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Anonymous wrote:The very good state schools on this list need no introduction. Most people think William and Mary is a private college because the school apparently does a terrible job of selling itself.

But William and Mary is perhaps more like some of the Ivy League schools (Dartmouth, Brown, Princeton) than the others in that it is similar in size (# of undergraduates), residential nature, and history. Most of the others, although fine schools, don't have those things in common. They are probably closest to Cornell.

I don’t believe anybody other yourself would be dim witted enough to group Cornell with UVM, Miami of Ohio, etc.

You are quick to insult and slow to read for context. The comment was about size of undergraduate enrollment and residential nature. It was not about relative prestige. For example, Harvard has 6,800 undergraduates and 98% live on campus. Yale, Princeton, Brown, and Dartmouth are similar in size and residential nature. Penn and Columbia are slightly larger. Cornell has 15,200 undergraduates and 52% live on campus. The "Public Ivies" are typically much larger. Berkeley is about 31,000 undergraduates with 27% living off campus. Miami of Ohio is clearly less prestigious than Cornell or Berkeley, but it is similar to Cornell in that it has 17,300 undergraduates with 45% living on campus.

The term reeks of insecurity.

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Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Ivy League isn't as much of a thing as it used to be. It's simply a shorthand term for top colleges. I have known educated people who didn't know that Stanford and MIT weren't Ivy League. For all practical purposes, I would say that these two schools are more "Ivy League" than schools like Dartmouth and Brown in which the general public is less familiar with.

It is exactly as it always has been - a sports conference.

Oh stop with that stupid "it's only a sports conference" thing -- you even disagree with it in your second sentence.

Words have meanings beyond the literal. Something is what people understand it to mean, and if you think when someone says "Ivy League" the first thing they think of is sports then you are deluded.

I'm not saying Ivy League schools are better than any other schools, but let's retire useless canards and discuss reality like adults.

You are mixing up posters.

Connotations are not "real". The only "real" thing is a group of 8 colleges/universities that form a sports conference. There are no public university equivalents of that organization.

People can use those terms to mean different things, but they aren't "real".

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Anonymous wrote:The original author's intent was simply to show you didn't have to spend a lot to get an Ivy-like education. Original list was:

College of William & Mary
Miami University (Oxford, Ohio)
University of California (all campuses)
University of Michigan
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont
University of Virginia

I imagine if he was writing it today, the list would be different.

Well, Vermont and Miami University of Ohio (whatever that is) would be off the list.

Hey man, Miami University is one of just four universities to produce both a President of the United States and a Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

(It's actually a very good school for undergraduates).

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Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Ivy League isn't as much of a thing as it used to be. It's simply a shorthand term for top colleges. I have known educated people who didn't know that Stanford and MIT weren't Ivy League. For all practical purposes, I would say that these two schools are more "Ivy League" than schools like Dartmouth and Brown in which the general public is less familiar with.

It is exactly as it always has been - a sports conference.

Oh stop with that stupid "it's only a sports conference" thing -- you even disagree with it in your second sentence.

Words have meanings beyond the literal. Something is what people understand it to mean, and if you think when someone says "Ivy League" the first thing they think of is sports then you are deluded.

I'm not saying Ivy League schools are better than any other schools, but let's retire useless canards and discuss reality like adults.

I'm not sure who you are addressing here. But I am the poster who wrote everything above, except for "It's what it's always been - a sports conference", and the point I was making is is that no the Ivy League ISN'T just a sports conference. In fact, hardly anyone talks about it in terms of the sports conference connection.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Ivy League isn't as much of a thing as it used to be. It's simply a shorthand term for top colleges. I have known educated people who didn't know that Stanford and MIT weren't Ivy League. For all practical purposes, I would say that these two schools are more "Ivy League" than schools like Dartmouth and Brown in which the general public is less familiar with.

It is exactly as it always has been - a sports conference.

Oh stop with that stupid "it's only a sports conference" thing -- you even disagree with it in your second sentence.

Words have meanings beyond the literal. Something is what people understand it to mean, and if you think when someone says "Ivy League" the first thing they think of is sports then you are deluded.

I'm not saying Ivy League schools are better than any other schools, but let's retire useless canards and discuss reality like adults.

You must be new here...

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Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Ivy League isn't as much of a thing as it used to be. It's simply a shorthand term for top colleges. I have known educated people who didn't know that Stanford and MIT weren't Ivy League. For all practical purposes, I would say that these two schools are more "Ivy League" than schools like Dartmouth and Brown in which the general public is less familiar with.

It is exactly as it always has been - a sports conference.

Oh stop with that stupid "it's only a sports conference" thing -- you even disagree with it in your second sentence.

Words have meanings beyond the literal. Something is what people understand it to mean, and if you think when someone says "Ivy League" the first thing they think of is sports then you are deluded.

I'm not saying Ivy League schools are better than any other schools, but let's retire useless canards and discuss reality like adults.

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Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Ivy League isn't as much of a thing as it used to be. It's simply a shorthand term for top colleges. I have known educated people who didn't know that Stanford and MIT weren't Ivy League. For all practical purposes, I would say that these two schools are more "Ivy League" than schools like Dartmouth and Brown in which the general public is less familiar with.

It is exactly as it always has been - a sports conference.

Yes, but when people talk about the Ivy League, they aren't using it in reference to a sports conference, they are using it as a short hand for the top schools in the country. The typical American outside of the NE doesn't even know that Ivy League got it's name from a sports conference.

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Ivy League isn't as much of a thing as it used to be. It's simply a shorthand term for top colleges. I have known educated people who didn't know that Stanford and MIT weren't Ivy League. For all practical purposes, I would say that these two schools are more "Ivy League" than schools like Dartmouth and Brown in which the general public is less familiar with.

It is exactly as it always has been - a sports conference.

I would argue that Ivy League isn't as much of a thing as it used to be. It's simply a shorthand term for top colleges. I have known educated people who didn't know that Stanford and MIT weren't Ivy League. For all practical purposes, I would say that these two schools are more "Ivy League" than schools like Dartmouth and Brown in which the general public is less familiar with.

Anonymous wrote:No, it's not really a thing.

I think "little ivies" may be a thing though. ONly because my upper crust, Radcliffe educated, new england grandmother spoke of them. She could have been wrong though.

She was wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:The very good state schools on this list need no introduction. Most people think William and Mary is a private college because the school apparently does a terrible job of selling itself.

But William and Mary is perhaps more like some of the Ivy League schools (Dartmouth, Brown, Princeton) than the others in that it is similar in size (# of undergraduates), residential nature, and history. Most of the others, although fine schools, don't have those things in common. They are probably closest to Cornell.

I don’t believe anybody other yourself would be dim witted enough to group Cornell with UVM, Miami of Ohio, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The original author's intent was simply to show you didn't have to spend a lot to get an Ivy-like education. Original list was:

College of William & Mary
Miami University (Oxford, Ohio)
University of California (all campuses)
University of Michigan
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont
University of Virginia

I imagine if he was writing it today, the list would be different.

Well, Vermont and Miami University of Ohio (whatever that is) would be off the list.

Clearly you haven't investigated them. Excellent undergraduate teaching! Merit aid is outstanding!

So not very Ivy-esque.

The merit aid part of your statement is correct, but Princeton and Brown frequently place at the very top of undergraduate teaching rankings.

Anonymous wrote:The very good state schools on this list need no introduction. Most people think William and Mary is a private college because the school apparently does a terrible job of selling itself.

But William and Mary is perhaps more like some of the Ivy League schools (Dartmouth, Brown, Princeton) than the others in that it is similar in size (# of undergraduates), residential nature, and history. Most of the others, although fine schools, don't have those things in common. They are probably closest to Cornell.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The original author's intent was simply to show you didn't have to spend a lot to get an Ivy-like education. Original list was:

College of William & Mary
Miami University (Oxford, Ohio)
University of California (all campuses)
University of Michigan
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont
University of Virginia

I imagine if he was writing it today, the list would be different.

Well, Vermont and Miami University of Ohio (whatever that is) would be off the list.

Clearly you haven't investigated them. Excellent undergraduate teaching! Merit aid is outstanding!

So not very Ivy-esque.