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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not a "commuter school" the way George Mason or Fordham are.

PP is desperate to paint Michigan as mediocre. It's pathetic.

Hey PP -- at Georgetown, most upperclassmen live off-campus. Is Georgetown a commuter school too?

It is another school that can't come close to creating a similar residential environment to most of the Ivy League and many other schools including LACs. If you look at Georgetown, although it is a fine school, it has a relatively low alumni giving rate and endowment compared to the schools that are more residential. I think there is a correlation.

Yet Michigan has massive alumni loyalty. I'm married to a Michigan alum and the loyalty is almost cultish. Michigan's endowment is $12 billion, the 9th highest in the country. Residential housing doesn't have the impact you think it does.

Your argument is specious. Just stop trying to make Michigan mediocre. It's not.

It is a huge school that does have a large endowment. It is way behind a lot of schools on a per capita basis. What percentage of Michigan's cultishly loyal alumni actually give back to the school vs. root for Big Blue vs Army? How does that percentage compare to other schools? Is it anywhere remotely close?

And what is the breakdown of that massive endowment? How much belongs to the medical center and benefits no undergraduates? How much to the Law School? Graduate Business? Athletics?

And how much of undergraduate tuition that undergraduates pay actually is siphoned off to pay for research (without them even knowing it)? $524M in research is funded by Institutional (Internal) sources? Where do you think that comes from?

Do you think that's any different than the other major R1 universities? You're truly ignorant.

They are certainly not alone, but Michigan puts much more institutional funds into research than any other university, and substantially more on a per capita basis than almost all other schools. A lot of your tuition (and student loan debt) is going off to fund research.

Please provide proof that:

1. This is actually true.

2. This has a MEASURABLE negative impact on undergrad academic experience.

I'll wait.

I'm not gonna be your monkey.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not a "commuter school" the way George Mason or Fordham are.

PP is desperate to paint Michigan as mediocre. It's pathetic.

Hey PP -- at Georgetown, most upperclassmen live off-campus. Is Georgetown a commuter school too?

It is another school that can't come close to creating a similar residential environment to most of the Ivy League and many other schools including LACs. If you look at Georgetown, although it is a fine school, it has a relatively low alumni giving rate and endowment compared to the schools that are more residential. I think there is a correlation.

Yet Michigan has massive alumni loyalty. I'm married to a Michigan alum and the loyalty is almost cultish. Michigan's endowment is $12 billion, the 9th highest in the country. Residential housing doesn't have the impact you think it does.

Your argument is specious. Just stop trying to make Michigan mediocre. It's not.

It is a huge school that does have a large endowment. It is way behind a lot of schools on a per capita basis. What percentage of Michigan's cultishly loyal alumni actually give back to the school vs. root for Big Blue vs Army? How does that percentage compare to other schools? Is it anywhere remotely close?

And what is the breakdown of that massive endowment? How much belongs to the medical center and benefits no undergraduates? How much to the Law School? Graduate Business? Athletics?

oh I see. You're trying to paint Michigan as a brainless sports-obsessed school.

Per student endowment doesn't tell the whole story. You know which school has the 2nd highest per student endowment? Soka University of America. It's higher than Harvard. Explain that to me. Does that mean Soka is better than Harvard?

Why don't you tell me how much money goes to Harvard undergrads as opposed to the law school?

You Google well! Which one is first? Princeton. Which school is first in USNWR? Princeton.

And is Soka second? No.

In fact, there's little correlation between USNWR and per capita endowment. One alignment doesn't equal a correlation.

Is that a fact, now?

I mean, you can literally run the 2 lists and derive the correlation coefficient. Or do you not know how to do that?

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not a "commuter school" the way George Mason or Fordham are.

PP is desperate to paint Michigan as mediocre. It's pathetic.

Hey PP -- at Georgetown, most upperclassmen live off-campus. Is Georgetown a commuter school too?

It is another school that can't come close to creating a similar residential environment to most of the Ivy League and many other schools including LACs. If you look at Georgetown, although it is a fine school, it has a relatively low alumni giving rate and endowment compared to the schools that are more residential. I think there is a correlation.

Yet Michigan has massive alumni loyalty. I'm married to a Michigan alum and the loyalty is almost cultish. Michigan's endowment is $12 billion, the 9th highest in the country. Residential housing doesn't have the impact you think it does.

Your argument is specious. Just stop trying to make Michigan mediocre. It's not.

It is a huge school that does have a large endowment. It is way behind a lot of schools on a per capita basis. What percentage of Michigan's cultishly loyal alumni actually give back to the school vs. root for Big Blue vs Army? How does that percentage compare to other schools? Is it anywhere remotely close?

And what is the breakdown of that massive endowment? How much belongs to the medical center and benefits no undergraduates? How much to the Law School? Graduate Business? Athletics?

And how much of undergraduate tuition that undergraduates pay actually is siphoned off to pay for research (without them even knowing it)? $524M in research is funded by Institutional (Internal) sources? Where do you think that comes from?

Do you think that's any different than the other major R1 universities? You're truly ignorant.

They are certainly not alone, but Michigan puts much more institutional funds into research than any other university, and substantially more on a per capita basis than almost all other schools. A lot of your tuition (and student loan debt) is going off to fund research.

Please provide proof that:

1. This is actually true.

2. This has a MEASURABLE negative impact on undergrad academic experience.

I'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not a "commuter school" the way George Mason or Fordham are.

PP is desperate to paint Michigan as mediocre. It's pathetic.

Hey PP -- at Georgetown, most upperclassmen live off-campus. Is Georgetown a commuter school too?

It is another school that can't come close to creating a similar residential environment to most of the Ivy League and many other schools including LACs. If you look at Georgetown, although it is a fine school, it has a relatively low alumni giving rate and endowment compared to the schools that are more residential. I think there is a correlation.

Yet Michigan has massive alumni loyalty. I'm married to a Michigan alum and the loyalty is almost cultish. Michigan's endowment is $12 billion, the 9th highest in the country. Residential housing doesn't have the impact you think it does.

Your argument is specious. Just stop trying to make Michigan mediocre. It's not.

It is a huge school that does have a large endowment. It is way behind a lot of schools on a per capita basis. What percentage of Michigan's cultishly loyal alumni actually give back to the school vs. root for Big Blue vs Army? How does that percentage compare to other schools? Is it anywhere remotely close?

And what is the breakdown of that massive endowment? How much belongs to the medical center and benefits no undergraduates? How much to the Law School? Graduate Business? Athletics?

oh I see. You're trying to paint Michigan as a brainless sports-obsessed school.

Per student endowment doesn't tell the whole story. You know which school has the 2nd highest per student endowment? Soka University of America. It's higher than Harvard. Explain that to me. Does that mean Soka is better than Harvard?

Why don't you tell me how much money goes to Harvard undergrads as opposed to the law school?

You Google well! Which one is first? Princeton. Which school is first in USNWR? Princeton.

And is Soka second? No.

In fact, there's little correlation between USNWR and per capita endowment. One alignment doesn't equal a correlation.

Is that a fact, now?

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not a "commuter school" the way George Mason or Fordham are.

PP is desperate to paint Michigan as mediocre. It's pathetic.

Hey PP -- at Georgetown, most upperclassmen live off-campus. Is Georgetown a commuter school too?

It is another school that can't come close to creating a similar residential environment to most of the Ivy League and many other schools including LACs. If you look at Georgetown, although it is a fine school, it has a relatively low alumni giving rate and endowment compared to the schools that are more residential. I think there is a correlation.

Yet Michigan has massive alumni loyalty. I'm married to a Michigan alum and the loyalty is almost cultish. Michigan's endowment is $12 billion, the 9th highest in the country. Residential housing doesn't have the impact you think it does.

Your argument is specious. Just stop trying to make Michigan mediocre. It's not.

It is a huge school that does have a large endowment. It is way behind a lot of schools on a per capita basis. What percentage of Michigan's cultishly loyal alumni actually give back to the school vs. root for Big Blue vs Army? How does that percentage compare to other schools? Is it anywhere remotely close?

And what is the breakdown of that massive endowment? How much belongs to the medical center and benefits no undergraduates? How much to the Law School? Graduate Business? Athletics?

And how much of undergraduate tuition that undergraduates pay actually is siphoned off to pay for research (without them even knowing it)? $524M in research is funded by Institutional (Internal) sources? Where do you think that comes from?

Do you think that's any different than the other major R1 universities? You're truly ignorant.

They are certainly not alone, but Michigan puts much more institutional funds into research than any other university, and substantially more on a per capita basis than almost all other schools. A lot of your tuition (and student loan debt) is going off to fund research.

Rankings don't make sense, it makes more sense to put schools in categories and It's wrong to equate Elite schools with intellect.

Top Intellectual: Princeton, Caltech, MIT, UChicago, Harvey Mudd

Most Powerful Elite: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Williams, Amherst

Top "Striver" schools aka Top Public: UCLA, Berkeley, UMich, UVA, GTech

Generic Elite: rest of USnews Top 30 + Swarthmore, Middlebury,Pomona, Bowdoin

Good Schools: rest of USnews Top 30-50 + rest of USnews liberal arts top 20

Decent schools: USnews 50-100 + rest of USnews liberal 20-40 + Top 3 of each Regional USnews rank

Generic schools. USnews 100-200 + rest of USnews liberal arts + rest of Regional USnews rank

"It's really what you make of it" schools. Unranked in USnews

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not a "commuter school" the way George Mason or Fordham are.

PP is desperate to paint Michigan as mediocre. It's pathetic.

Hey PP -- at Georgetown, most upperclassmen live off-campus. Is Georgetown a commuter school too?

It is another school that can't come close to creating a similar residential environment to most of the Ivy League and many other schools including LACs. If you look at Georgetown, although it is a fine school, it has a relatively low alumni giving rate and endowment compared to the schools that are more residential. I think there is a correlation.

Yet Michigan has massive alumni loyalty. I'm married to a Michigan alum and the loyalty is almost cultish. Michigan's endowment is $12 billion, the 9th highest in the country. Residential housing doesn't have the impact you think it does.

Your argument is specious. Just stop trying to make Michigan mediocre. It's not.

It is a huge school that does have a large endowment. It is way behind a lot of schools on a per capita basis. What percentage of Michigan's cultishly loyal alumni actually give back to the school vs. root for Big Blue vs Army? How does that percentage compare to other schools? Is it anywhere remotely close?

And what is the breakdown of that massive endowment? How much belongs to the medical center and benefits no undergraduates? How much to the Law School? Graduate Business? Athletics?

oh I see. You're trying to paint Michigan as a brainless sports-obsessed school.

Per student endowment doesn't tell the whole story. You know which school has the 2nd highest per student endowment? Soka University of America. It's higher than Harvard. Explain that to me. Does that mean Soka is better than Harvard?

Why don't you tell me how much money goes to Harvard undergrads as opposed to the law school?

You Google well! Which one is first? Princeton. Which school is first in USNWR? Princeton.

And is Soka second? No.

In fact, there's little correlation between USNWR and per capita endowment. One alignment doesn't equal a correlation.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not a "commuter school" the way George Mason or Fordham are.

PP is desperate to paint Michigan as mediocre. It's pathetic.

Hey PP -- at Georgetown, most upperclassmen live off-campus. Is Georgetown a commuter school too?

It is another school that can't come close to creating a similar residential environment to most of the Ivy League and many other schools including LACs. If you look at Georgetown, although it is a fine school, it has a relatively low alumni giving rate and endowment compared to the schools that are more residential. I think there is a correlation.

Yet Michigan has massive alumni loyalty. I'm married to a Michigan alum and the loyalty is almost cultish. Michigan's endowment is $12 billion, the 9th highest in the country. Residential housing doesn't have the impact you think it does.

Your argument is specious. Just stop trying to make Michigan mediocre. It's not.

It is a huge school that does have a large endowment. It is way behind a lot of schools on a per capita basis. What percentage of Michigan's cultishly loyal alumni actually give back to the school vs. root for Big Blue vs Army? How does that percentage compare to other schools? Is it anywhere remotely close?

And what is the breakdown of that massive endowment? How much belongs to the medical center and benefits no undergraduates? How much to the Law School? Graduate Business? Athletics?

oh I see. You're trying to paint Michigan as a brainless sports-obsessed school.

Per student endowment doesn't tell the whole story. You know which school has the 2nd highest per student endowment? Soka University of America. It's higher than Harvard. Explain that to me. Does that mean Soka is better than Harvard?

Why don't you tell me how much money goes to Harvard undergrads as opposed to the law school?

You Google well! Which one is first? Princeton. Which school is first in USNWR? Princeton.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not a "commuter school" the way George Mason or Fordham are.

PP is desperate to paint Michigan as mediocre. It's pathetic.

Hey PP -- at Georgetown, most upperclassmen live off-campus. Is Georgetown a commuter school too?

It is another school that can't come close to creating a similar residential environment to most of the Ivy League and many other schools including LACs. If you look at Georgetown, although it is a fine school, it has a relatively low alumni giving rate and endowment compared to the schools that are more residential. I think there is a correlation.

Yet Michigan has massive alumni loyalty. I'm married to a Michigan alum and the loyalty is almost cultish. Michigan's endowment is $12 billion, the 9th highest in the country. Residential housing doesn't have the impact you think it does.

Your argument is specious. Just stop trying to make Michigan mediocre. It's not.

It is a huge school that does have a large endowment. It is way behind a lot of schools on a per capita basis. What percentage of Michigan's cultishly loyal alumni actually give back to the school vs. root for Big Blue vs Army? How does that percentage compare to other schools? Is it anywhere remotely close?

And what is the breakdown of that massive endowment? How much belongs to the medical center and benefits no undergraduates? How much to the Law School? Graduate Business? Athletics?

And how much of undergraduate tuition that undergraduates pay actually is siphoned off to pay for research (without them even knowing it)? $524M in research is funded by Institutional (Internal) sources? Where do you think that comes from?

Do you think that's any different than the other major R1 universities? You're truly ignorant.

Anonymous wrote:Michigan's liberal arts college (LSA) is in fact a brainless, sports and cocaine and binge drinking obsessed school. Terrific engineering and grad programs, but LSA is a rah-rah frat life easy A's diploma mill.

Evidence that the partying at Michigan is any worse than at any number of other academically strong schools?

Harvard has infamous frat parties that have their fair share of cocaine and binge drinking. I went to a prep school -- trust me, those kids do TONS of drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not a "commuter school" the way George Mason or Fordham are.

PP is desperate to paint Michigan as mediocre. It's pathetic.

Hey PP -- at Georgetown, most upperclassmen live off-campus. Is Georgetown a commuter school too?

It is another school that can't come close to creating a similar residential environment to most of the Ivy League and many other schools including LACs. If you look at Georgetown, although it is a fine school, it has a relatively low alumni giving rate and endowment compared to the schools that are more residential. I think there is a correlation.

Yet Michigan has massive alumni loyalty. I'm married to a Michigan alum and the loyalty is almost cultish. Michigan's endowment is $12 billion, the 9th highest in the country. Residential housing doesn't have the impact you think it does.

Your argument is specious. Just stop trying to make Michigan mediocre. It's not.

It is a huge school that does have a large endowment. It is way behind a lot of schools on a per capita basis. What percentage of Michigan's cultishly loyal alumni actually give back to the school vs. root for Big Blue vs Army? How does that percentage compare to other schools? Is it anywhere remotely close?

And what is the breakdown of that massive endowment? How much belongs to the medical center and benefits no undergraduates? How much to the Law School? Graduate Business? Athletics?

And how much of undergraduate tuition that undergraduates pay actually is siphoned off to pay for research (without them even knowing it)? $524M in research is funded by Institutional (Internal) sources? Where do you think that comes from?

Michigan's liberal arts college (LSA) is in fact a brainless, sports and cocaine and binge drinking obsessed school. Terrific engineering and grad programs, but LSA is a rah-rah frat life easy A's diploma mill.

Also: Big Blue isn't a nickname for Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not a "commuter school" the way George Mason or Fordham are.

PP is desperate to paint Michigan as mediocre. It's pathetic.

Hey PP -- at Georgetown, most upperclassmen live off-campus. Is Georgetown a commuter school too?

It is another school that can't come close to creating a similar residential environment to most of the Ivy League and many other schools including LACs. If you look at Georgetown, although it is a fine school, it has a relatively low alumni giving rate and endowment compared to the schools that are more residential. I think there is a correlation.

Yet Michigan has massive alumni loyalty. I'm married to a Michigan alum and the loyalty is almost cultish. Michigan's endowment is $12 billion, the 9th highest in the country. Residential housing doesn't have the impact you think it does.

Your argument is specious. Just stop trying to make Michigan mediocre. It's not.

It is a huge school that does have a large endowment. It is way behind a lot of schools on a per capita basis. What percentage of Michigan's cultishly loyal alumni actually give back to the school vs. root for Big Blue vs Army? How does that percentage compare to other schools? Is it anywhere remotely close?

And what is the breakdown of that massive endowment? How much belongs to the medical center and benefits no undergraduates? How much to the Law School? Graduate Business? Athletics?

oh I see. You're trying to paint Michigan as a brainless sports-obsessed school.

Per student endowment doesn't tell the whole story. You know which school has the 2nd highest per student endowment? Soka University of America. It's higher than Harvard. Explain that to me. Does that mean Soka is better than Harvard?

Why don't you tell me how much money goes to Harvard undergrads as opposed to the law school?

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Anonymous wrote:Statistically it is wrong to to assign a numerical store to individual schools because the margin of error of its data sources is greater than the difference of the scores.

They should rank schools in tiers:

1. Super elite tier (1 - 5): HYPMS

2. Elite tier (6 - 14): Caltech, Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern

3. Top tier (15 - 30): These schools are equals in terms of prestige and rankings -- Rice, Hopkins, Vandy, Wash U, Notre Dame, UVA, Michigan, UCLA, Cal, CMU, Emory, Georgetown, NYU, USC, Georgia Tech, UNC Chapel Hill

Except, Tier Person, Wake Forest now outranks UVA.

OK, See the definitive list above for the top three tiers.

Tulane?????

I missed Wash U at St. Louis. Tulane should be dropped from the top tier.