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Anonymous wrote:Google “illegal immigrants” and “animals” and let me know what comes up!

I did. This was the first link..........

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/615355282/trump-tests-midterm-message-on-immigration-ms-13-animals-during-tenn-rally

Even NPR acknowledges that the term “animals” was in reference to the drug gangs and MS 13. So, there you have it.

Anonymous wrote:0.6% according to ICE:
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id

Not even 1%.

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But the gangs threaten to kill their children and any relatives that those people have in other countries. So cooperation is not going to be happening.
Rising out of poverty isn’t going to be happening either as the gang wants cash from these people each week.
Our politicians have created this mess - bringing these people here to live and work cheaply so that they (and their supporters) can enrich themselves , clustering them all in a low income area where all this crap can go on nonstop. Good job Montgomery county council! The Sanctuary city you’ve created is just so humane and great. I’m glad that construction and other companies have profited from the cheap labor as these people continue to live a crappy life here in the USA , and dragging the lives of middle and low income US citizens down in the whole process.

Vote smarter people. There is no altruism in a sanctuary city - it’s just modern day slavery.

When police are viewed as immigration authorities, it creates a haven for criminals to prey upon immigrants who are afraid to report crimes to police. They are also far less likely to serve as witnesses or share information with detectives, says Austin Police Chief Brian Manley.

"Criminals understand that, and they will feel emboldened to commit crimes against the immigrant community without fear of being held accountable because they know they won't call police," said Manley. "It creates a haven for crime."

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

"Center researchers reviewed more than 500 cases of MS-13 gang members arrested nationwide since 2012. We conclude that this resurgence represents a very serious threat to public safety in communities where MS-13 has rebuilt itself. The resurgence is directly connected to the illegal arrival and resettlement of more than 300,000 Central American youths and families that has continued unabated for six years, and to a de-prioritization of immigration enforcement in the interior of the country that occurred at the same time.
Nevertheless, because such a large share of MS-13 members are not citizens, they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and many can be removed from the communities they terrorize. Strategic use of immigration enforcement is a necessary element to disrupting and dismantling MS-13 gangs and any other transnational criminal organization operating in our communities."
The proliferation of sanctuary policies that interfere with cooperation between state and local law enforcement agencies threatens to hamper efforts to stifle MS-13 activity. The federal government must take steps to clarify how federal law permits such cooperation and also must set up consequences for those jurisdictions and officials who impose sanctuary policies.

1. You still haven’t answered the question. Do you have the intellectual honesty to actually provide an answer?

2. Your source is terrible - could be considered a hate group:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/

If you'd like to go ahead and put your liberal spin on what is violent criminal organization, please feel free. I'm sure you'll continue defending these absolute animals - at least until the day one of your loved ones is brutally attacked at school and/or murdered by them. Then I wonder what you'll have to say. Oh, wait - your kids don't have to go to school with them, do they? So really, this doesn't affect you in the least. It's just a convenient way for you to pose as "enlightened" while calling the people who are actually concerned about this blight, a "hate group." Typical.

Also, I'm confused. Should we just recognize that gangs are simply poor, misunderstood young kids who shouldn't be criminalized for their heinous behavior? Let's just twist some statistics to show they're not as bad as some people think, and really, just an exaggerated nuisance. In fact, trying to get rid of them may actually make the problem worse. Got it.

That’s all BS. No one said they aren’t horribly vile criminals. No one said they should be addressed (which has been happening since the 90s!). It might be worth reevaluating our approach because shipping them back in the 90s just lead towards HUGE growth in #s.

But they really aren’t as prevelant as Trump’s propaganda machine implies. They are not the face of illegal immigration. They are a tiny fraction.

And what, exactly, would be *your* approach to ridding the country of this violent gang? Do tell.

If MS-13 is the priority then I wouldn’t threaten all illegal immigrants so widely so they are too fearful to speak against MS-13.

I would work with the other countries to come up with a solution. Incarceration, rehabilitation programs. Not just toss the problem over the fence for it to further fester uncontrolled.

I wouldn’t blanketly call all illegal immigrants “animals” given that they are a tiny percentage of that population.

+1. If the whole goal is to make the US safer you NEED cooperation from the neighborhoods/communities most affected by violence, specifically in this case MS13. Any cop worth their salt will tell you that.

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Anonymous wrote:MS-13 seems a lot like the mob, they make money through extortion. Except instead of people being vulnerable because of the mob corrupting the police, people are vulnerable because they fear calling the police either because they're undocumented or their family are undocumented.

MS-13 started here. It's an American phenomenon, just like the mob and other gangs.

MS-13 did not start in the US.

Yes it did. It started in Los Angeles. This is well known.

Well, one thing for sure, it appears to be composed mostly of immigrants. At least, the ones who we read about in the paper who are murderers--and, the victims, too.

Anonymous wrote:Google “illegal immigrants” and “animals” and let me know what comes up!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

"Center researchers reviewed more than 500 cases of MS-13 gang members arrested nationwide since 2012. We conclude that this resurgence represents a very serious threat to public safety in communities where MS-13 has rebuilt itself. The resurgence is directly connected to the illegal arrival and resettlement of more than 300,000 Central American youths and families that has continued unabated for six years, and to a de-prioritization of immigration enforcement in the interior of the country that occurred at the same time.
Nevertheless, because such a large share of MS-13 members are not citizens, they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and many can be removed from the communities they terrorize. Strategic use of immigration enforcement is a necessary element to disrupting and dismantling MS-13 gangs and any other transnational criminal organization operating in our communities."
The proliferation of sanctuary policies that interfere with cooperation between state and local law enforcement agencies threatens to hamper efforts to stifle MS-13 activity. The federal government must take steps to clarify how federal law permits such cooperation and also must set up consequences for those jurisdictions and officials who impose sanctuary policies.

1. You still haven’t answered the question. Do you have the intellectual honesty to actually provide an answer?

2. Your source is terrible - could be considered a hate group:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/

If you'd like to go ahead and put your liberal spin on what is violent criminal organization, please feel free. I'm sure you'll continue defending these absolute animals - at least until the day one of your loved ones is brutally attacked at school and/or murdered by them. Then I wonder what you'll have to say. Oh, wait - your kids don't have to go to school with them, do they? So really, this doesn't affect you in the least. It's just a convenient way for you to pose as "enlightened" while calling the people who are actually concerned about this blight, a "hate group." Typical.

Also, I'm confused. Should we just recognize that gangs are simply poor, misunderstood young kids who shouldn't be criminalized for their heinous behavior? Let's just twist some statistics to show they're not as bad as some people think, and really, just an exaggerated nuisance. In fact, trying to get rid of them may actually make the problem worse. Got it.

That’s all BS. No one said they aren’t horribly vile criminals. No one said they should be addressed (which has been happening since the 90s!). It might be worth reevaluating our approach because shipping them back in the 90s just lead towards HUGE growth in #s.

But they really aren’t as prevelant as Trump’s propaganda machine implies. They are not the face of illegal immigration. They are a tiny fraction.

And what, exactly, would be *your* approach to ridding the country of this violent gang? Do tell.

If MS-13 is the priority then I wouldn’t threaten all illegal immigrants so widely so they are too fearful to speak against MS-13.

I would work with the other countries to come up with a solution. Incarceration, rehabilitation programs. Not just toss the problem over the fence for it to further fester uncontrolled.

I wouldn’t blanketly call all illegal immigrants “animals” given that they are a tiny percentage of that population.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

"Center researchers reviewed more than 500 cases of MS-13 gang members arrested nationwide since 2012. We conclude that this resurgence represents a very serious threat to public safety in communities where MS-13 has rebuilt itself. The resurgence is directly connected to the illegal arrival and resettlement of more than 300,000 Central American youths and families that has continued unabated for six years, and to a de-prioritization of immigration enforcement in the interior of the country that occurred at the same time.
Nevertheless, because such a large share of MS-13 members are not citizens, they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and many can be removed from the communities they terrorize. Strategic use of immigration enforcement is a necessary element to disrupting and dismantling MS-13 gangs and any other transnational criminal organization operating in our communities."
The proliferation of sanctuary policies that interfere with cooperation between state and local law enforcement agencies threatens to hamper efforts to stifle MS-13 activity. The federal government must take steps to clarify how federal law permits such cooperation and also must set up consequences for those jurisdictions and officials who impose sanctuary policies.

1. You still haven’t answered the question. Do you have the intellectual honesty to actually provide an answer?

2. Your source is terrible - could be considered a hate group:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/

If you'd like to go ahead and put your liberal spin on what is violent criminal organization, please feel free. I'm sure you'll continue defending these absolute animals - at least until the day one of your loved ones is brutally attacked at school and/or murdered by them. Then I wonder what you'll have to say. Oh, wait - your kids don't have to go to school with them, do they? So really, this doesn't affect you in the least. It's just a convenient way for you to pose as "enlightened" while calling the people who are actually concerned about this blight, a "hate group." Typical.

Also, I'm confused. Should we just recognize that gangs are simply poor, misunderstood young kids who shouldn't be criminalized for their heinous behavior? Let's just twist some statistics to show they're not as bad as some people think, and really, just an exaggerated nuisance. In fact, trying to get rid of them may actually make the problem worse. Got it.

That’s all BS. No one said they aren’t horribly vile criminals. No one said they should be addressed (which has been happening since the 90s!). It might be worth reevaluating our approach because shipping them back in the 90s just lead towards HUGE growth in #s.

But they really aren’t as prevelant as Trump’s propaganda machine implies. They are not the face of illegal immigration. They are a tiny fraction.

And what, exactly, would be *your* approach to ridding the country of this violent gang? Do tell.

If MS-13 is the priority then I wouldn’t threaten all illegal immigrants so widely so they are too fearful to speak against MS-13.

I would work with the other countries to come up with a solution. Incarceration, rehabilitation programs. Not just toss the problem over the fence for it to further fester uncontrolled.

I wouldn’t blanketly call all illegal immigrants “animals” given that they are a tiny percentage of that population.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

"Center researchers reviewed more than 500 cases of MS-13 gang members arrested nationwide since 2012. We conclude that this resurgence represents a very serious threat to public safety in communities where MS-13 has rebuilt itself. The resurgence is directly connected to the illegal arrival and resettlement of more than 300,000 Central American youths and families that has continued unabated for six years, and to a de-prioritization of immigration enforcement in the interior of the country that occurred at the same time.
Nevertheless, because such a large share of MS-13 members are not citizens, they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and many can be removed from the communities they terrorize. Strategic use of immigration enforcement is a necessary element to disrupting and dismantling MS-13 gangs and any other transnational criminal organization operating in our communities."
The proliferation of sanctuary policies that interfere with cooperation between state and local law enforcement agencies threatens to hamper efforts to stifle MS-13 activity. The federal government must take steps to clarify how federal law permits such cooperation and also must set up consequences for those jurisdictions and officials who impose sanctuary policies.

1. You still haven’t answered the question. Do you have the intellectual honesty to actually provide an answer?

2. Your source is terrible - could be considered a hate group:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/

If you'd like to go ahead and put your liberal spin on what is violent criminal organization, please feel free. I'm sure you'll continue defending these absolute animals - at least until the day one of your loved ones is brutally attacked at school and/or murdered by them. Then I wonder what you'll have to say. Oh, wait - your kids don't have to go to school with them, do they? So really, this doesn't affect you in the least. It's just a convenient way for you to pose as "enlightened" while calling the people who are actually concerned about this blight, a "hate group." Typical.

Also, I'm confused. Should we just recognize that gangs are simply poor, misunderstood young kids who shouldn't be criminalized for their heinous behavior? Let's just twist some statistics to show they're not as bad as some people think, and really, just an exaggerated nuisance. In fact, trying to get rid of them may actually make the problem worse. Got it.

That’s all BS. No one said they aren’t horribly vile criminals. No one said they should be addressed (which has been happening since the 90s!). It might be worth reevaluating our approach because shipping them back in the 90s just lead towards HUGE growth in #s.

But they really aren’t as prevelant as Trump’s propaganda machine implies. They are not the face of illegal immigration. They are a tiny fraction.

And what, exactly, would be *your* approach to ridding the country of this violent gang? Do tell.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

"Center researchers reviewed more than 500 cases of MS-13 gang members arrested nationwide since 2012. We conclude that this resurgence represents a very serious threat to public safety in communities where MS-13 has rebuilt itself. The resurgence is directly connected to the illegal arrival and resettlement of more than 300,000 Central American youths and families that has continued unabated for six years, and to a de-prioritization of immigration enforcement in the interior of the country that occurred at the same time.
Nevertheless, because such a large share of MS-13 members are not citizens, they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and many can be removed from the communities they terrorize. Strategic use of immigration enforcement is a necessary element to disrupting and dismantling MS-13 gangs and any other transnational criminal organization operating in our communities."
The proliferation of sanctuary policies that interfere with cooperation between state and local law enforcement agencies threatens to hamper efforts to stifle MS-13 activity. The federal government must take steps to clarify how federal law permits such cooperation and also must set up consequences for those jurisdictions and officials who impose sanctuary policies.

1. You still haven’t answered the question. Do you have the intellectual honesty to actually provide an answer?

2. Your source is terrible - could be considered a hate group:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/

If you'd like to go ahead and put your liberal spin on what is violent criminal organization, please feel free. I'm sure you'll continue defending these absolute animals - at least until the day one of your loved ones is brutally attacked at school and/or murdered by them. Then I wonder what you'll have to say. Oh, wait - your kids don't have to go to school with them, do they? So really, this doesn't affect you in the least. It's just a convenient way for you to pose as "enlightened" while calling the people who are actually concerned about this blight, a "hate group." Typical.

Also, I'm confused. Should we just recognize that gangs are simply poor, misunderstood young kids who shouldn't be criminalized for their heinous behavior? Let's just twist some statistics to show they're not as bad as some people think, and really, just an exaggerated nuisance. In fact, trying to get rid of them may actually make the problem worse. Got it.

That’s all BS. No one said they aren’t horribly vile criminals. No one said they should be addressed (which has been happening since the 90s!). It might be worth reevaluating our approach because shipping them back in the 90s just lead towards HUGE growth in #s.

But they really aren’t as prevelant as Trump’s propaganda machine implies. They are not the face of illegal immigration. They are a tiny fraction.

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Anonymous wrote:MS-13 seems a lot like the mob, they make money through extortion. Except instead of people being vulnerable because of the mob corrupting the police, people are vulnerable because they fear calling the police either because they're undocumented or their family are undocumented.

MS-13 started here. It's an American phenomenon, just like the mob and other gangs.

MS-13 did not start in the US.

Yes it did. It started in Los Angeles. This is well known.