Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 22:31     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You guys got me all freaked out about this. I should know to NEVER rely on DCUM for advice or to trust what I read.

Here’s my reality check with real scores:

Cogat National 99V, 98Q, 99NV
Cogat MCPS, 96V, 93Q, 95NV
MAP math 240s, MAP reading 230s
All As
High 5 on PARCC math, high 4 on PARCC ELA

Recommended for TPMS, wait pool at Eastern

School with moderate poverty rate. No prepping for tests.


PP above here, forgot to add my kid is not currently in a CES.


Congrats, but your kid (and my kid) would have had no chance coming out of certain ES areas, CES or not.


But my kid actually got in and the rest of you are just strangers speculating online. I know for certain what it takes to get in because my kid got in and it’s not what is claimed here.


You are being very myopic. You are in a school with a moderate poverty rate. These scores would not get you in if you were coming from the W cluster. 99/98/97 MCPS percentile did not get in.


So you say but I have yet to hear convincing evidence that this is true. And by convincing I mean from an official source not just here in DCUM-world. The only definitive facts I have are my own kids scores.


I guess the word "irony" is lost on you. For all we know, you are a Russian troll.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 22:26     Subject: Re:5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
So you say but I have yet to hear convincing evidence that this is true. And by convincing I mean from an official source not just here in DCUM-world. The only definitive facts I have are my own kids scores.


I have a kid with similar scores and the same outcome, and I do understand these scores would not have been enough if we'd not been in-boundary for TPMS. I'm not defensive about that, nor should you be.

My child benefited from being at a medium-poverty school (was compared against his peers) and from being in boundary for the magnet. It's fine. I will support him and he will do well, but this is not an opportunity he would have been afforded coming out of Cold Spring or another school.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 22:21     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You guys got me all freaked out about this. I should know to NEVER rely on DCUM for advice or to trust what I read.

Here’s my reality check with real scores:

Cogat National 99V, 98Q, 99NV
Cogat MCPS, 96V, 93Q, 95NV
MAP math 240s, MAP reading 230s
All As
High 5 on PARCC math, high 4 on PARCC ELA

Recommended for TPMS, wait pool at Eastern

School with moderate poverty rate. No prepping for tests.


PP above here, forgot to add my kid is not currently in a CES.


Congrats, but your kid (and my kid) would have had no chance coming out of certain ES areas, CES or not.


But my kid actually got in and the rest of you are just strangers speculating online. I know for certain what it takes to get in because my kid got in and it’s not what is claimed here.


You are being very myopic. You are in a school with a moderate poverty rate. These scores would not get you in if you were coming from the W cluster. 99/98/97 MCPS percentile did not get in.


So you say but I have yet to hear convincing evidence that this is true. And by convincing I mean from an official source not just here in DCUM-world. The only definitive facts I have are my own kids scores.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 22:17     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You guys got me all freaked out about this. I should know to NEVER rely on DCUM for advice or to trust what I read.

Here’s my reality check with real scores:

Cogat National 99V, 98Q, 99NV
Cogat MCPS, 96V, 93Q, 95NV
MAP math 240s, MAP reading 230s
All As
High 5 on PARCC math, high 4 on PARCC ELA

Recommended for TPMS, wait pool at Eastern

School with moderate poverty rate. No prepping for tests.


PP above here, forgot to add my kid is not currently in a CES.


Congrats, but your kid (and my kid) would have had no chance coming out of certain ES areas, CES or not.


But my kid actually got in and the rest of you are just strangers speculating online. I know for certain what it takes to get in because my kid got in and it’s not what is claimed here.


You are being very myopic. You are in a school with a moderate poverty rate. These scores would not get you in if you were coming from the W cluster. 99/98/97 MCPS percentile did not get in.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 22:11     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anyone got acceptance / rejection for MLK/Robert Clemento?
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:45     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You guys got me all freaked out about this. I should know to NEVER rely on DCUM for advice or to trust what I read.

Here’s my reality check with real scores:

Cogat National 99V, 98Q, 99NV
Cogat MCPS, 96V, 93Q, 95NV
MAP math 240s, MAP reading 230s
All As
High 5 on PARCC math, high 4 on PARCC ELA

Recommended for TPMS, wait pool at Eastern

School with moderate poverty rate. No prepping for tests.


Congrats to you and your child, PP!
My DD is recommended for Easter and not recommended for TPMS.
Cogat National 99V, 99Q, 97V
Cogat MCPS 99V, 99Q,90MCPS
MAP math 250s, MAP reading 240s, all As, lower 5s on both PARCCs.
WJ cluster, currently not in a CES, no prepping for tests other than one CogAt book from Amazon.

Frankly, I thought DD had a better shot at TPMS than Eastern, since her MAP-M have been high all along, but, I guess, a relatively low CogAT NV did her in. I'm not complaining, though, we are going to the open house.



You purchased a book for your child and made her take these tests in them to prep her to get a better CogAt score. Yet, you are actually that delusional to think you didn't test prep. You Tiger parents are unreal.

Not the pp, but the book from amazon is a full bank of cogat mock test. I purchased one also for my DC, who only got 1 wrong in each battery, so we all thought he bombed his real test because he got total 12 wrongs. Turns out his score is still the top on every section. I feel the mock test book is good to let the kids familiarize with the type of questions and don’t get over anxious, and I don’t think that’s a test prep.


Hilarious! You totally prepped.


I tend to find, and want to instill in our DC, that a little bit of preparation is better than no preparation, for just about anything. Yes, DC spent about 3-4 hours working through the shortest, least questionable, book I could find on Amazon for the 5th grade cogat (it still reminded me of a coloring book), and if you find that "prepping", so be it. If that was the toll charge to having the option (and DC has the option) of going to one of the magnet programs, happy to have that be the lesson.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:36     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You guys got me all freaked out about this. I should know to NEVER rely on DCUM for advice or to trust what I read.

Here’s my reality check with real scores:

Cogat National 99V, 98Q, 99NV
Cogat MCPS, 96V, 93Q, 95NV
MAP math 240s, MAP reading 230s
All As
High 5 on PARCC math, high 4 on PARCC ELA

Recommended for TPMS, wait pool at Eastern

School with moderate poverty rate. No prepping for tests.


Congrats to you and your child, PP!
My DD is recommended for Easter and not recommended for TPMS.
Cogat National 99V, 99Q, 97V
Cogat MCPS 99V, 99Q,90MCPS
MAP math 250s, MAP reading 240s, all As, lower 5s on both PARCCs.
WJ cluster, currently not in a CES, no prepping for tests other than one CogAt book from Amazon.

Frankly, I thought DD had a better shot at TPMS than Eastern, since her MAP-M have been high all along, but, I guess, a relatively low CogAT NV did her in. I'm not complaining, though, we are going to the open house.



You purchased a book for your child and made her take these tests in them to prep her to get a better CogAt score. Yet, you are actually that delusional to think you didn't test prep. You Tiger parents are unreal.

Not the pp, but the book from amazon is a full bank of cogat mock test. I purchased one also for my DC, who only got 1 wrong in each battery, so we all thought he bombed his real test because he got total 12 wrongs. Turns out his score is still the top on every section. I feel the mock test book is good to let the kids familiarize with the type of questions and don’t get over anxious, and I don’t think that’s a test prep.


Hilarious! You totally prepped.


I didn't take this approach, but I don't consider this prepping. Prepping is using flashcards, taking classes, or adhering to a schedule to study or practice for a test. Doing a nonchalant text in a CogAT book for orientation is just...kind of normal. If you want to call it prepping or "tiger mom style" ok I guess, but it's not crazy. It's helping your kid not feel flustered so they can focus on what matters.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:33     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How low are your children's scores compared to the local level?

Mine is 71% nationally, 22% locally! Should I be concerned?


No. I wouldn't be concerned.
71%tile nationally is not problemlematic.

Your MCPS percentile is compared to a much smaller group of students who were "handpicked" to test. Because so many able students took the test and the sample size is small, a large number of very high scores will lower the percentiles of those typically in the middle. Remember, unless your child goes to an ES that is a direct feeder to TKMS, EMS, CMS, or MLK MS not everyone took the test, only those who were invited based on high data or their parents requested.

You might want to look at the raw score and the learner profile on the parent score report/website for more helpful information about your child as a learner.

In our average ES, lot of kids are being picked to test
Also I remember used to show the percentile among kids accepted, why is it not provided any more.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:32     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You guys got me all freaked out about this. I should know to NEVER rely on DCUM for advice or to trust what I read.

Here’s my reality check with real scores:

Cogat National 99V, 98Q, 99NV
Cogat MCPS, 96V, 93Q, 95NV
MAP math 240s, MAP reading 230s
All As
High 5 on PARCC math, high 4 on PARCC ELA

Recommended for TPMS, wait pool at Eastern

School with moderate poverty rate. No prepping for tests.


Congrats to you and your child, PP!
My DD is recommended for Easter and not recommended for TPMS.
Cogat National 99V, 99Q, 97V
Cogat MCPS 99V, 99Q,90MCPS
MAP math 250s, MAP reading 240s, all As, lower 5s on both PARCCs.
WJ cluster, currently not in a CES, no prepping for tests other than one CogAt book from Amazon.

Frankly, I thought DD had a better shot at TPMS than Eastern, since her MAP-M have been high all along, but, I guess, a relatively low CogAT NV did her in. I'm not complaining, though, we are going to the open house.



You purchased a book for your child and made her take these tests in them to prep her to get a better CogAt score. Yet, you are actually that delusional to think you didn't test prep. You Tiger parents are unreal.

Not the pp, but the book from amazon is a full bank of cogat mock test. I purchased one also for my DC, who only got 1 wrong in each battery, so we all thought he bombed his real test because he got total 12 wrongs. Turns out his score is still the top on every section. I feel the mock test book is good to let the kids familiarize with the type of questions and don’t get over anxious, and I don’t think that’s a test prep.


Hilarious! You totally prepped.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:31     Subject: Re:5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:Adding a Data Point

DD Accepted at Eastern but not Takoma
comes from school with mixed SES (about half high, half low)

Scores
V-50
Q-41
NV-37

This correlates to the following age percentile rank V-97%, Q-94%, NV-87% Composite-95% and was given the 8A profile.
MCPS percentiles lower V-85%, Q-82%, NV-72%.

Straight A's in CES. 5's on PARCC (higher on reading than math)

Historically she's always had high 99th percentile on MAP-R, except the Fall 19 score was an outlier 97% (lower absolute number than spring 19), so might have just been a bad testing day and they took that into account.
Historical Range of 96-99th percentile on MAP-M. Fall 19 was 98th percentile.

I'm putting all this out there to help because it looks like they were looking at a lot of different factors and must have taken into account scores that seemed anomalous.

We didn't have DD prep, and all the super high scores posted here had me starting to regret that. She said she found some of the questions just unfamiliar and weird, and I'm sure prepping might have helped increase those scores. Totally possible that prepping might have gotten her into Takoma, but might have also stressed her out. These decisions are wicked hard to make.

I will say DD overall performance (grades, scores, etc) and acceptance profile (in at Eastern not Takoma) seems quite similar to her older sibling in 2014-2015, using the old application system. I do remember that back then we were given the average (or possibly median, I can't quite remember) scores on those accepted to the program our child was not accepted into, which I thought was very informative.



Congrats! And thanks for those data points. My kid was wait listed for Eastern but got in to TPMS with similar scores. TPMS is a better fit so it’s fine but interesting to compare. Scores were:

V - 52
Q - 43
NV - 43

I do agree that they must look at a range of info.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:25     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You guys got me all freaked out about this. I should know to NEVER rely on DCUM for advice or to trust what I read.

Here’s my reality check with real scores:

Cogat National 99V, 98Q, 99NV
Cogat MCPS, 96V, 93Q, 95NV
MAP math 240s, MAP reading 230s
All As
High 5 on PARCC math, high 4 on PARCC ELA

Recommended for TPMS, wait pool at Eastern

School with moderate poverty rate. No prepping for tests.


Congrats to you and your child, PP!
My DD is recommended for Easter and not recommended for TPMS.
Cogat National 99V, 99Q, 97V
Cogat MCPS 99V, 99Q,90MCPS
MAP math 250s, MAP reading 240s, all As, lower 5s on both PARCCs.
WJ cluster, currently not in a CES, no prepping for tests other than one CogAt book from Amazon.

Frankly, I thought DD had a better shot at TPMS than Eastern, since her MAP-M have been high all along, but, I guess, a relatively low CogAT NV did her in. I'm not complaining, though, we are going to the open house.



You purchased a book for your child and made her take these tests in them to prep her to get a better CogAt score. Yet, you are actually that delusional to think you didn't test prep. You Tiger parents are unreal.

Not the pp, but the book from amazon is a full bank of cogat mock test. I purchased one also for my DC, who only got 1 wrong in each battery, so we all thought he bombed his real test because he got total 12 wrongs. Turns out his score is still the top on every section. I feel the mock test book is good to let the kids familiarize with the type of questions and don’t get over anxious, and I don’t think that’s a test prep.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:20     Subject: Re:5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Adding a Data Point

DD Accepted at Eastern but not Takoma
comes from school with mixed SES (about half high, half low)

Scores
V-50
Q-41
NV-37

This correlates to the following age percentile rank V-97%, Q-94%, NV-87% Composite-95% and was given the 8A profile.
MCPS percentiles lower V-85%, Q-82%, NV-72%.

Straight A's in CES. 5's on PARCC (higher on reading than math)

Historically she's always had high 99th percentile on MAP-R, except the Fall 19 score was an outlier 97% (lower absolute number than spring 19), so might have just been a bad testing day and they took that into account.
Historical Range of 96-99th percentile on MAP-M. Fall 19 was 98th percentile.

I'm putting all this out there to help because it looks like they were looking at a lot of different factors and must have taken into account scores that seemed anomalous.

We didn't have DD prep, and all the super high scores posted here had me starting to regret that. She said she found some of the questions just unfamiliar and weird, and I'm sure prepping might have helped increase those scores. Totally possible that prepping might have gotten her into Takoma, but might have also stressed her out. These decisions are wicked hard to make.

I will say DD overall performance (grades, scores, etc) and acceptance profile (in at Eastern not Takoma) seems quite similar to her older sibling in 2014-2015, using the old application system. I do remember that back then we were given the average (or possibly median, I can't quite remember) scores on those accepted to the program our child was not accepted into, which I thought was very informative.

Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:19     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You guys got me all freaked out about this. I should know to NEVER rely on DCUM for advice or to trust what I read.

Here’s my reality check with real scores:

Cogat National 99V, 98Q, 99NV
Cogat MCPS, 96V, 93Q, 95NV
MAP math 240s, MAP reading 230s
All As
High 5 on PARCC math, high 4 on PARCC ELA

Recommended for TPMS, wait pool at Eastern

School with moderate poverty rate. No prepping for tests.


Congrats to you and your child, PP!
My DD is recommended for Easter and not recommended for TPMS.
Cogat National 99V, 99Q, 97V
Cogat MCPS 99V, 99Q,90MCPS
MAP math 250s, MAP reading 240s, all As, lower 5s on both PARCCs.
WJ cluster, currently not in a CES, no prepping for tests other than one CogAt book from Amazon.

Frankly, I thought DD had a better shot at TPMS than Eastern, since her MAP-M have been high all along, but, I guess, a relatively low CogAT NV did her in. I'm not complaining, though, we are going to the open house.



You purchased a book for your child and made her take these tests in them to prep her to get a better CogAt score. Yet, you are actually that delusional to think you didn't test prep. You Tiger parents are unreal.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:19     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You guys got me all freaked out about this. I should know to NEVER rely on DCUM for advice or to trust what I read.

Here’s my reality check with real scores:

Cogat National 99V, 98Q, 99NV
Cogat MCPS, 96V, 93Q, 95NV
MAP math 240s, MAP reading 230s
All As
High 5 on PARCC math, high 4 on PARCC ELA

Recommended for TPMS, wait pool at Eastern

School with moderate poverty rate. No prepping for tests.


Congrats to you and your child, PP!
My DD is recommended for Easter and not recommended for TPMS.
Cogat National 99V, 99Q, 97V
Cogat MCPS 99V, 99Q,90MCPS
MAP math 250s, MAP reading 240s, all As, lower 5s on both PARCCs.
WJ cluster, currently not in a CES, no prepping for tests other than one CogAt book from Amazon.

Frankly, I thought DD had a better shot at TPMS than Eastern, since her MAP-M have been high all along, but, I guess, a relatively low CogAT NV did her in. I'm not complaining, though, we are going to the open house.



Congrats! What does your daughter think - was she more interested in math and science? When is the Eastern open house? I’m interested in hearing more in case we get offered a spot.

Thanks! The open house is on the 22nd (one day after the one at TPMS). DD is naturally good at math but is more interested in reading/writing if that makes sense. She said she rated both school as a 5 on the pre-test questionnaire. Go figure.


Are the open houses for waitlisted families too?
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:18     Subject: 5th Grade CogAT : Number Correct
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You guys got me all freaked out about this. I should know to NEVER rely on DCUM for advice or to trust what I read.

Here’s my reality check with real scores:

Cogat National 99V, 98Q, 99NV
Cogat MCPS, 96V, 93Q, 95NV
MAP math 240s, MAP reading 230s
All As
High 5 on PARCC math, high 4 on PARCC ELA

Recommended for TPMS, wait pool at Eastern

School with moderate poverty rate. No prepping for tests.


Congrats to you and your child, PP!
My DD is recommended for Easter and not recommended for TPMS.
Cogat National 99V, 99Q, 97V
Cogat MCPS 99V, 99Q,90MCPS
MAP math 250s, MAP reading 240s, all As, lower 5s on both PARCCs.
WJ cluster, currently not in a CES, no prepping for tests other than one CogAt book from Amazon.

Frankly, I thought DD had a better shot at TPMS than Eastern, since her MAP-M have been high all along, but, I guess, a relatively low CogAT NV did her in. I'm not complaining, though, we are going to the open house.



Congrats! What does your daughter think - was she more interested in math and science? When is the Eastern open house? I’m interested in hearing more in case we get offered a spot.

Thanks! The open house is on the 22nd (one day after the one at TPMS). DD is naturally good at math but is more interested in reading/writing if that makes sense. She said she rated both school as a 5 on the pre-test questionnaire. Go figure.