Joycelyn Savage has apparently changed her tune and is going to share the truth about their relationship. She is the girlfriend that has been in support of him with Azriel Cleary. And of course... she does it for money on Patreon. I want to hear her story for free! Although I’m sure we all k ow her story. R Kelly should be in jail for the rest of his life.

Just finished watching this - how in the world is it possible that this man is still walking around free and probably doing his same psychopath routine with young women?
It's going to take him not making any money for that whole machinery around him to start abandoning the sinking ship and switching to the right side.
He's unbelievably disguising and so are his servants and people living off him.

In case any of you missed it, Surviving R. Kelly is now on Netflix.

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Anonymous wrote:I have only watched the first episode of this series, so I don't yet know the extent of what R Kelly is being accused of, but I'm curious - when the posters here are referring to him as a rapist, has he actually been accused of forcing girls to have sex with them against their will, or is it statutory rape, where the girls gave consent, but the law does not consider them capable of consenting?

Yeah, he’s done both, allegedly.

The new charges are as follow:

“Four of the charges are aggravated criminal sexual assault, two are criminal sexual assault by force, three are aggravated criminal sexual abuse of a victim between 13 and 16 years old and two are aggravated criminal sexual abuse.

The aggravated criminal sexual assault chargesare Class X felonies, which according to NBC Chicago is the most serious felony in Illinois and carries a mandatory minimum prison sentence of six to 30 years.“

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1012126

Eleven new charges today, including child victims that he sexually assaulted. He came from a fatherless childhood. Tragic evilness.

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Kelly needs to rot in hell - after HE gets RAPED in prison.

Kelly just got charged with a bunch more. What an animal.

Teach your kids to reject these monster idols.
They’re evil.

Anonymous wrote:I have only watched the first episode of this series, so I don't yet know the extent of what R Kelly is being accused of, but I'm curious - when the posters here are referring to him as a rapist, has he actually been accused of forcing girls to have sex with them against their will, or is it statutory rape, where the girls gave consent, but the law does not consider them capable of consenting?

Yeah, he’s done both, allegedly.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely disturbing that Michelle and Barack were friends with Kelly. Of course they knew. They ain’t dumb. Oprah as well. All coming from Chicago, they were tight.

Evidence? I've followed R. Kelly's story for more than a decade and never heard or seen anything to indicate a relationship.

Are saying they never associated with each other?
Google “R Kelly” “Obama”

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You claimed a friendship. PP said she didn’t see any indications of a relationship. Now, you’re saying they just associated with each other. Maybe they knew each other (I have no idea), but are they friends as you initially claimed? Do they have an actual personal relationship?

Well, I've googled and can't' find evidence of a friendship or even an association. The most I found was that Obama used R. Kelly's song "I believe" for his 2008 inauguration. PP, please link us to what you are talking about.

Robert Kelly wrote a song for Obama?

It was rewritten as a tribute for Obama by R. Kelly from another artist, Osmosis Jones. But I don't know that Obama ever used it for any events. There were lots of artists who did similar. I can imagine that R. Kelly wanted to because of Obama, for obvious reasons. But it doesn't serve as evidence of their apparently non-existent friendship.

They’ve shared the stage together more than once. Given Michelle’s obsession with hip-hop, I doubt she avoided associating with him.

It's interesting that you keep making these assertions of connection but haven't produced any proof at all. You just want to tar the Obamas and Oprah/Gayle because of the Chicago connection.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m on the 2nd episode and the abuse is sickening. But the age of some of these women was 17, 18. I knew exactly what I was doing at 15 and 16. Maybe I didn’t understand the consequences of my actions, but I knew what my body was capable of and what I could elicit from adult married men. Wtf is wrong with me that I can’t help but think they allowed these things because they wanted something from him. They were old enough to know better. Am I a sicko too?

Yes, you are, and you are also despicable for saying children allowed a man to rape them. Hopefully you don't have children of your own.

+1. Teenagers have hormones that make them sexual, but they are not mature enough to handle a grown man. And children, especially kids from rough upbringings, crave positive adult attention. You take a girl from a difficult home environment and suggest to her that sex can make her get adult male attention (which is severely lacking in many poor homes, which tend to be headed by a single parent) and they will do it. You don't have any concept of the voids created by difficult childhoods-- or you wouldn't be saying it. It's like saying a starving prostitute is doing it because she *wants* to. It is exploitation of our most vulnerable population and your lack of empathy is sick, sick, sick. Please reflect on why it is wrong to exploit vulnerable teen girls.

I hear what you're saying, but I think the extent of this is sometimes exaggerated. When I was 16, I had a 20 year old boyfriend. By today's standards, he would be labeled a "child rapist" and that is just preposterous in my mind. I think he was a great guy and that there was nothing damaging and unhealthy about the relationship at all. And no, I was not in anyway from a rough background or craving adult attention.

I have only watched the first episode of this series, so I don't yet know the extent of what R Kelly is being accused of, but I'm curious - when the posters here are referring to him as a rapist, has he actually been accused of forcing girls to have sex with them against their will, or is it statutory rape, where the girls gave consent, but the law does not consider them capable of consenting?

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely disturbing that Michelle and Barack were friends with Kelly. Of course they knew. They ain’t dumb. Oprah as well. All coming from Chicago, they were tight.

Evidence? I've followed R. Kelly's story for more than a decade and never heard or seen anything to indicate a relationship.

Are saying they never associated with each other?
Google “R Kelly” “Obama”

*you

You claimed a friendship. PP said she didn’t see any indications of a relationship. Now, you’re saying they just associated with each other. Maybe they knew each other (I have no idea), but are they friends as you initially claimed? Do they have an actual personal relationship?

Well, I've googled and can't' find evidence of a friendship or even an association. The most I found was that Obama used R. Kelly's song "I believe" for his 2008 inauguration. PP, please link us to what you are talking about.

Robert Kelly wrote a song for Obama?

It was rewritten as a tribute for Obama by R. Kelly from another artist, Osmosis Jones. But I don't know that Obama ever used it for any events. There were lots of artists who did similar. I can imagine that R. Kelly wanted to because of Obama, for obvious reasons. But it doesn't serve as evidence of their apparently non-existent friendship.

They’ve shared the stage together more than once. Given Michelle’s obsession with hip-hop, I doubt she avoided associating with him.

When and where? So, do you refer to yourself as "obssessed" with [insert type of music you like]?

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely disturbing that Michelle and Barack were friends with Kelly. Of course they knew. They ain’t dumb. Oprah as well. All coming from Chicago, they were tight.

Evidence? I've followed R. Kelly's story for more than a decade and never heard or seen anything to indicate a relationship.

Are saying they never associated with each other?
Google “R Kelly” “Obama”

*you

You claimed a friendship. PP said she didn’t see any indications of a relationship. Now, you’re saying they just associated with each other. Maybe they knew each other (I have no idea), but are they friends as you initially claimed? Do they have an actual personal relationship?

Well, I've googled and can't' find evidence of a friendship or even an association. The most I found was that Obama used R. Kelly's song "I believe" for his 2008 inauguration. PP, please link us to what you are talking about.

Robert Kelly wrote a song for Obama?

It was rewritten as a tribute for Obama by R. Kelly from another artist, Osmosis Jones. But I don't know that Obama ever used it for any events. There were lots of artists who did similar. I can imagine that R. Kelly wanted to because of Obama, for obvious reasons. But it doesn't serve as evidence of their apparently non-existent friendship.

They’ve shared the stage together more than once. Given Michelle’s obsession with hip-hop, I doubt she avoided associating with him.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely disturbing that Michelle and Barack were friends with Kelly. Of course they knew. They ain’t dumb. Oprah as well. All coming from Chicago, they were tight.

Evidence? I've followed R. Kelly's story for more than a decade and never heard or seen anything to indicate a relationship.

Are saying they never associated with each other?
Google “R Kelly” “Obama”

*you

You claimed a friendship. PP said she didn’t see any indications of a relationship. Now, you’re saying they just associated with each other. Maybe they knew each other (I have no idea), but are they friends as you initially claimed? Do they have an actual personal relationship?

Well, I've googled and can't' find evidence of a friendship or even an association. The most I found was that Obama used R. Kelly's song "I believe" for his 2008 inauguration. PP, please link us to what you are talking about.

Robert Kelly wrote a song for Obama?

It was rewritten as a tribute for Obama by R. Kelly from another artist, Osmosis Jones. But I don't know that Obama ever used it for any events. There were lots of artists who did similar. I can imagine that R. Kelly wanted to because of Obama, for obvious reasons. But it doesn't serve as evidence of their apparently non-existent friendship.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely disturbing that Michelle and Barack were friends with Kelly. Of course they knew. They ain’t dumb. Oprah as well. All coming from Chicago, they were tight.

Evidence? I've followed R. Kelly's story for more than a decade and never heard or seen anything to indicate a relationship.

Are saying they never associated with each other?
Google “R Kelly” “Obama”

*you

You claimed a friendship. PP said she didn’t see any indications of a relationship. Now, you’re saying they just associated with each other. Maybe they knew each other (I have no idea), but are they friends as you initially claimed? Do they have an actual personal relationship?

Well, I've googled and can't' find evidence of a friendship or even an association. The most I found was that Obama used R. Kelly's song "I believe" for his 2008 inauguration. PP, please link us to what you are talking about.

Robert Kelly wrote a song for Obama?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any evidence of anything, but I suspect that due to the Chicago connection both Oprah and Gayle King knew R Kelly also.

I figured your mama knows R. Kelly too but I couldn’t find any pictures of them together on Google

That’s because mama in question isn’t a minor. If that were the case, you would be able to find even videos!