Anonymous
09/02/2019 20:48
Subject: Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's a lot to ask that the default be open disclosure to parents of freshman. It should have to be turned off by the student upon request. OF COURSE the colleges are wholly against this sort of disclosure because they want to control your kids and brush everything under the rug.
That's called nudging. Just like with organ donors, much more opt-in when it's just default.
Once again, for the terminally stupid . . .
That.Does.Not.Comply.With.The.Law. Unless the freshman is 17, which few are, and virtually none for the entire year.
Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid has received a dorm infraction for alcohol, noise violation, drugs, found passed out in a hallway. Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid hasn't shown up for class in 2 or 3 weeks.
FERPA
At 18, all of the privacy rights provided by FERPA belong to the student.
https://studentprivacy.ed.gov/faq/what-ferpa
There is no law preventing colleges from emailing parents a notification the child has been absent from class or had a run-in with campus police.
FERPA makes attendance and disciplinary records of the student his/hers to reveal or not. FERPA is an acronym that stands for the Federal Educational Rights and Privacy Act. So yes, there is “a law.” It’s the opposite of what you assert.
Anonymous
09/02/2019 20:39
Subject: Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's a lot to ask that the default be open disclosure to parents of freshman. It should have to be turned off by the student upon request. OF COURSE the colleges are wholly against this sort of disclosure because they want to control your kids and brush everything under the rug.
That's called nudging. Just like with organ donors, much more opt-in when it's just default.
Once again, for the terminally stupid . . .
That.Does.Not.Comply.With.The.Law. Unless the freshman is 17, which few are, and virtually none for the entire year.
Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid has received a dorm infraction for alcohol, noise violation, drugs, found passed out in a hallway. Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid hasn't shown up for class in 2 or 3 weeks.
FERPA
At 18, all of the privacy rights provided by FERPA belong to the student.
https://studentprivacy.ed.gov/faq/what-ferpa
There is no law preventing colleges from emailing parents a notification the child has been absent from class or had a run-in with campus police.
Anonymous
09/02/2019 09:53
Subject: Re:Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Higher education used to operate legally “in loco parents,” and laws changed starting in the ‘60s such that they now do not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentis
The law of the land changed in the 1960s. Current laws have been in place for approximately 70 years.
When Mom went to college in the 1950s boys were locked out of the dorm and the dorm had a "house mother" who
protected the girls "innocence." Girls were not allowed in the boys dorms either.
Both Mom and Dad also had maids that cleaned their dorm rooms as part of their dorm fees. I'm not sure if the
maids were daily or weekly. Mom and Dad were at a state college (not private).
Alcohol has been problematic in college settings for 100's of years. Gambling used to be a problem in the 1800s.
Back in the day, the girl's had curfews and had to be back to the dorm by a certain hour or they would get into trouble. Men were not allowed in the building. At my mom's school attendance at the meals in the dining hall were mandatory and served family style. No skipping dinner and heading out for pizza w/o getting permission. If they were planning to go home for the weekend or take an overnight trip they had to inform the house mother of their plans in advance.
Times were better then. Now Ivory Tower lunatic hippies get off on kids going nuts. If a few die, develop addictions, get sexually assaulted, so be it.
Times were not better then. Students died, were sexually assaulted, and developed addictions back then too. Women had sex, got pregnant, dropped out to get married and have children (or were sent away until they gave their children up for adoption), had illegal and unsafe abortions.
Anonymous
09/02/2019 09:45
Subject: Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's a lot to ask that the default be open disclosure to parents of freshman. It should have to be turned off by the student upon request. OF COURSE the colleges are wholly against this sort of disclosure because they want to control your kids and brush everything under the rug.
That's called nudging. Just like with organ donors, much more opt-in when it's just default.
Once again, for the terminally stupid . . .
That.Does.Not.Comply.With.The.Law. Unless the freshman is 17, which few are, and virtually none for the entire year.
Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid has received a dorm infraction for alcohol, noise violation, drugs, found passed out in a hallway. Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid hasn't shown up for class in 2 or 3 weeks.
FERPA
At 18, all of the privacy rights provided by FERPA belong to the student.
https://studentprivacy.ed.gov/faq/what-ferpa
How to fix this nonsense??
Congress could "fix this nonsense" if enough members agreed it was a problem. But they seem unable and unwilling to get anything done these days, I would not hold out hope. The universities and colleges would also strongly lobby against this and have significant sway.
IF this really bugs you, send your son or daughter to a college that doesn't take federal dollars, have them live at home while attending a local college, or skip college altogether. Three good choices. But you can't send an adult to live elsewhere and expect them to be treated as minors.
Anonymous
09/02/2019 09:43
Subject: Re:Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Choose a college where they can commute.
Anonymous
09/02/2019 09:21
Subject: Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's a lot to ask that the default be open disclosure to parents of freshman. It should have to be turned off by the student upon request. OF COURSE the colleges are wholly against this sort of disclosure because they want to control your kids and brush everything under the rug.
That's called nudging. Just like with organ donors, much more opt-in when it's just default.
Once again, for the terminally stupid . . .
That.Does.Not.Comply.With.The.Law. Unless the freshman is 17, which few are, and virtually none for the entire year.
Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid has received a dorm infraction for alcohol, noise violation, drugs, found passed out in a hallway. Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid hasn't shown up for class in 2 or 3 weeks.
FERPA
At 18, all of the privacy rights provided by FERPA belong to the student.
https://studentprivacy.ed.gov/faq/what-ferpa
How to fix this nonsense??
Anonymous
08/31/2019 20:38
Subject: Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's a lot to ask that the default be open disclosure to parents of freshman. It should have to be turned off by the student upon request. OF COURSE the colleges are wholly against this sort of disclosure because they want to control your kids and brush everything under the rug.
That's called nudging. Just like with organ donors, much more opt-in when it's just default.
Once again, for the terminally stupid . . .
That.Does.Not.Comply.With.The.Law. Unless the freshman is 17, which few are, and virtually none for the entire year.
Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid has received a dorm infraction for alcohol, noise violation, drugs, found passed out in a hallway. Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid hasn't shown up for class in 2 or 3 weeks.
FERPA
At 18, all of the privacy rights provided by FERPA belong to the student.
https://studentprivacy.ed.gov/faq/what-ferpa
Anonymous
08/31/2019 18:23
Subject: Re:Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Higher education used to operate legally “in loco parents,” and laws changed starting in the ‘60s such that they now do not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentis
The law of the land changed in the 1960s. Current laws have been in place for approximately 70 years.
When Mom went to college in the 1950s boys were locked out of the dorm and the dorm had a "house mother" who
protected the girls "innocence." Girls were not allowed in the boys dorms either.
Both Mom and Dad also had maids that cleaned their dorm rooms as part of their dorm fees. I'm not sure if the
maids were daily or weekly. Mom and Dad were at a state college (not private).
Alcohol has been problematic in college settings for 100's of years. Gambling used to be a problem in the 1800s.
Back in the day, the girl's had curfews and had to be back to the dorm by a certain hour or they would get into trouble. Men were not allowed in the building. At my mom's school attendance at the meals in the dining hall were mandatory and served family style. No skipping dinner and heading out for pizza w/o getting permission. If they were planning to go home for the weekend or take an overnight trip they had to inform the house mother of their plans in advance.
Times were better then. Now Ivory Tower lunatic hippies get off on kids going nuts. If a few die, develop addictions, get sexually assaulted, so be it.
Anonymous
08/31/2019 18:21
Subject: Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's a lot to ask that the default be open disclosure to parents of freshman. It should have to be turned off by the student upon request. OF COURSE the colleges are wholly against this sort of disclosure because they want to control your kids and brush everything under the rug.
That's called nudging. Just like with organ donors, much more opt-in when it's just default.
Once again, for the terminally stupid . . .
That.Does.Not.Comply.With.The.Law. Unless the freshman is 17, which few are, and virtually none for the entire year.
Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid has received a dorm infraction for alcohol, noise violation, drugs, found passed out in a hallway. Cite the "law" about emailing parents a notification your kid hasn't shown up for class in 2 or 3 weeks.
Anonymous
08/31/2019 15:11
Subject: Re:Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Your premise is wrong OP. These aren't children. They are young adults. They are old enough to get married without permission. They can enter the military without permission. They can sign for their own healthcare without permission. They can sign a contract and be financially responsible for that contract without permission.
If you don't like paying for school without knowing what your adult student is doing then don't pay for it. You are not legally obligated to pay for another adult's education, room or board.
If you don't like paying for school without knowing what your adult student is doing then don't pay for it. You are not legally obligated to pay for another adult's education, room or board.
Anonymous
08/31/2019 10:51
Subject: Re:Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Higher education used to operate legally “in loco parents,” and laws changed starting in the ‘60s such that they now do not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentis
The law of the land changed in the 1960s. Current laws have been in place for approximately 70 years.
When Mom went to college in the 1950s boys were locked out of the dorm and the dorm had a "house mother" who
protected the girls "innocence." Girls were not allowed in the boys dorms either.
Both Mom and Dad also had maids that cleaned their dorm rooms as part of their dorm fees. I'm not sure if the
maids were daily or weekly. Mom and Dad were at a state college (not private).
Alcohol has been problematic in college settings for 100's of years. Gambling used to be a problem in the 1800s.
Back in the day, the girl's had curfews and had to be back to the dorm by a certain hour or they would get into trouble. Men were not allowed in the building. At my mom's school attendance at the meals in the dining hall were mandatory and served family style. No skipping dinner and heading out for pizza w/o getting permission. If they were planning to go home for the weekend or take an overnight trip they had to inform the house mother of their plans in advance.
Anonymous
08/31/2019 10:44
Subject: Re:Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Higher education used to operate legally “in loco parents,” and laws changed starting in the ‘60s such that they now do not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentis
The law of the land changed in the 1960s. Current laws have been in place for approximately 70 years.
When Mom went to college in the 1950s boys were locked out of the dorm and the dorm had a "house mother" who
protected the girls "innocence." Girls were not allowed in the boys dorms either.
Both Mom and Dad also had maids that cleaned their dorm rooms as part of their dorm fees. I'm not sure if the
maids were daily or weekly. Mom and Dad were at a state college (not private).
Alcohol has been problematic in college settings for 100's of years. Gambling used to be a problem in the 1800s.
Anonymous
08/31/2019 10:11
Subject: Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
For all that cash, parents must DEMAND better.
But you know you have to take your demands to your elected officials because your issue is with the law. Or do you think colleges should just ignore laws?
While you’re at it, why not make the age of majority 25?
Might as well make it 30. After all, if the child isn't capable of self monitoring 7 years post HS, why on earth would they be capable of independent living 12 years post HS?
Anonymous
08/31/2019 10:02
Subject: Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's a lot to ask that the default be open disclosure to parents of freshman. It should have to be turned off by the student upon request. OF COURSE the colleges are wholly against this sort of disclosure because they want to control your kids and brush everything under the rug.
That's called nudging. Just like with organ donors, much more opt-in when it's just default.
Once again, for the terminally stupid . . .
That.Does.Not.Comply.With.The.Law. Unless the freshman is 17, which few are, and virtually none for the entire year.
Anonymous
08/31/2019 09:59
Subject: Parents are NOT notified by the college if the child gets in trouble, e.g. drugs, alcohol in dorm?
I don't think it's a lot to ask that the default be open disclosure to parents of freshman. It should have to be turned off by the student upon request. OF COURSE the colleges are wholly against this sort of disclosure because they want to control your kids and brush everything under the rug.
That's called nudging. Just like with organ donors, much more opt-in when it's just default.
That's called nudging. Just like with organ donors, much more opt-in when it's just default.