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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know. Ross is certainly doing something right. Ross has nearly as many black student test takers as Mann and Key.

Black Students score 3+ ELA
Brent 54.5%
Eaton 85.7%
Hearst 78%
Janney 79.3%
Key 78.3%
Lafayette 76.6%
Mann 95.7%
Murch 61%
Ross 100%
Shepherd 76.9%

Black Students score 4+ ELA
Brent 30.3%
Eaton 53.6%
Hearst 46%
Janney 55.2%
Key 60.0%
Lafayette 53.2%
Mann 69.6%
Murch 36.6%
Ross 85.7%
Shepherd 51.3%

Black Students score 5+ ELA
Brent 0.00%
Eaton 10.7%
Hearst 0.00%
Janney 6.9%
Key 8.7%
Lafayette 6.4%
Mann 8.7%
Murch 0.00%
Ross 28.6%
Shepherd 7.7%

It's hard to say this conclusively without more info (which I guess isn't directly available). It could just be that Ross has more high-SES black students than the other schools.

No. Why try to find a reason to not acknowledge Ross is doing a stellar job?

Why the defensiveness? This is my first comment, and I'm just wondering whether there could be another explanation. I tend to think that demographics are more important than teaching styles/strategies when predicting student outcomes. I'm genuinely curious whether the demographics of black students might be different at Ross vs. the other schools named. Nothing against Ross at all, and I'm happy that the AA students there are doing well (I'm AA myself and live IB for one of the other schools on the list).

Maybe small schools with high SES is the secret sauce. Ross only had 12 5th grade test takers.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know. Ross is certainly doing something right. Ross has nearly as many black student test takers as Mann and Key.

Black Students score 3+ ELA
Brent 54.5%
Eaton 85.7%
Hearst 78%
Janney 79.3%
Key 78.3%
Lafayette 76.6%
Mann 95.7%
Murch 61%
Ross 100%
Shepherd 76.9%

Black Students score 4+ ELA
Brent 30.3%
Eaton 53.6%
Hearst 46%
Janney 55.2%
Key 60.0%
Lafayette 53.2%
Mann 69.6%
Murch 36.6%
Ross 85.7%
Shepherd 51.3%

Black Students score 5+ ELA
Brent 0.00%
Eaton 10.7%
Hearst 0.00%
Janney 6.9%
Key 8.7%
Lafayette 6.4%
Mann 8.7%
Murch 0.00%
Ross 28.6%
Shepherd 7.7%

It's hard to say this conclusively without more info (which I guess isn't directly available). It could just be that Ross has more high-SES black students than the other schools.

No. Why try to find a reason to not acknowledge Ross is doing a stellar job?

Why the defensiveness? This is my first comment, and I'm just wondering whether there could be another explanation. I tend to think that demographics are more important than teaching styles/strategies when predicting student outcomes. I'm genuinely curious whether the demographics of black students might be different at Ross vs. the other schools named. Nothing against Ross at all, and I'm happy that the AA students there are doing well (I'm AA myself and live IB for one of the other schools on the list).

There are barely any black students in any of these schools and out of those there are barely any that are at-risk. You are talking about a handful of kids in each grade max. It's impossible to make any kind of logical conclusions with such a small sample size. Also agree with pp that data is questionable. There aren't more than 10 black students in most of those categories listed I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though what is the source for the data

Source is OSSE excel list. Have to have 10+ students to get %.

I'm in the detailed 2018 Parcc performance results excel file and the only way I am getting more than 10 black students for actual data is by combining all black students in 3rd 4th and 5th grade.

There are only 14 test results in 3rd 4th and 5th grade total. For those 14 kids the scores are impressive Math is 1 level 2, 1 level 3, 10 level 4s and 1 level 5. and ELA is similar, hwoever there are less than 10 at-risk kids in the whole school. So these scores really aren't that surprising to me.

Also for reference there were only 29 white test takers and their scores are similarly high for math 2 level 2s, 2 level 3s, 15 level 4s and 10 level 5s

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know. Ross is certainly doing something right. Ross has nearly as many black student test takers as Mann and Key.

Black Students score 3+ ELA
Brent 54.5%
Eaton 85.7%
Hearst 78%
Janney 79.3%
Key 78.3%
Lafayette 76.6%
Mann 95.7%
Murch 61%
Ross 100%
Shepherd 76.9%

Black Students score 4+ ELA
Brent 30.3%
Eaton 53.6%
Hearst 46%
Janney 55.2%
Key 60.0%
Lafayette 53.2%
Mann 69.6%
Murch 36.6%
Ross 85.7%
Shepherd 51.3%

Black Students score 5+ ELA
Brent 0.00%
Eaton 10.7%
Hearst 0.00%
Janney 6.9%
Key 8.7%
Lafayette 6.4%
Mann 8.7%
Murch 0.00%
Ross 28.6%
Shepherd 7.7%

It's hard to say this conclusively without more info (which I guess isn't directly available). It could just be that Ross has more high-SES black students than the other schools.

No. Why try to find a reason to not acknowledge Ross is doing a stellar job?

Why the defensiveness? This is my first comment, and I'm just wondering whether there could be another explanation. I tend to think that demographics are more important than teaching styles/strategies when predicting student outcomes. I'm genuinely curious whether the demographics of black students might be different at Ross vs. the other schools named. Nothing against Ross at all, and I'm happy that the AA students there are doing well (I'm AA myself and live IB for one of the other schools on the list).

There are barely any black students in any of these schools and out of those there are barely any that are at-risk. You are talking about a handful of kids in each grade max. It's impossible to make any kind of logical conclusions with such a small sample size. Also agree with pp that data is questionable. There aren't more than 10 black students in most of those categories listed I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though what is the source for the data

If anything, other than Shepherd, Brent, and maybe Hearst, I’d say Ross would have more economic diversity amongst AA population. I am also black and live IB for Shepherd. Even with higher income AA students, PARCC scores still low a large disparity. That’s why these numbers tell a good story. Also, look at the % of AA kids getting 5 at Ross. Higher than most of the school’s white population getting 5s.

I'm the AA PP a couple above you and I'm also IB for Shepherd. I haven't been in the area long, so wasn't sure if there's an area of affluent/educated group of black folks near Ross I didn't know about, lol.

So it looks like Oyster Adams and SWS also have relatively high-achieving black students. Any explanations there? Could this all be statistical noise that varies year to year among small samples, or is there another explanation(s) for black students' performance at Ross/SWS/Oyster?

Anonymous wrote:Two DCPS schools you forgot:

Oyster Adams -31.3% of Black students scored 5 in ELA
SWS 35.1% Black students scored 5 in ELA

Wow, that’s a higher percentage than Ross! It’s particularly impressive at Oyster because it’s a dual immersion school.

Two DCPS schools you forgot:

Oyster Adams -31.3% of Black students scored 5 in ELA
SWS 35.1% Black students scored 5 in ELA

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know. Ross is certainly doing something right. Ross has nearly as many black student test takers as Mann and Key.

Black Students score 3+ ELA
Brent 54.5%
Eaton 85.7%
Hearst 78%
Janney 79.3%
Key 78.3%
Lafayette 76.6%
Mann 95.7%
Murch 61%
Ross 100%
Shepherd 76.9%

Black Students score 4+ ELA
Brent 30.3%
Eaton 53.6%
Hearst 46%
Janney 55.2%
Key 60.0%
Lafayette 53.2%
Mann 69.6%
Murch 36.6%
Ross 85.7%
Shepherd 51.3%

Black Students score 5+ ELA
Brent 0.00%
Eaton 10.7%
Hearst 0.00%
Janney 6.9%
Key 8.7%
Lafayette 6.4%
Mann 8.7%
Murch 0.00%
Ross 28.6%
Shepherd 7.7%

It's hard to say this conclusively without more info (which I guess isn't directly available). It could just be that Ross has more high-SES black students than the other schools.

No. Why try to find a reason to not acknowledge Ross is doing a stellar job?

Why the defensiveness? This is my first comment, and I'm just wondering whether there could be another explanation. I tend to think that demographics are more important than teaching styles/strategies when predicting student outcomes. I'm genuinely curious whether the demographics of black students might be different at Ross vs. the other schools named. Nothing against Ross at all, and I'm happy that the AA students there are doing well (I'm AA myself and live IB for one of the other schools on the list).

There are barely any black students in any of these schools and out of those there are barely any that are at-risk. You are talking about a handful of kids in each grade max. It's impossible to make any kind of logical conclusions with such a small sample size. Also agree with pp that data is questionable. There aren't more than 10 black students in most of those categories listed I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though what is the source for the data

If anything, other than Shepherd, Brent, and maybe Hearst, I’d say Ross would have more economic diversity amongst AA population. I am also black and live IB for Shepherd. Even with higher income AA students, PARCC scores still low a large disparity. That’s why these numbers tell a good story. Also, look at the % of AA kids getting 5 at Ross. Higher than most of the school’s white population getting 5s.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know. Ross is certainly doing something right. Ross has nearly as many black student test takers as Mann and Key.

Black Students score 3+ ELA
Brent 54.5%
Eaton 85.7%
Hearst 78%
Janney 79.3%
Key 78.3%
Lafayette 76.6%
Mann 95.7%
Murch 61%
Ross 100%
Shepherd 76.9%

Black Students score 4+ ELA
Brent 30.3%
Eaton 53.6%
Hearst 46%
Janney 55.2%
Key 60.0%
Lafayette 53.2%
Mann 69.6%
Murch 36.6%
Ross 85.7%
Shepherd 51.3%

Black Students score 5+ ELA
Brent 0.00%
Eaton 10.7%
Hearst 0.00%
Janney 6.9%
Key 8.7%
Lafayette 6.4%
Mann 8.7%
Murch 0.00%
Ross 28.6%
Shepherd 7.7%

It's hard to say this conclusively without more info (which I guess isn't directly available). It could just be that Ross has more high-SES black students than the other schools.

No. Why try to find a reason to not acknowledge Ross is doing a stellar job?

Why the defensiveness? This is my first comment, and I'm just wondering whether there could be another explanation. I tend to think that demographics are more important than teaching styles/strategies when predicting student outcomes. I'm genuinely curious whether the demographics of black students might be different at Ross vs. the other schools named. Nothing against Ross at all, and I'm happy that the AA students there are doing well (I'm AA myself and live IB for one of the other schools on the list).

There are barely any black students in any of these schools and out of those there are barely any that are at-risk. You are talking about a handful of kids in each grade max. It's impossible to make any kind of logical conclusions with such a small sample size. Also agree with pp that data is questionable. There aren't more than 10 black students in most of those categories listed I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though what is the source for the data

Source is OSSE excel list. Have to have 10+ students to get %.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know. Ross is certainly doing something right. Ross has nearly as many black student test takers as Mann and Key.

Black Students score 3+ ELA
Brent 54.5%
Eaton 85.7%
Hearst 78%
Janney 79.3%
Key 78.3%
Lafayette 76.6%
Mann 95.7%
Murch 61%
Ross 100%
Shepherd 76.9%

Black Students score 4+ ELA
Brent 30.3%
Eaton 53.6%
Hearst 46%
Janney 55.2%
Key 60.0%
Lafayette 53.2%
Mann 69.6%
Murch 36.6%
Ross 85.7%
Shepherd 51.3%

Black Students score 5+ ELA
Brent 0.00%
Eaton 10.7%
Hearst 0.00%
Janney 6.9%
Key 8.7%
Lafayette 6.4%
Mann 8.7%
Murch 0.00%
Ross 28.6%
Shepherd 7.7%

It's hard to say this conclusively without more info (which I guess isn't directly available). It could just be that Ross has more high-SES black students than the other schools.

No. Why try to find a reason to not acknowledge Ross is doing a stellar job?

Why the defensiveness? This is my first comment, and I'm just wondering whether there could be another explanation. I tend to think that demographics are more important than teaching styles/strategies when predicting student outcomes. I'm genuinely curious whether the demographics of black students might be different at Ross vs. the other schools named. Nothing against Ross at all, and I'm happy that the AA students there are doing well (I'm AA myself and live IB for one of the other schools on the list).

There are barely any black students in any of these schools and out of those there are barely any that are at-risk. You are talking about a handful of kids in each grade max. It's impossible to make any kind of logical conclusions with such a small sample size. Also agree with pp that data is questionable. There aren't more than 10 black students in most of those categories listed I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though what is the source for the data

You need to look at how black students are doing city-wide.

Add in the Black student achievement rates for DC Prep, KIPP, Barnard ... the universe is bigger than the Wilson feeders and Capitol Hill (thankfully)

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know. Ross is certainly doing something right. Ross has nearly as many black student test takers as Mann and Key.

Black Students score 3+ ELA
Brent 54.5%
Eaton 85.7%
Hearst 78%
Janney 79.3%
Key 78.3%
Lafayette 76.6%
Mann 95.7%
Murch 61%
Ross 100%
Shepherd 76.9%

Black Students score 4+ ELA
Brent 30.3%
Eaton 53.6%
Hearst 46%
Janney 55.2%
Key 60.0%
Lafayette 53.2%
Mann 69.6%
Murch 36.6%
Ross 85.7%
Shepherd 51.3%

Black Students score 5+ ELA
Brent 0.00%
Eaton 10.7%
Hearst 0.00%
Janney 6.9%
Key 8.7%
Lafayette 6.4%
Mann 8.7%
Murch 0.00%
Ross 28.6%
Shepherd 7.7%

It's hard to say this conclusively without more info (which I guess isn't directly available). It could just be that Ross has more high-SES black students than the other schools.

No. Why try to find a reason to not acknowledge Ross is doing a stellar job?

Why the defensiveness? This is my first comment, and I'm just wondering whether there could be another explanation. I tend to think that demographics are more important than teaching styles/strategies when predicting student outcomes. I'm genuinely curious whether the demographics of black students might be different at Ross vs. the other schools named. Nothing against Ross at all, and I'm happy that the AA students there are doing well (I'm AA myself and live IB for one of the other schools on the list).

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know. Ross is certainly doing something right. Ross has nearly as many black student test takers as Mann and Key.

Black Students score 3+ ELA
Brent 54.5%
Eaton 85.7%
Hearst 78%
Janney 79.3%
Key 78.3%
Lafayette 76.6%
Mann 95.7%
Murch 61%
Ross 100%
Shepherd 76.9%

Black Students score 4+ ELA
Brent 30.3%
Eaton 53.6%
Hearst 46%
Janney 55.2%
Key 60.0%
Lafayette 53.2%
Mann 69.6%
Murch 36.6%
Ross 85.7%
Shepherd 51.3%

Black Students score 5+ ELA
Brent 0.00%
Eaton 10.7%
Hearst 0.00%
Janney 6.9%
Key 8.7%
Lafayette 6.4%
Mann 8.7%
Murch 0.00%
Ross 28.6%
Shepherd 7.7%

It's hard to say this conclusively without more info (which I guess isn't directly available). It could just be that Ross has more high-SES black students than the other schools.

Janney has 7 low income students in the ENTIRE school. I think you’re pulling this out of your ass.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know. Ross is certainly doing something right. Ross has nearly as many black student test takers as Mann and Key.

Black Students score 3+ ELA
Brent 54.5%
Eaton 85.7%
Hearst 78%
Janney 79.3%
Key 78.3%
Lafayette 76.6%
Mann 95.7%
Murch 61%
Ross 100%
Shepherd 76.9%

Black Students score 4+ ELA
Brent 30.3%
Eaton 53.6%
Hearst 46%
Janney 55.2%
Key 60.0%
Lafayette 53.2%
Mann 69.6%
Murch 36.6%
Ross 85.7%
Shepherd 51.3%

Black Students score 5+ ELA
Brent 0.00%
Eaton 10.7%
Hearst 0.00%
Janney 6.9%
Key 8.7%
Lafayette 6.4%
Mann 8.7%
Murch 0.00%
Ross 28.6%
Shepherd 7.7%

It's hard to say this conclusively without more info (which I guess isn't directly available). It could just be that Ross has more high-SES black students than the other schools.

No. Why try to find a reason to not acknowledge Ross is doing a stellar job?

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know. Ross is certainly doing something right. Ross has nearly as many black student test takers as Mann and Key.

Black Students score 3+ ELA
Brent 54.5%
Eaton 85.7%
Hearst 78%
Janney 79.3%
Key 78.3%
Lafayette 76.6%
Mann 95.7%
Murch 61%
Ross 100%
Shepherd 76.9%

Black Students score 4+ ELA
Brent 30.3%
Eaton 53.6%
Hearst 46%
Janney 55.2%
Key 60.0%
Lafayette 53.2%
Mann 69.6%
Murch 36.6%
Ross 85.7%
Shepherd 51.3%

Black Students score 5+ ELA
Brent 0.00%
Eaton 10.7%
Hearst 0.00%
Janney 6.9%
Key 8.7%
Lafayette 6.4%
Mann 8.7%
Murch 0.00%
Ross 28.6%
Shepherd 7.7%

It's hard to say this conclusively without more info (which I guess isn't directly available). It could just be that Ross has more high-SES black students than the other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:what happened at DCB for third grade? didn't they have some of the highest scores in the city last year? now they seem to be the lowest among immersion schools.

DCB's scores aren't that different year over year -- big jumps in 5th grade both 16-17 and 17-18. Last year's 5th graders were extremely high though, making the school-wide average higher.

What they got the most kudos for last year was their GROWTH and achieving a high DCPCSB PMF ranking.

DCB 16-17

3 29.5/31.8
4 32.6/16.3
5 70.4/55.6


DCB 17-18

3 25/16
4 24/33
5 50/45

That actually looks pretty different to me with only one of the 6 scores improving. Though, it also looks like there was still a good bit of growth. Hopefully the current 3rd graders do a bit bitter next year. Was the 16-17 5th grade class really stellar? Wonder how many went to DCI?

*I realize this is a popular school no one seems to discuss!

Main difference is number of students per grade, which has increased.

In 16-17 there were 45 3rd, 45 4th and 27 5th graders.
In 17-18 there were 64 3rd, 45 5th, 42 5th graders.

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Anonymous wrote:what happened at DCB for third grade? didn't they have some of the highest scores in the city last year? now they seem to be the lowest among immersion schools.

DCB's scores aren't that different year over year -- big jumps in 5th grade both 16-17 and 17-18. Last year's 5th graders were extremely high though, making the school-wide average higher.

What they got the most kudos for last year was their GROWTH and achieving a high DCPCSB PMF ranking.

DCB 16-17

3 29.5/31.8
4 32.6/16.3
5 70.4/55.6


DCB 17-18

3 25/16
4 24/33
5 50/45

That actually looks pretty different to me with only one of the 6 scores improving. Though, it also looks like there was still a good bit of growth. Hopefully the current 3rd graders do a bit bitter next year. Was the 16-17 5th grade class really stellar? Wonder how many went to DCI?

*I realize this is a popular school no one seems to discuss!