Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, the Justice Department is arguing that children don't need soap and are fine sleeping on concrete floors:

https://www.courthousenews.com/feds-tell-9th-circuit-detained-kids-safe-and-sanitary-without-soap/

The Trump administration argued in front of a Ninth Circuit panel Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, despite a settlement agreement that requires detainees be kept in “safe and sanitary” facilities.

All three judges appeared incredulous during the hearing in San Francisco, in which the Trump administration challenged previous legal findings that it is violating a landmark class action settlement by mistreating undocumented immigrant children at U.S. detention facilities.

“You’re really going to stand up and tell us that being able to sleep isn’t a question of safe and sanitary conditions?'” U.S. Circuit Judge Marsha Berzon asked the Justice Department’s Sarah Fabian Tuesday.

U.S. Circuit Judge William Fletcher also questioned the government’s interpretation of the settlement agreement.

“Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and you’ve got an aluminum foil blanket?” Fletcher asked Fabian. “I find that inconceivable that the government would say that that is safe and sanitary.”

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile this is what the Trump administration is doing to a teenager who had an emergency c-section:

At the Border Patrol’s Central Processing Center in McAllen, Tex. — often known as 'Ursula' — the lawyers encountered a 17-year-old mother from Guatemala who couldn’t stand because of complications from an emergency C-section, and who was caring for a sick and dirty premature baby.

'When we encountered the baby and her mom, the baby was filthy. They wouldn’t give her any water to wash her. And I took a Kleenex and I washed around her neck black dirt," said Hope Frye, who was leading the group, adding, "Not a little stuff — dirt."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/us/migrant-children-border-soap.html?fbclid=IwAR3NdbuikqX2Evk9Ho2s6-uy19ZB22ofsTvh5Z7XaFogkufXa79t_uUq4Lw

Kind of a bonehead move to come over in the first place.

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile this is what the Trump administration is doing to a teenager who had an emergency c-section:

At the Border Patrol’s Central Processing Center in McAllen, Tex. — often known as 'Ursula' — the lawyers encountered a 17-year-old mother from Guatemala who couldn’t stand because of complications from an emergency C-section, and who was caring for a sick and dirty premature baby.

'When we encountered the baby and her mom, the baby was filthy. They wouldn’t give her any water to wash her. And I took a Kleenex and I washed around her neck black dirt," said Hope Frye, who was leading the group, adding, "Not a little stuff — dirt."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/us/migrant-children-border-soap.html?fbclid=IwAR3NdbuikqX2Evk9Ho2s6-uy19ZB22ofsTvh5Z7XaFogkufXa79t_uUq4Lw

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile this is what the Trump administration is doing to a teenager who had an emergency c-section:

At the Border Patrol’s Central Processing Center in McAllen, Tex. — often known as 'Ursula' — the lawyers encountered a 17-year-old mother from Guatemala who couldn’t stand because of complications from an emergency C-section, and who was caring for a sick and dirty premature baby.

'When we encountered the baby and her mom, the baby was filthy. They wouldn’t give her any water to wash her. And I took a Kleenex and I washed around her neck black dirt," said Hope Frye, who was leading the group, adding, "Not a little stuff — dirt."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/us/migrant-children-border-soap.html?fbclid=IwAR3NdbuikqX2Evk9Ho2s6-uy19ZB22ofsTvh5Z7XaFogkufXa79t_uUq4Lw

It would be more convenient for Border Patrol if the baby died. Mom too.

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile this is what the Trump administration is doing to a teenager who had an emergency c-section:

At the Border Patrol’s Central Processing Center in McAllen, Tex. — often known as 'Ursula' — the lawyers encountered a 17-year-old mother from Guatemala who couldn’t stand because of complications from an emergency C-section, and who was caring for a sick and dirty premature baby.

'When we encountered the baby and her mom, the baby was filthy. They wouldn’t give her any water to wash her. And I took a Kleenex and I washed around her neck black dirt," said Hope Frye, who was leading the group, adding, "Not a little stuff — dirt."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/us/migrant-children-border-soap.html?fbclid=IwAR3NdbuikqX2Evk9Ho2s6-uy19ZB22ofsTvh5Z7XaFogkufXa79t_uUq4Lw

At the Border Patrol’s Central Processing Center in McAllen, Tex. — often known as 'Ursula' — the lawyers encountered a 17-year-old mother from Guatemala who couldn’t stand because of complications from an emergency C-section, and who was caring for a sick and dirty premature baby.

'When we encountered the baby and her mom, the baby was filthy. They wouldn’t give her any water to wash her. And I took a Kleenex and I washed around her neck black dirt," said Hope Frye, who was leading the group, adding, "Not a little stuff — dirt."

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Anonymous wrote:Congress controls the purse strings. The House is Democrat majority. Democrats own this just as much as Republicans.

The president doesn't control the purse strings.

Maybe a refresher on 3rd grade civics are in order for some of you

GOP held the purse strings for 2 years. If they cared so much they should have done something.

Why complain about Ds when your own party DGAF?

The crisis wasn't 2 years ago. It's now after building for months and officials warning congress this would happen

It was a “crisis” a year ago when the GOP still had the house and the senate.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/crisis-border-numbers/

June 20, 2018

WHAT WAS SAID
“What the president reiterated again yesterday, and he has said every day from when he sought this office, is we have a crisis of illegal immigration.”
— Vice President Mike Pence, meeting with members of Congress on Wednesday.

“These smugglers know these rules and regulations better than the people that drew them. As a result, there’s been a 325 percent increase in minors, and a 435 percent increase in the smuggling or attempted smuggling of families and minors into our country.”
— President Trump, speaking to the National Federation of Independent Businesses on Tuesday.

“In the last three months we've seen illegal immigration on our southern border exceed 50,000 people each month. Multiples over each month last year.”
— Kirstjen Nielsen, the homeland security secretary, at a news conference on Monday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/fact-check-trump-border-crossings-declining-.html

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just accept the only thing conservative here want to see are migrants lined up and shot dead. Their posts clearly lead in this direction. They exhibit zero compassion or empathy or even just a basic level of humanity towards them.

Wrong. Orderly repatriation to their home country is all that is necessary. You are ridiculous

This is not either or. Even if what you want is orderly repatriation - from the moment you collect the children and hold them in detention centers while you await the orderly repatriation, you have to feed them, clothe them, keep them safe. The government is failing at this most basic, most important duty. The serious maltreatment of these children is either intentional or negligent, and either way it is immoral.

Well the ideal is a physicall barrier fro entry in the first place, but I was referring to what to do with the ones already here.

This is clogging up the system from people who actually need asylum.

There is no wall. That is not how this gets fixed. You want to talk about walls - and refuse to talk about anything else. And meanwhile, LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING. This is happening in our country, on our watch, and you f*cking morons will only bark on about walls.

JFC you are like a dog with a bone but at least dogs are charming and cute.

Are you saying no compromise is possible? That Congress cant addres this by allocating more money for toothbrushes (and as we all know that the tip of the iceberg on money needed for these children) and more or a border barrier? Why one or the other? I'm curious.

Democrats offered money for the wall. Trump turned it down.

So let's just abuse children now. Richest country in the world. American exceptionalism. We set the standard for how things ought to be. Let's abuse children in jail because we can't find the money to pay for toothbrushes. Need to spend all that cash on Trump going golfing

More than $100 million of taxpayer dollars spent for Trump to go golfing. I think we can come up with some toothbrushes

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-golf-102-million-report-1432550

Actually we can’t. Trumps president. These kids are illegals, so...

And lord knows we can’t interrupt Dear Leader’s golf game to prevent children’s deaths.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just accept the only thing conservative here want to see are migrants lined up and shot dead. Their posts clearly lead in this direction. They exhibit zero compassion or empathy or even just a basic level of humanity towards them.

Wrong. Orderly repatriation to their home country is all that is necessary. You are ridiculous

This is not either or. Even if what you want is orderly repatriation - from the moment you collect the children and hold them in detention centers while you await the orderly repatriation, you have to feed them, clothe them, keep them safe. The government is failing at this most basic, most important duty. The serious maltreatment of these children is either intentional or negligent, and either way it is immoral.

Well the ideal is a physicall barrier fro entry in the first place, but I was referring to what to do with the ones already here.

This is clogging up the system from people who actually need asylum.

There is no wall. That is not how this gets fixed. You want to talk about walls - and refuse to talk about anything else. And meanwhile, LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING. This is happening in our country, on our watch, and you f*cking morons will only bark on about walls.

JFC you are like a dog with a bone but at least dogs are charming and cute.

Are you saying no compromise is possible? That Congress cant addres this by allocating more money for toothbrushes (and as we all know that the tip of the iceberg on money needed for these children) and more or a border barrier? Why one or the other? I'm curious.

Democrats offered money for the wall. Trump turned it down.

So let's just abuse children now. Richest country in the world. American exceptionalism. We set the standard for how things ought to be. Let's abuse children in jail because we can't find the money to pay for toothbrushes. Need to spend all that cash on Trump going golfing

More than $100 million of taxpayer dollars spent for Trump to go golfing. I think we can come up with some toothbrushes

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-golf-102-million-report-1432550

Actually we can’t. Trumps president. These kids are illegals, so...

Anonymous wrote:Can't the (American) Red Cross provide relief? They excel in handling basics, logistics, and more for the masses. And it would (temporarily) relieve the cost too.
And if Americans want to show their support, their contributions to RC would be a tangible way to do so.