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Anonymous wrote:you miss the point. Legally, you do have the right of way. Pedestrians have to more defensive, because you’re not in car. You have to be more vigilant so you don’t die

No, we get your point. I just wonder why you and others keep making it. There is not a person over the age of 3 or so who doesn't understand that getting hit by a car can kill you. Which is why the burden is on drivers to not kill people with their cars.

Lol. You said you get the point, while clearly explaining that you don’t. Number 1, I’m a slow driver that almost pisses people off. I don’t get distracted in my car. You leave the burden to the millions of drivers and millions of different personalities out there or do what some of us suggest, make eye contact, make sure that car is stopping. Do what you want, I’m trying to tell you that I see these head in the clouds pedestrians all the time. I won’t take them out. Someone will. I’m a great driver

But "make eye contact" doesn't work.

And as for "make sure that the car is stopping" - You know what behavior is most effective in getting car drivers to stop? Aggressively walking out into the street - exactly what you are advising people to not do. And you know what is least effective? Doing what you are advising people to do.

OMG, do you have a death wish? Go ahead and aggressively walk out in the street without looking both ways. Your mom will then put a leash on you if you don't die first. BTW, impressive a toddler can read and type.

Nobody is talking about walking out into the street without looking both ways.

But the fact is that if you stand on the side of the road waiting for drivers to stop, you will be standing there for a long time - because most drivers won't stop, even the law says that they have to.

Your advice for safe walking basically boils down to "Don't walk anywhere with any convenience; or, better yet, just don't walk anywhere at all."

Thanks but I haven't given any advice on this thread. I actually don't find it that challenging to walk across the road.

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Anonymous wrote:you miss the point. Legally, you do have the right of way. Pedestrians have to more defensive, because you’re not in car. You have to be more vigilant so you don’t die

No, we get your point. I just wonder why you and others keep making it. There is not a person over the age of 3 or so who doesn't understand that getting hit by a car can kill you. Which is why the burden is on drivers to not kill people with their cars.

Lol. You said you get the point, while clearly explaining that you don’t. Number 1, I’m a slow driver that almost pisses people off. I don’t get distracted in my car. You leave the burden to the millions of drivers and millions of different personalities out there or do what some of us suggest, make eye contact, make sure that car is stopping. Do what you want, I’m trying to tell you that I see these head in the clouds pedestrians all the time. I won’t take them out. Someone will. I’m a great driver

But "make eye contact" doesn't work.

And as for "make sure that the car is stopping" - You know what behavior is most effective in getting car drivers to stop? Aggressively walking out into the street - exactly what you are advising people to not do. And you know what is least effective? Doing what you are advising people to do.

OMG, do you have a death wish? Go ahead and aggressively walk out in the street without looking both ways. Your mom will then put a leash on you if you don't die first. BTW, impressive a toddler can read and type.

Nobody is talking about walking out into the street without looking both ways.

But the fact is that if you stand on the side of the road waiting for drivers to stop, you will be standing there for a long time - because most drivers won't stop, even the law says that they have to.

Your advice for safe walking basically boils down to "Don't walk anywhere with any convenience; or, better yet, just don't walk anywhere at all."

If a pedestrian is hit by a car, the driver of the car that hit the pedestrian is usually (but not always) considered to be at fault, even if the pedestrian was not in a crosswalk. A driver who hits a pedestrian in a crosswalk will have almost no chance of avoiding liability.

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Anonymous wrote:you miss the point. Legally, you do have the right of way. Pedestrians have to more defensive, because you’re not in car. You have to be more vigilant so you don’t die

No, we get your point. I just wonder why you and others keep making it. There is not a person over the age of 3 or so who doesn't understand that getting hit by a car can kill you. Which is why the burden is on drivers to not kill people with their cars.

Lol. You said you get the point, while clearly explaining that you don’t. Number 1, I’m a slow driver that almost pisses people off. I don’t get distracted in my car. You leave the burden to the millions of drivers and millions of different personalities out there or do what some of us suggest, make eye contact, make sure that car is stopping. Do what you want, I’m trying to tell you that I see these head in the clouds pedestrians all the time. I won’t take them out. Someone will. I’m a great driver

But "make eye contact" doesn't work.

And as for "make sure that the car is stopping" - You know what behavior is most effective in getting car drivers to stop? Aggressively walking out into the street - exactly what you are advising people to not do. And you know what is least effective? Doing what you are advising people to do.

OMG, do you have a death wish? Go ahead and aggressively walk out in the street without looking both ways. Your mom will then put a leash on you if you don't die first. BTW, impressive a toddler can read and type.

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There are tons of studies and they are effective.

Blair HS students did a whole education program to stop students from being hit by cars and since then no pedestrians have been hit. Guess what... they educated pedestrians. Not drivers.

That's false. Plenty of pedestrians have been hit in that area. Here, you can look at the data yourself:

https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Crash-Reporting-Non-Motorists-Data/n7fk-dce5

It's a terrible place to walk. Very dangerous for pedestrians. Not so great for drivers, either - lots of vehicle collisions as well.

Sorry, no students who are pedestrians and yes it’s 2 very dangerous intersection so the education program is very effective.

Also not true.

Instead of putting the onus on people - including high school students - to behave perfectly at all times while walking, let's try to make roads around Blair HS less dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:Start observing pedestrians more. You’ll be shocked at how absent minded they are. Also, by looking at car, instead of straight, you can tell if a car is slowing down. You need to keep looking, even if you have walk signal, but do what you want.

People, in general, are absent-minded. If pedestrians' absent-minded behavior truly endangered pedestrians, there would be 100 times as many pedestrians struck and killed as there actually are.

My suggestion is for you to stop observing pedestrian behavior and start observing the road conditions where drivers strike pedestrians.

Except it is rare for a pedestrian struck call is the drivers fault it’s almost always the fault of the pedestrian.

No, the data don't support your assertion.

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Anonymous wrote:Start observing pedestrians more. You’ll be shocked at how absent minded they are. Also, by looking at car, instead of straight, you can tell if a car is slowing down. You need to keep looking, even if you have walk signal, but do what you want.

People, in general, are absent-minded. If pedestrians' absent-minded behavior truly endangered pedestrians, there would be 100 times as many pedestrians struck and killed as there actually are.

My suggestion is for you to stop observing pedestrian behavior and start observing the road conditions where drivers strike pedestrians.

Except it is rare for a pedestrian struck call is the drivers fault it’s almost always the fault of the pedestrian.

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There are tons of studies and they are effective.

Blair HS students did a whole education program to stop students from being hit by cars and since then no pedestrians have been hit. Guess what... they educated pedestrians. Not drivers.

That's false. Plenty of pedestrians have been hit in that area. Here, you can look at the data yourself:

https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Crash-Reporting-Non-Motorists-Data/n7fk-dce5

It's a terrible place to walk. Very dangerous for pedestrians. Not so great for drivers, either - lots of vehicle collisions as well.

Sorry, no students who are pedestrians and yes it’s 2 very dangerous intersection so the education program is very effective.

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There are tons of studies and they are effective.

Blair HS students did a whole education program to stop students from being hit by cars and since then no pedestrians have been hit. Guess what... they educated pedestrians. Not drivers.

That's false. Plenty of pedestrians have been hit in that area. Here, you can look at the data yourself:

https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Crash-Reporting-Non-Motorists-Data/n7fk-dce5

It's a terrible place to walk. Very dangerous for pedestrians. Not so great for drivers, either - lots of vehicle collisions as well.

Anonymous wrote:Start observing pedestrians more. You’ll be shocked at how absent minded they are. Also, by looking at car, instead of straight, you can tell if a car is slowing down. You need to keep looking, even if you have walk signal, but do what you want.

People, in general, are absent-minded. If pedestrians' absent-minded behavior truly endangered pedestrians, there would be 100 times as many pedestrians struck and killed as there actually are.

My suggestion is for you to stop observing pedestrian behavior and start observing the road conditions where drivers strike pedestrians.

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Anonymous wrote:you miss the point. Legally, you do have the right of way. Pedestrians have to more defensive, because you’re not in car. You have to be more vigilant so you don’t die

No, we get your point. I just wonder why you and others keep making it. There is not a person over the age of 3 or so who doesn't understand that getting hit by a car can kill you. Which is why the burden is on drivers to not kill people with their cars.

Everyone’s points haven’t been about the fact that cars can kill you. It’s how to not be such a sitting duck when you’re a pedestrian. Wow.

Honestly, this attitude reminds me of people who respond to reports of rape with tips for stuff women can do to avoid getting raped.

So you don't lock your doors at night.

You don't wear a seatbelt?

Are you this dumb.

Seatbelts are effective. Locking your doors at night is probably effective (I don't know for a fact). The things you are advising people to do are not effective.

There are tons of studies and they are effective.

Blair HS students did a whole education program to stop students from being hit by cars and since then no pedestrians have been hit. Guess what... they educated pedestrians. Not drivers.

Anonymous wrote:They are more effective than looking straight ahead and getting run over, like possibly diving forward if you see car hasn’t stopped. As far as the rape analogy, precautions are given all the the time, to lessen the chances of rape occurring. Park in lit areas, walk in groups, when possible, etc.

Yes, obviously not getting run over is more effective than getting run over.

But really, lots of people do everything right, and still get run over. The only thing your don't-get-run-over tips accomplish is encouraging the mindset that somebody who got run over must have been doing something wrong, or else they wouldn't have gotten run over.

If you're serious about preventing people from getting run over, you need to focus on two things:

1. driver behavior
2. road design

Telling people to walk safely might make you feel good, but it doesn't prevent people from getting run over.

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Anonymous wrote:you miss the point. Legally, you do have the right of way. Pedestrians have to more defensive, because you’re not in car. You have to be more vigilant so you don’t die

No, we get your point. I just wonder why you and others keep making it. There is not a person over the age of 3 or so who doesn't understand that getting hit by a car can kill you. Which is why the burden is on drivers to not kill people with their cars.

Lol. You said you get the point, while clearly explaining that you don’t. Number 1, I’m a slow driver that almost pisses people off. I don’t get distracted in my car. You leave the burden to the millions of drivers and millions of different personalities out there or do what some of us suggest, make eye contact, make sure that car is stopping. Do what you want, I’m trying to tell you that I see these head in the clouds pedestrians all the time. I won’t take them out. Someone will. I’m a great driver

But "make eye contact" doesn't work. Trump

And as for "make sure that the car is stopping" - You know what behavior is most effective in getting car drivers to stop? Aggressively walking out into the street - exactly what you are advising people to not do. And you know what is least effective? Doing what you are advising people to do.

Start observing pedestrians more. You’ll be shocked at how absent minded they are. Also, by looking at car, instead of straight, you can tell if a car is slowing down. You need to keep looking, even if you have walk signal, but do what you want.

They are more effective than looking straight ahead and getting run over, like possibly diving forward if you see car hasn’t stopped. As far as the rape analogy, precautions are given all the the time, to lessen the chances of rape occurring. Park in lit areas, walk in groups, when possible, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:you miss the point. Legally, you do have the right of way. Pedestrians have to more defensive, because you’re not in car. You have to be more vigilant so you don’t die

No, we get your point. I just wonder why you and others keep making it. There is not a person over the age of 3 or so who doesn't understand that getting hit by a car can kill you. Which is why the burden is on drivers to not kill people with their cars.

Everyone’s points haven’t been about the fact that cars can kill you. It’s how to not be such a sitting duck when you’re a pedestrian. Wow.

Honestly, this attitude reminds me of people who respond to reports of rape with tips for stuff women can do to avoid getting raped.

So you don't lock your doors at night.

You don't wear a seatbelt?

Are you this dumb.

Seatbelts are effective. Locking your doors at night is probably effective (I don't know for a fact). The things you are advising people to do are not effective.