Hmmm.. it's not even clear what can bring the Democratic party together, let alone the country.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What can bring us together?

Coca-cola, apple pie, and the sweet smell of freshly mown grass and firefly lights on a comfortable summer night.

Coca-cola is a symbol of cultural imperialism and Americans should be ashamed of it.

By that rationale, airplanes are also cultural imperialism and Americans should be ashamed of it!

Shame! SHAME!!!!!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This all happening because of changes in race and immigration. There has always a pushback in American society when the rights and powers of minorities is expanded. It's demographics. The average white person is 56. The average hispanic is 12. Combine that with the collapse of traditional blue color labor markets and angry right wing propaganda we are seeing the last gasp of majority white rule (over)exerting itself. I hate to say but it won't end until the baby boomer generation fades away.

Oh my gawd the level of stupidity in your post. Illegal immigration is not a minority issue, it is a national sovernity, economic, and safety issue. I am Asian, a first generation immigrant, and I am against illegal immigration regardless of where it is coming form.

And I am Gen X.

really hope this is not a friend....

Don't worry, if you agree with the PP I was replying to, we are not friends - I don't have friends that stupid.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This all happening because of changes in race and immigration. There has always a pushback in American society when the rights and powers of minorities is expanded. It's demographics. The average white person is 56. The average hispanic is 12. Combine that with the collapse of traditional blue color labor markets and angry right wing propaganda we are seeing the last gasp of majority white rule (over)exerting itself. I hate to say but it won't end until the baby boomer generation fades away.

Oh my gawd the level of stupidity in your post. Illegal immigration is not a minority issue, it is a national sovernity, economic, and safety issue. I am Asian, a first generation immigrant, and I am against illegal immigration regardless of where it is coming form.

And I am Gen X.

Yeah, pulling the ladder up behind you isn’t a new phenomenon. It isn’t any less shameful.

I didn't come here illegally, dumbass. I came here legally and support legal immigration into the US. The people following the same ladder as I used to come to the US are legal immigrants.

How can you be so stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Indiana. Immigrants, illegal and otherwise, have helped. The poor, illegal immigrants work harder and contribute more to society than the poor black and white people. The immigrants are on their way up, and their kids are mostly going to make it into the middle class. The native born people in poverty aren't going anywhere, and neither are their kids.

Interesting.

Has illegal immigration not had any affect on your local school systems?

Illegal immigration has had a dramatic effect on local school systems in the DC Metro area.

Not in particular. It's just about money. Schools with wealthy families do well; schools with families in poverty do poorly. Immigration status really has nothing to do with it. If anything, the poor schools with more Latino kids probably do slightly better.

One thing that might matter is that, outside of Indianapolis, we don't have a very prevalent tradition of private schools. There's clearly more money in the D.C. area than in Indiana, so it's not apples-to-apples, but even the "rich" kids tend to go to a public school of some sort.

I'm the PP. Thanks for coming back to respond. I have family members and friends who live in the various parts of the Midwest, and they all have varying opinions on illegal immigration, and how much it negatively affects their communities. Many of them are wealthy professionals, so they don't live around illegal immigrants, and don't have kids who attend school with the kids of illegal immigrants. So, they truly don't see it as an issue at all.

First off, I'd take issue with your comment about Latino kids. Illegal immigrants are not just from Central and South America. Could be different where you are, but in the DC area, we have illegal immigrants who come here from all over the world - Africa, Israel, Europe, Asia (China/India/Phillippines/Pakistan), etc. So, this is not just about 'Latino kids'. In another thread here, someone commented that Northern Virginia has noted that illegal immigrants from Asia (South Korea?) are some of the most prevalent.

You are fortunate that illegal immigration has not had a negative effect on your schools yet. It likely depends on the percentage of ESOL/lower-income (FARMS) students at your school. I'd say a school can handle up to about a 30% ESOL/Farms rate in our school system, but once it gets up to 40-50%, it has a profoundly negative effect on the school.

My kids attend a school like this, and it can be frustrating. Frustrating for the teachers, and for us, as parents. It's tough to generate enough parental involvement, when there is not as much of a sense of community. Last year, we couldn't get enough parent volunteers for field trips, so they had to pay aides to attend. Which meant less field trips going forward, because the additional staff was necessary AT school.

Then, there is the issue of staffing in general. Our high school has had to increase it's ESOL staffing dramatically over the past 5 years. Meaning less money for other non-essential staff - art teachers, music teachers, etc.

Also, there are many neighborhoods in our area that have been taken over by illegal rentals, that cater to illegal immigrants. Landlords buy these single family homes, and rent them out to 4 different families. So, in a home where there were 4 or 5 people living, you know can have up to 20. That is not a positive change for the neighborhood, however you look at it.

The other neighborhood issue for us has been hit-and-runs. Maryland gives drivers licenses to illegal immigrants. However, many illegal immigrants don't want to pay the extra money for car insurance (why bother, if they won't get caught anyway??). Several of my neighbors have been victims of hit and runs, where someone will hit their car and just drive on away.

It's incredibly frustrating to see that there is an entirely different set of rules for those people who have immigrated here illegally. You might be able to see where this frustration comes from, especially when the Democrats continue to tout increased social service benefits for illegal immigrants, using taxpayer money.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This all happening because of changes in race and immigration. There has always a pushback in American society when the rights and powers of minorities is expanded. It's demographics. The average white person is 56. The average hispanic is 12. Combine that with the collapse of traditional blue color labor markets and angry right wing propaganda we are seeing the last gasp of majority white rule (over)exerting itself. I hate to say but it won't end until the baby boomer generation fades away.

You're going based off an incorrect assumption that only white people disapprove of illegal immigration. I'm a PP and I'm not White. I'm actually an immigrant, FWIW. But I am appalled by the Democrat politicians who want to decriminalize border crossings.

How do you feel about the Republican politicians who want to demonize those who cross the border?

One of our problems is that we're not having a very rational conversation about what level of wrongdoing this ought to be considered. It's not nothing, but it's not rape, robbery, or murder either. Maybe on the level of tax fraud?

I don’t care what you want to call it. You want to compare it to tax fraud? Fine. Though, I would argue that it is way more than tax fraud.

But, at least fraud has some negative consequences. Illegal immigrants don’t even need to pay a fine when they’re caught. At least in MoCo, they are just sent on their way - even when they go on to commit even worse crimes.

Instead, we reward people do illegal immigration - free health insurance, free school, free meals, free healthcare, free college tuition! What an awesome deal!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Indiana. Immigrants, illegal and otherwise, have helped. The poor, illegal immigrants work harder and contribute more to society than the poor black and white people. The immigrants are on their way up, and their kids are mostly going to make it into the middle class. The native born people in poverty aren't going anywhere, and neither are their kids.

Interesting.

Has illegal immigration not had any affect on your local school systems?

Illegal immigration has had a dramatic effect on local school systems in the DC Metro area.

A Fairfax County school system employee told the board at one of their work sessions that the ELL students are overwhelming the system.

This has been the case in MCPS for years.

Or ask a hospital worker at Holy Cross. Leads to increase stress on employees and decline in services for citizens and legal immigrants, either way.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This all happening because of changes in race and immigration. There has always a pushback in American society when the rights and powers of minorities is expanded. It's demographics. The average white person is 56. The average hispanic is 12. Combine that with the collapse of traditional blue color labor markets and angry right wing propaganda we are seeing the last gasp of majority white rule (over)exerting itself. I hate to say but it won't end until the baby boomer generation fades away.

Oh my gawd the level of stupidity in your post. Illegal immigration is not a minority issue, it is a national sovernity, economic, and safety issue. I am Asian, a first generation immigrant, and I am against illegal immigration regardless of where it is coming form.

And I am Gen X.

Yeah, pulling the ladder up behind you isn’t a new phenomenon. It isn’t any less shameful.

DP

Nobody is pulling the ladder up.

You are still more than welcome to come here legally.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How have we gotten to a place where we encourage millions of people to break the law and then reward them for doing so.

We look the other way when it results in low wages, poor working conditions and increased human trafficking, etc.

And Democrats want to call that ‘humane’?

Actually, it’s insane. And needs to end.

We got here because corporations and family businesses like the Trump organization prefer to hire illegal immigrants. Also Republicans kill any legislation to increase wages or implement e-verify.

AND because Democrats would like to increase their voter base by encouraging more illegal immigration. And, not aggravate their wealthy donors by cracking down on illegal immigration.

And, because Democrats have pushed to normalize illegal immigration. Democrats continue to push for more free services for illegal immigrants to incentivize them to risk their lives to come here.

Let's be honest.

Yes, let’s be honest, because your post isn’t. Literally nothing in your post is accurate, actually.

Changing the wording to "undocumented" instead of "illegal" was part of it. Trying to make it sound okay, like someone lost id in a fire or something.

If I sell a used basketball at a yard sale, that transaction is undocumented.

If I sell stolen meds from the hospital pharmacy, that transaction is also undocumented, but it would be certain to be reported as illegal in news coverage.

Anonymous wrote:What can bring us together?

Coca-cola, apple pie, and the sweet smell of freshly mown grass and firefly lights on a comfortable summer night.

Coca-cola is a symbol of cultural imperialism and Americans should be ashamed of it.

What can bring us together?

Coca-cola, apple pie, and the sweet smell of freshly mown grass and firefly lights on a comfortable summer night.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Illegal immigration hurts African Americans more than any other demographic. Democrats don't care.

Black people aren't dumb. They vote in the neighborhood of 90% for Democrats for a reason. Democrats sure aren't perfect, but Republican policies hurt them, and Republican voters look down on them.

Black people's kindness leads to putting other groups above themselves. See the black leaders in Mississippi who raged against an ICE raid that resulted in employment for African Americans, or the rep from Lowndes county fussing about DACA while her own constituents live with open sewage and hookworm.

She barely has any Latinos in her district as I recall. She only made some gestures when ADOS called her out on Twitter.

There is a significant and growing number of African Americans who are tired of the Democratic party's behavior. Most will vote down ballot Democrat but will not vote blue at the top of the ticket if they don't get it together.

https://twitter.com/RepTerriSewell/status/905536681964601346

Here's a show with African-Americans explaining the impact of illegal immigration. The host used to work for a Dem politician (Barbara Boxer I believe) . First part of the show is the stats and the second part people call in with their experiences.

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Latina Thagoddess

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take care of your own people

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Dems wonder why they are losing Black support. Caring more about DACA than the #Hookworm epidemic in Lowndes County, Alabama.




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Where are the Leaders who are focusing on the #BlackDreamers. What about the issues in our Community #Hookworm

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How have we gotten to a place where we encourage millions of people to break the law and then reward them for doing so.

We look the other way when it results in low wages, poor working conditions and increased human trafficking, etc.

And Democrats want to call that ‘humane’?

Actually, it’s insane. And needs to end.

We got here because corporations and family businesses like the Trump organization prefer to hire illegal immigrants. Also Republicans kill any legislation to increase wages or implement e-verify.

AND because Democrats would like to increase their voter base by encouraging more illegal immigration. And, not aggravate their wealthy donors by cracking down on illegal immigration.

And, because Democrats have pushed to normalize illegal immigration. Democrats continue to push for more free services for illegal immigrants to incentivize them to risk their lives to come here.

Let's be honest.

Yes, let’s be honest, because your post isn’t. Literally nothing in your post is accurate, actually.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This all happening because of changes in race and immigration. There has always a pushback in American society when the rights and powers of minorities is expanded. It's demographics. The average white person is 56. The average hispanic is 12. Combine that with the collapse of traditional blue color labor markets and angry right wing propaganda we are seeing the last gasp of majority white rule (over)exerting itself. I hate to say but it won't end until the baby boomer generation fades away.

Oh my gawd the level of stupidity in your post. Illegal immigration is not a minority issue, it is a national sovernity, economic, and safety issue. I am Asian, a first generation immigrant, and I am against illegal immigration regardless of where it is coming form.

And I am Gen X.

Yeah, pulling the ladder up behind you isn’t a new phenomenon. It isn’t any less shameful.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This all happening because of changes in race and immigration. There has always a pushback in American society when the rights and powers of minorities is expanded. It's demographics. The average white person is 56. The average hispanic is 12. Combine that with the collapse of traditional blue color labor markets and angry right wing propaganda we are seeing the last gasp of majority white rule (over)exerting itself. I hate to say but it won't end until the baby boomer generation fades away.

Oh my gawd the level of stupidity in your post. Illegal immigration is not a minority issue, it is a national sovernity, economic, and safety issue. I am Asian, a first generation immigrant, and I am against illegal immigration regardless of where it is coming form.

And I am Gen X.

really hope this is not a friend....