity (a public school district) vs a private entity.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 10:05
Subject: Re:The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry folks, I love it this way. Some effort but a full paycheck. Knowing MCPS I'm 100% sure they won't open for a long time.
You're a teacher apparently? I have two friends who teach elementary and they've both said they enjoy working from home. Now that they figured out how to use Zoom, they're settled in and don't want to go back.
If I were a teacher I would be embarrassed to admit to this, even anonymously online. My son is in elementary school. His work is so minimal. His math homework is usually one question. ONE QUESTION to turn in. He has learned zero in the last 2 months from his distance learning. Im doing my best to teach him what I can.
I have already started using outside programs which are set up in a better format for learning than our schools.
This has been a complete waste of 2 months and the fact that you love "teaching" without such a large percentage of students actually learning is scary. It doesn't matter what MCPS numbers say, even if 70% of students are logging on doesn't mean they're actually learning something.
MCPS distance learning is like taking an open book test-- and we all know how well people learn from those.
Sorry I call BS on this post. I'm an elementary school teacher who can be a bit of a smart ass cynic at times but I don't know of a single teacher in my school who doesn't wish we were all back in the building with our kids. Like it or not, there is an art to teaching that can't really be replicated online. At first I was bothered when my kids would join our Zoom classes having not watched the videos but two months in and I can barely bring myself to watch them either. They're boring AF and aren't at all what a real lesson would be like for our students. I can't even begin to think about what it's going to be like in the fall knowing it would be impossible to have us all back while adhering to the current CDC guidelines. I will say that the real MVPs are you parents. You all are rockstars trying to balance working your regular jobs, managing kids at home and still trying to support your kids education. We really appreciate it and know it's not easy for anyone involved.
You can call BS if you want. Teachers run the gamut. Some are rockstars, some are not.
It’s not BS. I posted earlier about a nieghbor who is an MCPS teacher who admitted she likes working from home, especially as it’s the first time she’d been able to do it in her career as a teacher. She likes having no commute and indicated she’s got more time to herself. She’s in no rush to go back to school.
I get it, but at the same time fear this nieghbor exemplifies many who are motivated to fear monger as a way to keep their work from home up.
At the very least, this is not BS.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 10:01
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait until a single kid gets Kawasaki's disease related to COVID they contracted at school and there is a death. The outrage will be insane.
You might be right, if a kid dies. If a teacher dies? Oh well, that’s just part of your job. You chose the profession. Now, get your lazy ass back into the classroom and teach my child! If you die, MCPS can just get somebody else...and probably cheaper. It’s a win-win for me! My taxes won’t go up and my kid will be out of my hair.
Teachers...get...no...respect.
Do doctors get respect? What about grocery store workers? This argument is so tired. All the teachers I know want to get back in the classroom because they love their jobs. If you don’t want to teach, don’t. Stop bringing everyone down with you.
You miss the point. I am a teacher and I desperately want to get back with my students. I zoom with them daily for about an hour and have optional “check in” zooms every afternoon. I am working with some awesome parents who think of school as a partnership...and with some who are completely overwhelmed just trying to put food on the table...and some who have checked out because, despite access to technology and time, they have just given up because it is “too hard.” I want to go back...but I am very concerned that protocols and adequate funding for the myriad things we will need to stay safer (not completely safe) will not be followed or available. I don’t want to be put in the same position as the VERY brave hospital workers and others who had to improvise and scramble for basic protections. In regular times, schools are known to be vectors for spreading diseases. One HUGE unanswered question is whether kids can easily pass on the virus. There is not enough info yet to determine that. If they prove to be poor carriers, we can all breathe more easily. If they do turn out to be “good” carriers, not only are they endangering their classmates and school staff, they are endangering their own families. Those who advocate spreading the virus to foster herd immunity are simply saying a certain number of people will have to die in order to “beat” this. They have a point. But, the initial estimate, which the president likes to cite, predicted 2 million dead if we did NOTHING to halt the spread. We are approaching 100,000. How many are too many?
I think you need to stay home. Honestly. You sound like a great teacher and thank you for caring for the kids. But this virus is not killing kids (no Kawasaki is not corona, stop the hysteria) or younger/middle aged adults who make up the teacher pool. Kids need school, academic structure and socialization and parents with jobs like they need air. I have a 10 year who has developed extreme depression over being yanked from school and the social isolation. Friends tell me their kids are also becoming mentally and emotionally sick. Kids count too. I am sick of everyone’s focus on older adults. Unless you have pre existing conditions or are over age 65, your odds of surviving this virus are excellent. Time to start finding a way to put our future generations first and for the older generations to shelter in place until they are sick if it.
There will never be a vaccine. All of the current candidates are slowly failing one by one. Put the kids back in school. They are not sacrificial lambs.
+1
+2
My kids are actively participating in the bare minimum that MCPS is offering right now, including all the specials (which are also bare minimum). In addition DH are reinforcing school lessons with activities (e.g., using fractions to make a recipe) or growing veggies or going on hikes), and still our kids are losing academic skills they had even two months ago. They are lonely and isolated and anxious - never an issue before.
I think my kids have it pretty good right now - two parents who are able to invest time and some because of our flexible schedules. We are very lucky and still our kids are regressing.
I can only imagine how this period has deeply affected kids whose parents don’t have the luxury of flexibility to invest the additional time.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 09:50
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait until a single kid gets Kawasaki's disease related to COVID they contracted at school and there is a death. The outrage will be insane.
You might be right, if a kid dies. If a teacher dies? Oh well, that’s just part of your job. You chose the profession. Now, get your lazy ass back into the classroom and teach my child! If you die, MCPS can just get somebody else...and probably cheaper. It’s a win-win for me! My taxes won’t go up and my kid will be out of my hair.
Teachers...get...no...respect.
Do doctors get respect? What about grocery store workers? This argument is so tired. All the teachers I know want to get back in the classroom because they love their jobs. If you don’t want to teach, don’t. Stop bringing everyone down with you.
You miss the point. I am a teacher and I desperately want to get back with my students. I zoom with them daily for about an hour and have optional “check in” zooms every afternoon. I am working with some awesome parents who think of school as a partnership...and with some who are completely overwhelmed just trying to put food on the table...and some who have checked out because, despite access to technology and time, they have just given up because it is “too hard.” I want to go back...but I am very concerned that protocols and adequate funding for the myriad things we will need to stay safer (not completely safe) will not be followed or available. I don’t want to be put in the same position as the VERY brave hospital workers and others who had to improvise and scramble for basic protections. In regular times, schools are known to be vectors for spreading diseases. One HUGE unanswered question is whether kids can easily pass on the virus. There is not enough info yet to determine that. If they prove to be poor carriers, we can all breathe more easily. If they do turn out to be “good” carriers, not only are they endangering their classmates and school staff, they are endangering their own families. Those who advocate spreading the virus to foster herd immunity are simply saying a certain number of people will have to die in order to “beat” this. They have a point. But, the initial estimate, which the president likes to cite, predicted 2 million dead if we did NOTHING to halt the spread. We are approaching 100,000. How many are too many?
I think you need to stay home. Honestly. You sound like a great teacher and thank you for caring for the kids. But this virus is not killing kids (no Kawasaki is not corona, stop the hysteria) or younger/middle aged adults who make up the teacher pool. Kids need school, academic structure and socialization and parents with jobs like they need air. I have a 10 year who has developed extreme depression over being yanked from school and the social isolation. Friends tell me their kids are also becoming mentally and emotionally sick. Kids count too. I am sick of everyone’s focus on older adults. Unless you have pre existing conditions or are over age 65, your odds of surviving this virus are excellent. Time to start finding a way to put our future generations first and for the older generations to shelter in place until they are sick if it.
There will never be a vaccine. All of the current candidates are slowly failing one by one. Put the kids back in school. They are not sacrificial lambs.
+1
Anonymous
05/25/2020 09:50
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait until a single kid gets Kawasaki's disease related to COVID they contracted at school and there is a death. The outrage will be insane.
You might be right, if a kid dies. If a teacher dies? Oh well, that’s just part of your job. You chose the profession. Now, get your lazy ass back into the classroom and teach my child! If you die, MCPS can just get somebody else...and probably cheaper. It’s a win-win for me! My taxes won’t go up and my kid will be out of my hair.
Teachers...get...no...respect.
Do doctors get respect? What about grocery store workers? This argument is so tired. All the teachers I know want to get back in the classroom because they love their jobs. If you don’t want to teach, don’t. Stop bringing everyone down with you.
You miss the point. I am a teacher and I desperately want to get back with my students. I zoom with them daily for about an hour and have optional “check in” zooms every afternoon. I am working with some awesome parents who think of school as a partnership...and with some who are completely overwhelmed just trying to put food on the table...and some who have checked out because, despite access to technology and time, they have just given up because it is “too hard.” I want to go back...but I am very concerned that protocols and adequate funding for the myriad things we will need to stay safer (not completely safe) will not be followed or available. I don’t want to be put in the same position as the VERY brave hospital workers and others who had to improvise and scramble for basic protections. In regular times, schools are known to be vectors for spreading diseases. One HUGE unanswered question is whether kids can easily pass on the virus. There is not enough info yet to determine that. If they prove to be poor carriers, we can all breathe more easily. If they do turn out to be “good” carriers, not only are they endangering their classmates and school staff, they are endangering their own families. Those who advocate spreading the virus to foster herd immunity are simply saying a certain number of people will have to die in order to “beat” this. They have a point. But, the initial estimate, which the president likes to cite, predicted 2 million dead if we did NOTHING to halt the spread. We are approaching 100,000. How many are too many?
I think you need to stay home. Honestly. You sound like a great teacher and thank you for caring for the kids. But this virus is not killing kids (no Kawasaki is not corona, stop the hysteria) or younger/middle aged adults who make up the teacher pool. Kids need school, academic structure and socialization and parents with jobs like they need air. I have a 10 year who has developed extreme depression over being yanked from school and the social isolation. Friends tell me their kids are also becoming mentally and emotionally sick. Kids count too. I am sick of everyone’s focus on older adults. Unless you have pre existing conditions or are over age 65, your odds of surviving this virus are excellent. Time to start finding a way to put our future generations first and for the older generations to shelter in place until they are sick if it.
There will never be a vaccine. All of the current candidates are slowly failing one by one. Put the kids back in school. They are not sacrificial lambs.
Very well said. Agree 100%. (I'm agnostic on the vaccine, but I think everyone pinning their hopes and especially policies on it being found soon is misguided.)
Anonymous
05/25/2020 09:38
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait until a single kid gets Kawasaki's disease related to COVID they contracted at school and there is a death. The outrage will be insane.
You might be right, if a kid dies. If a teacher dies? Oh well, that’s just part of your job. You chose the profession. Now, get your lazy ass back into the classroom and teach my child! If you die, MCPS can just get somebody else...and probably cheaper. It’s a win-win for me! My taxes won’t go up and my kid will be out of my hair.
Teachers...get...no...respect.
Do doctors get respect? What about grocery store workers? This argument is so tired. All the teachers I know want to get back in the classroom because they love their jobs. If you don’t want to teach, don’t. Stop bringing everyone down with you.
You miss the point. I am a teacher and I desperately want to get back with my students. I zoom with them daily for about an hour and have optional “check in” zooms every afternoon. I am working with some awesome parents who think of school as a partnership...and with some who are completely overwhelmed just trying to put food on the table...and some who have checked out because, despite access to technology and time, they have just given up because it is “too hard.” I want to go back...but I am very concerned that protocols and adequate funding for the myriad things we will need to stay safer (not completely safe) will not be followed or available. I don’t want to be put in the same position as the VERY brave hospital workers and others who had to improvise and scramble for basic protections. In regular times, schools are known to be vectors for spreading diseases. One HUGE unanswered question is whether kids can easily pass on the virus. There is not enough info yet to determine that. If they prove to be poor carriers, we can all breathe more easily. If they do turn out to be “good” carriers, not only are they endangering their classmates and school staff, they are endangering their own families. Those who advocate spreading the virus to foster herd immunity are simply saying a certain number of people will have to die in order to “beat” this. They have a point. But, the initial estimate, which the president likes to cite, predicted 2 million dead if we did NOTHING to halt the spread. We are approaching 100,000. How many are too many?
I think you need to stay home. Honestly. You sound like a great teacher and thank you for caring for the kids. But this virus is not killing kids (no Kawasaki is not corona, stop the hysteria) or younger/middle aged adults who make up the teacher pool. Kids need school, academic structure and socialization and parents with jobs like they need air. I have a 10 year who has developed extreme depression over being yanked from school and the social isolation. Friends tell me their kids are also becoming mentally and emotionally sick. Kids count too. I am sick of everyone’s focus on older adults. Unless you have pre existing conditions or are over age 65, your odds of surviving this virus are excellent. Time to start finding a way to put our future generations first and for the older generations to shelter in place until they are sick if it.
There will never be a vaccine. All of the current candidates are slowly failing one by one. Put the kids back in school. They are not sacrificial lambs.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 08:38
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait until a single kid gets Kawasaki's disease related to COVID they contracted at school and there is a death. The outrage will be insane.
You might be right, if a kid dies. If a teacher dies? Oh well, that’s just part of your job. You chose the profession. Now, get your lazy ass back into the classroom and teach my child! If you die, MCPS can just get somebody else...and probably cheaper. It’s a win-win for me! My taxes won’t go up and my kid will be out of my hair.
Teachers...get...no...respect.
Do doctors get respect? What about grocery store workers? This argument is so tired. All the teachers I know want to get back in the classroom because they love their jobs. If you don’t want to teach, don’t. Stop bringing everyone down with you.
You miss the point. I am a teacher and I desperately want to get back with my students. I zoom with them daily for about an hour and have optional “check in” zooms every afternoon. I am working with some awesome parents who think of school as a partnership...and with some who are completely overwhelmed just trying to put food on the table...and some who have checked out because, despite access to technology and time, they have just given up because it is “too hard.” I want to go back...but I am very concerned that protocols and adequate funding for the myriad things we will need to stay safer (not completely safe) will not be followed or available. I don’t want to be put in the same position as the VERY brave hospital workers and others who had to improvise and scramble for basic protections. In regular times, schools are known to be vectors for spreading diseases. One HUGE unanswered question is whether kids can easily pass on the virus. There is not enough info yet to determine that. If they prove to be poor carriers, we can all breathe more easily. If they do turn out to be “good” carriers, not only are they endangering their classmates and school staff, they are endangering their own families. Those who advocate spreading the virus to foster herd immunity are simply saying a certain number of people will have to die in order to “beat” this. They have a point. But, the initial estimate, which the president likes to cite, predicted 2 million dead if we did NOTHING to halt the spread. We are approaching 100,000. How many are too many?
Anonymous
05/25/2020 08:22
Subject: Re:The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry folks, I love it this way. Some effort but a full paycheck. Knowing MCPS I'm 100% sure they won't open for a long time.
You're a teacher apparently? I have two friends who teach elementary and they've both said they enjoy working from home. Now that they figured out how to use Zoom, they're settled in and don't want to go back.
If I were a teacher I would be embarrassed to admit to this, even anonymously online. My son is in elementary school. His work is so minimal. His math homework is usually one question. ONE QUESTION to turn in. He has learned zero in the last 2 months from his distance learning. Im doing my best to teach him what I can.
I have already started using outside programs which are set up in a better format for learning than our schools.
This has been a complete waste of 2 months and the fact that you love "teaching" without such a large percentage of students actually learning is scary. It doesn't matter what MCPS numbers say, even if 70% of students are logging on doesn't mean they're actually learning something.
MCPS distance learning is like taking an open book test-- and we all know how well people learn from those.
Sorry I call BS on this post. I'm an elementary school teacher who can be a bit of a smart ass cynic at times but I don't know of a single teacher in my school who doesn't wish we were all back in the building with our kids. Like it or not, there is an art to teaching that can't really be replicated online. At first I was bothered when my kids would join our Zoom classes having not watched the videos but two months in and I can barely bring myself to watch them either. They're boring AF and aren't at all what a real lesson would be like for our students. I can't even begin to think about what it's going to be like in the fall knowing it would be impossible to have us all back while adhering to the current CDC guidelines. I will say that the real MVPs are you parents. You all are rockstars trying to balance working your regular jobs, managing kids at home and still trying to support your kids education. We really appreciate it and know it's not easy for anyone involved.
You can call BS if you want. Teachers run the gamut. Some are rockstars, some are not.
You mean...like in every other profession or job. Astounding!
Anonymous
05/25/2020 08:13
Subject: Re:The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Oh right, like the liberal media isn't outraged over meat packers getting the disease en masse because they're being forced to go to work during dangerous times. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen if one dies from it. You don't have to prove much in a civil lawsuit. The university may even pay to make it go away. If places of work routinely ignore basic safety advice regarding public health, they could easily be sued for endangering their staff.
Aren't we all outraged that meatpacking employees are getting covid because their employers didn't provide a safe workplace? It's hard to believe that's a partisan thing, as though the "liberal media" were saying, this is terrible, and the people who like to use the term "liberal media" were saying, ho hum, dead meatpacking employees, who cares as long as the price of hamburgers doesn't go up.
The problems at meatpacking plants go waaaaay back. The employers routinely hire undocumented (or, if you prefer) illegal immigrants. Rarely do the employers get prosecuted for violating immigration or labor laws because they know their employees are afraid to speak up. Why do the employers hire these people? Because they will work very hard for little pay...so that the company can keep costs down and maximize profits. The employers haven’t given a damn about their employees in the past. Why would they start now?
Society in general hasn't given a damn about the meat-packing employees either.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 08:12
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It won’t just be one kid.
Parents are already planning a class action lawsuit over DL.
Good to hear!
Why is that good to hear?
Because not considering school (i.e. in-person instruction) essential is an outrage.
So you think that schools should have stayed open with in-person instruction, this spring?
This thread is obviously about the fall. If you want to keep your kid home forever, do it.
People are already planning a class-action lawsuit over distance learning in the fall? That's thinking ahead, I guess.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 08:11
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait until a single kid gets Kawasaki's disease related to COVID they contracted at school and there is a death. The outrage will be insane.
You might be right, if a kid dies. If a teacher dies? Oh well, that’s just part of your job. You chose the profession. Now, get your lazy ass back into the classroom and teach my child! If you die, MCPS can just get somebody else...and probably cheaper. It’s a win-win for me! My taxes won’t go up and my kid will be out of my hair.
Teachers...get...no...respect.
Do doctors get respect? What about grocery store workers? This argument is so tired. All the teachers I know want to get back in the classroom because they love their jobs. If you don’t want to teach, don’t. Stop bringing everyone down with you.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 08:09
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It won’t just be one kid.
Parents are already planning a class action lawsuit over DL.
Good to hear!
Why is that good to hear?
Because not considering school (i.e. in-person instruction) essential is an outrage.
So you think that schools should have stayed open with in-person instruction, this spring?
This thread is obviously about the fall. If you want to keep your kid home forever, do it.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 08:09
Subject: Re:The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Oh right, like the liberal media isn't outraged over meat packers getting the disease en masse because they're being forced to go to work during dangerous times. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen if one dies from it. You don't have to prove much in a civil lawsuit. The university may even pay to make it go away. If places of work routinely ignore basic safety advice regarding public health, they could easily be sued for endangering their staff.
Aren't we all outraged that meatpacking employees are getting covid because their employers didn't provide a safe workplace? It's hard to believe that's a partisan thing, as though the "liberal media" were saying, this is terrible, and the people who like to use the term "liberal media" were saying, ho hum, dead meatpacking employees, who cares as long as the price of hamburgers doesn't go up.
The problems at meatpacking plants go waaaaay back. The employers routinely hire undocumented (or, if you prefer) illegal immigrants. Rarely do the employers get prosecuted for violating immigration or labor laws because they know their employees are afraid to speak up. Why do the employers hire these people? Because they will work very hard for little pay...so that the company can keep costs down and maximize profits. The employers haven’t given a damn about their employees in the past. Why would they start now?
Anonymous
05/25/2020 08:00
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait until a single kid gets Kawasaki's disease related to COVID they contracted at school and there is a death. The outrage will be insane.
You might be right, if a kid dies. If a teacher dies? Oh well, that’s just part of your job. You chose the profession. Now, get your lazy ass back into the classroom and teach my child! If you die, MCPS can just get somebody else...and probably cheaper. It’s a win-win for me! My taxes won’t go up and my kid will be out of my hair.
Teachers...get...no...respect.
Both teachers and students (and parents) need to be aware that working at/attending a school entails a risk of infection with communicable diseases, some potentially deadly. It's always been like that.
(And that is NOT to say that I agree at all with the sentiment towards teachers you are ascribing to parents.)
Anonymous
05/25/2020 07:56
Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It won’t just be one kid.
Parents are already planning a class action lawsuit over DL.
Good to hear!
Why is that good to hear?
Because not considering school (i.e. in-person instruction) essential is an outrage.
So you think that schools should have stayed open with in-person instruction, this spring?