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The "pool" in NYC is going to be heavily Asian no matter what. The stats at the "less competitive" magnets right now support this.

PP. Fair enough--I was just trying to think of a way to make the pool a bit more diverse, while also trying to scoop up a few more of the promising black/Latino kids. Perhaps the metrics would need to be shifted a bit, or allow additional, weighted metrics, in order to achieve more diversity in the pool. Just brainstorming.

I hear a lot about the "promising black/Latino kids" who are left behind. What about the vast pool of "promising Asian-American" who are left behind? Heck, what about the "proven Asian-American" who are left behind? There are vastly more Asian-American students who are rejected inspite of having all the credentials, drive and promise that other races who are chosen. The racism and the disregard shown towards the Asian-Americans by Whites as well as URMs is breathtaking in its arrogance, entitlement and blindness.

Nobody is trying to stop Asians from attending these schools. There should be a minimum score and anybody that gets that score should be admitted. Surely there are a huge number of qualified Asians that did well enough to prove they can handle the homework but were not admitted. Just like every other group. The problem is skimming from the top only.

I am ok with skimming from the top because the seats are limited. If there is space for 700 students, and the top students (who APPLIED) include 7 Black students only, then I welcome these 7 Black students wholeheartedly. They have made it because of their hardwork and brains. They are no less than anyone else. They have not been admitted because of Affirmative Action. They have earned their place.

Now, perhaps, schools and Black parents/students need to study why and how these 7 students got in and emulate them. If the reason these kids got in because they study 45 hours at home each week, then that is precisely what other URM students need to do to get in selective schools. Don't turn Black/Hispanic kids into beggars who are looking for dole all the time. Make them work hard so that they can proudly achieve high in academics.

Under federal law schools cannot ask for proof of citizenship. Some families from other countries send their children to live with appointed guardian aunty or cousin in the US so the children can apply for and attend magnet public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Freshman acceptance:
7 black
33 Latino
587 Asian
194 white

NYCPS district overall is 67% black/Latino, 15% white, 15% Asian. Stuyvesant High School is comparable in selectivity to TJ, but I suppose a bit more prestigious, with more national prominence. This is a huge story.

What is going on here? How are Asians so wildly overrepresented and black and Latin kids so underprepared in a $24 billion annually system?

TJ is selective but not really that selective.

Yeah--Stuy is drawing from a much bigger population to begin with...plus I think a lot of people are turned off of applying to TJ because of the commute from wherever they are, versus stuy is basically easily accessible by subway to a massive area and population.

Not to mention that the average FCPS base school is way better than the average (note I said average) NY base school.

Source?

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Anonymous wrote:

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The "pool" in NYC is going to be heavily Asian no matter what. The stats at the "less competitive" magnets right now support this.

PP. Fair enough--I was just trying to think of a way to make the pool a bit more diverse, while also trying to scoop up a few more of the promising black/Latino kids. Perhaps the metrics would need to be shifted a bit, or allow additional, weighted metrics, in order to achieve more diversity in the pool. Just brainstorming.

I hear a lot about the "promising black/Latino kids" who are left behind. What about the vast pool of "promising Asian-American" who are left behind? Heck, what about the "proven Asian-American" who are left behind? There are vastly more Asian-American students who are rejected inspite of having all the credentials, drive and promise that other races who are chosen. The racism and the disregard shown towards the Asian-Americans by Whites as well as URMs is breathtaking in its arrogance, entitlement and blindness.

Nobody is trying to stop Asians from attending these schools. There should be a minimum score and anybody that gets that score should be admitted. Surely there are a huge number of qualified Asians that did well enough to prove they can handle the homework but were not admitted. Just like every other group. The problem is skimming from the top only.

what you wrote makes zero sense.

Made perfect sense to me. Whether you agree with it is a separate issue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The "pool" in NYC is going to be heavily Asian no matter what. The stats at the "less competitive" magnets right now support this.

PP. Fair enough--I was just trying to think of a way to make the pool a bit more diverse, while also trying to scoop up a few more of the promising black/Latino kids. Perhaps the metrics would need to be shifted a bit, or allow additional, weighted metrics, in order to achieve more diversity in the pool. Just brainstorming.

I hear a lot about the "promising black/Latino kids" who are left behind. What about the vast pool of "promising Asian-American" who are left behind? Heck, what about the "proven Asian-American" who are left behind? There are vastly more Asian-American students who are rejected inspite of having all the credentials, drive and promise that other races who are chosen. The racism and the disregard shown towards the Asian-Americans by Whites as well as URMs is breathtaking in its arrogance, entitlement and blindness.

Nobody is trying to stop Asians from attending these schools. There should be a minimum score and anybody that gets that score should be admitted. Surely there are a huge number of qualified Asians that did well enough to prove they can handle the homework but were not admitted. Just like every other group. The problem is skimming from the top only.

what you wrote makes zero sense.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The "pool" in NYC is going to be heavily Asian no matter what. The stats at the "less competitive" magnets right now support this.

PP. Fair enough--I was just trying to think of a way to make the pool a bit more diverse, while also trying to scoop up a few more of the promising black/Latino kids. Perhaps the metrics would need to be shifted a bit, or allow additional, weighted metrics, in order to achieve more diversity in the pool. Just brainstorming.

I hear a lot about the "promising black/Latino kids" who are left behind. What about the vast pool of "promising Asian-American" who are left behind? Heck, what about the "proven Asian-American" who are left behind? There are vastly more Asian-American students who are rejected inspite of having all the credentials, drive and promise that other races who are chosen. The racism and the disregard shown towards the Asian-Americans by Whites as well as URMs is breathtaking in its arrogance, entitlement and blindness.

Nobody is trying to stop Asians from attending these schools. There should be a minimum score and anybody that gets that score should be admitted. Surely there are a huge number of qualified Asians that did well enough to prove they can handle the homework but were not admitted. Just like every other group. The problem is skimming from the top only.

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Let's all be careful and understand that Asians in Asia are different than Asian Americans. Two completely different people and cohorts. Don't cherry pick things that happen halfway around the world in a different country and economic system and political system and try to extrapolate it and stereotype Asian Americans here in the U.S. It's gross and ignorant and bordering racist - the perpetual "othering" of Asian Americans and coloring them as "foreigners". Asian Americans are Americans.

THIS.

All students who got into the magnet schools are AMERICANS. They got in because of their merit. No need to look at race because that is stupid way to measure American achievement. Give a chance to every student, maybe make all eligible students take this mandatory test and see how everyone is doing. Let's celebrate the fact that 45% of students in this top magnet school are on FARMS.

So they don't allow immigrants into Stuy?

Immigrants are AMERICANS.

Not all immigrants are Americans. They can have a green card or not be documented.

So you are saying the only immigrants allowed in Stuy are those with American citizenship?

They actually ask citizenship status before they accept them?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freshman acceptance:
7 black
33 Latino
587 Asian
194 white

NYCPS district overall is 67% black/Latino, 15% white, 15% Asian. Stuyvesant High School is comparable in selectivity to TJ, but I suppose a bit more prestigious, with more national prominence. This is a huge story.

What is going on here? How are Asians so wildly overrepresented and black and Latin kids so underprepared in a $24 billion annually system?

TJ is selective but not really that selective.

Yeah--Stuy is drawing from a much bigger population to begin with...plus I think a lot of people are turned off of applying to TJ because of the commute from wherever they are, versus stuy is basically easily accessible by subway to a massive area and population.

Not to mention that the average FCPS base school is way better than the average (note I said average) NY base school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freshman acceptance:
7 black
33 Latino
587 Asian
194 white

NYCPS district overall is 67% black/Latino, 15% white, 15% Asian. Stuyvesant High School is comparable in selectivity to TJ, but I suppose a bit more prestigious, with more national prominence. This is a huge story.

What is going on here? How are Asians so wildly overrepresented and black and Latin kids so underprepared in a $24 billion annually system?

TJ is selective but not really that selective.

Yeah--Stuy is drawing from a much bigger population to begin with...plus I think a lot of people are turned off of applying to TJ because of the commute from wherever they are, versus stuy is basically easily accessible by subway to a massive area and population.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be curious to see the number of each racial group that applied... or are students selected from the entire NYC public school pool without needing to opt in?

NY Times coverage of this has been tops:

https://www.nytimes.com/topic/organization/stuyvesant-high-school

if by tops you mean extremely biased

They basically are making the claim that the test is racist

um no its based on aptitude

A math test is culturally biased?

Anonymous wrote:Freshman acceptance:
7 black
33 Latino
587 Asian
194 white

NYCPS district overall is 67% black/Latino, 15% white, 15% Asian. Stuyvesant High School is comparable in selectivity to TJ, but I suppose a bit more prestigious, with more national prominence. This is a huge story.

What is going on here? How are Asians so wildly overrepresented and black and Latin kids so underprepared in a $24 billion annually system?

TJ is selective but not really that selective.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The "pool" in NYC is going to be heavily Asian no matter what. The stats at the "less competitive" magnets right now support this.

PP. Fair enough--I was just trying to think of a way to make the pool a bit more diverse, while also trying to scoop up a few more of the promising black/Latino kids. Perhaps the metrics would need to be shifted a bit, or allow additional, weighted metrics, in order to achieve more diversity in the pool. Just brainstorming.

I hear a lot about the "promising black/Latino kids" who are left behind. What about the vast pool of "promising Asian-American" who are left behind? Heck, what about the "proven Asian-American" who are left behind? There are vastly more Asian-American students who are rejected inspite of having all the credentials, drive and promise that other races who are chosen. The racism and the disregard shown towards the Asian-Americans by Whites as well as URMs is breathtaking in its arrogance, entitlement and blindness.

Oh, boo hoo. You are making this about anti-Asian racism when the school being discussed is over 70% Asian? Would you like this and all of the other schools of this nature to be 100% Asian? Just because a kid is Asian and does well on a test does not entitle him or her to go to any school they want. Welcome to the real world.

It does when the criteria are only based on test scores.

So maybe the criteria should be changed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The "pool" in NYC is going to be heavily Asian no matter what. The stats at the "less competitive" magnets right now support this.

PP. Fair enough--I was just trying to think of a way to make the pool a bit more diverse, while also trying to scoop up a few more of the promising black/Latino kids. Perhaps the metrics would need to be shifted a bit, or allow additional, weighted metrics, in order to achieve more diversity in the pool. Just brainstorming.

I hear a lot about the "promising black/Latino kids" who are left behind. What about the vast pool of "promising Asian-American" who are left behind? Heck, what about the "proven Asian-American" who are left behind? There are vastly more Asian-American students who are rejected inspite of having all the credentials, drive and promise that other races who are chosen. The racism and the disregard shown towards the Asian-Americans by Whites as well as URMs is breathtaking in its arrogance, entitlement and blindness.

Oh, boo hoo. You are making this about anti-Asian racism when the school being discussed is over 70% Asian? Would you like this and all of the other schools of this nature to be 100% Asian? Just because a kid is Asian and does well on a test does not entitle him or her to go to any school they want. Welcome to the real world.

It does when the criteria are only based on test scores.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Let's all be careful and understand that Asians in Asia are different than Asian Americans. Two completely different people and cohorts. Don't cherry pick things that happen halfway around the world in a different country and economic system and political system and try to extrapolate it and stereotype Asian Americans here in the U.S. It's gross and ignorant and bordering racist - the perpetual "othering" of Asian Americans and coloring them as "foreigners". Asian Americans are Americans.

THIS.

All students who got into the magnet schools are AMERICANS. They got in because of their merit. No need to look at race because that is stupid way to measure American achievement. Give a chance to every student, maybe make all eligible students take this mandatory test and see how everyone is doing. Let's celebrate the fact that 45% of students in this top magnet school are on FARMS.

So they don't allow immigrants into Stuy?

Immigrants are AMERICANS.

Only if they have citizenship.

I have a number of immigrants living in my house, some are citizens, some are not. Some choose to remain green card holders.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The "pool" in NYC is going to be heavily Asian no matter what. The stats at the "less competitive" magnets right now support this.

PP. Fair enough--I was just trying to think of a way to make the pool a bit more diverse, while also trying to scoop up a few more of the promising black/Latino kids. Perhaps the metrics would need to be shifted a bit, or allow additional, weighted metrics, in order to achieve more diversity in the pool. Just brainstorming.

I hear a lot about the "promising black/Latino kids" who are left behind. What about the vast pool of "promising Asian-American" who are left behind? Heck, what about the "proven Asian-American" who are left behind? There are vastly more Asian-American students who are rejected inspite of having all the credentials, drive and promise that other races who are chosen. The racism and the disregard shown towards the Asian-Americans by Whites as well as URMs is breathtaking in its arrogance, entitlement and blindness.

+ a million.

ALL kids deserve the same treatment as kids, as individuals. They are not just members of whatever group