Anonymous wrote:Based on reading this, the only accommodation that people seem up in arms about is the extra time. For those of you who are against it, are you against for all students or is it that you feel that too many have been granted the accommodation?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of kids get through the work pretty quickly. Mine needs the extra time to check for careless errors.

How is this different from any other kid?

Anonymous wrote:Lots of kids get through the work pretty quickly. Mine needs the extra time to check for careless errors.

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Anonymous wrote:"I REALLY disagree. That's catering to a child with ADHD, not helping them learn to be successful in the workplace. Barring jobs where pure, isolated genius compensates for everything else, nobody can escape some drudgery. If the only goal there is to assess the child's knowledge of the content -- find, then just giving them the 3 hardest question works. But that's FAR from setting them up to be a functional person."

Do you understand how much drudgery that ADHD student has to go through to learn all the material and answer the three hard questions compared to a student without ADHD?

They aren't a genius, they have to learn the material. The student without ADHD can focus for an hour or two and do the home work or study for the test. It takes the ADHD student much longer.

They are an expert at drudgery because everything they do has to be done through drudgery. They can't do anything any other way.

You don't need a job that relies on genius, you just need a job that isn't under some type of time crunch all the time and to put in the time required for you to get the job done like any salaried employee would.

Huh? No. That does not describe the ADHD people I know. The ADHD people I know do GREAT when they have time-crunches that require them to produce important things quickly. They do terribly when they have to do drudgery-type things.

YES!!!! It is called hyper focusing! My DS does it. He scored 36 on the ACT and didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work. Read it and weep people!!!

Do you realize that you just made the point of the naysayers? Your child "didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work." So your kid did great on the ACT because he was given extra time that he didn't really need. In other words, you gamed the system. You must be so proud.

Lots of kids get through the work pretty quickly. Mine needs the extra time to check for careless errors. He scored 1580 on SAT. Love seeing that people are jealous about my kid’s accommodations, because all the years your “normal” kid bullied mine because he is different, you never knew he was going to blow your kid of the water with testing and college admissions.

You are obviously threatened by the idea that your child's academic achievements are inflated by their your adept gaming of the system. But it's not about the competition.

For degrees to have any meaning or value, everyone must be held to the same standards. Giving some people extra time for dubious "disabilities" just undermines the credibility of everyone's degree. It also results in employers getting saddled with employees who have had their quirks indulged their entire lives, so they now lack the compensatory skills that they would have been forced to learn if they weren't constantly been given accommodations throughout their childhood and in college. If they can't complete the requirements for the degree, without being given extra time and privileges that other kids don't get, they shouldn't get the degree. They should major in something that is more suited to their wiring, or learn how to cope and overcome their challenges without forcing everyone to accommodate them.

If you really wanted to help your child, you would encourage them to learn how to either overcome or at least find honest ways to compensate for their challenges -- or find a vocation that is suitable for their abilities and personality. Artificially gaming the system so they get into "better" schools and qualify to scholarships that should have gone to other children or get jobs that they may not be suited for will only hurt them in the long-run, along with the less opportunistic children and families who got sidelined by your sharp elbows. But it seems that your motivation is being able to brag about your child's accomplishments rather than actually helping them grow.

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Anonymous wrote:"I REALLY disagree. That's catering to a child with ADHD, not helping them learn to be successful in the workplace. Barring jobs where pure, isolated genius compensates for everything else, nobody can escape some drudgery. If the only goal there is to assess the child's knowledge of the content -- find, then just giving them the 3 hardest question works. But that's FAR from setting them up to be a functional person."

Do you understand how much drudgery that ADHD student has to go through to learn all the material and answer the three hard questions compared to a student without ADHD?

They aren't a genius, they have to learn the material. The student without ADHD can focus for an hour or two and do the home work or study for the test. It takes the ADHD student much longer.

They are an expert at drudgery because everything they do has to be done through drudgery. They can't do anything any other way.

You don't need a job that relies on genius, you just need a job that isn't under some type of time crunch all the time and to put in the time required for you to get the job done like any salaried employee would.

Huh? No. That does not describe the ADHD people I know. The ADHD people I know do GREAT when they have time-crunches that require them to produce important things quickly. They do terribly when they have to do drudgery-type things.

And while we're at it, why don't we get rid of disabled parking, ramps, and other aids to disabled people. Let's go back to the good old days when those people were kept at the bottom of the pack, where they belong. Make America Fail Again.

YES!!!! It is called hyper focusing! My DS does it. He scored 36 on the ACT and didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work. Read it and weep people!!!

Do you realize that you just made the point of the naysayers? Your child "didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work." So your kid did great on the ACT because he was given extra time that he didn't really need. In other words, you gamed the system. You must be so proud.

Lots of kids get through the work pretty quickly. Mine needs the extra time to check for careless errors. He scored 1580 on SAT. Love seeing that people are jealous about my kid’s accommodations, because all the years your “normal” kid bullied mine because he is different, you never knew he was going to blow your kid of the water with testing and college admissions.

You are obviously threatened by the idea that your child's academic achievements are inflated by their your adept gaming of the system. But it's not about the competition.

For degrees to have any meaning or value, everyone must be held to the same standards. Giving some people extra time for dubious "disabilities" just undermines the credibility of everyone's degree. It also results in employers getting saddled with employees who have had their quirks indulged their entire lives, so they now lack the compensatory skills that they would have been forced to learn if they weren't constantly been given accommodations throughout their childhood and in college. If they can't complete the requirements for the degree, without being given extra time and privileges that other kids don't get, they shouldn't get the degree. They should major in something that is more suited to their wiring, or learn how to cope and overcome their challenges without forcing everyone to accommodate them.

If you really wanted to help your child, you would encourage them to learn how to either overcome or at least find honest ways to compensate for their challenges -- or find a vocation that is suitable for their abilities and personality. Artificially gaming the system so they get into "better" schools and qualify to scholarships that should have gone to other children or get jobs that they may not be suited for will only hurt them in the long-run, along with the less opportunistic children and families who got sidelined by your sharp elbows. But it seems that your motivation is being able to brag about your child's accomplishments rather than actually helping them grow.

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Anonymous wrote:"I REALLY disagree. That's catering to a child with ADHD, not helping them learn to be successful in the workplace. Barring jobs where pure, isolated genius compensates for everything else, nobody can escape some drudgery. If the only goal there is to assess the child's knowledge of the content -- find, then just giving them the 3 hardest question works. But that's FAR from setting them up to be a functional person."

Do you understand how much drudgery that ADHD student has to go through to learn all the material and answer the three hard questions compared to a student without ADHD?

They aren't a genius, they have to learn the material. The student without ADHD can focus for an hour or two and do the home work or study for the test. It takes the ADHD student much longer.

They are an expert at drudgery because everything they do has to be done through drudgery. They can't do anything any other way.

You don't need a job that relies on genius, you just need a job that isn't under some type of time crunch all the time and to put in the time required for you to get the job done like any salaried employee would.

Huh? No. That does not describe the ADHD people I know. The ADHD people I know do GREAT when they have time-crunches that require them to produce important things quickly. They do terribly when they have to do drudgery-type things.

YES!!!! It is called hyper focusing! My DS does it. He scored 36 on the ACT and didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work. Read it and weep people!!!

Do you realize that you just made the point of the naysayers? Your child "didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work." So your kid did great on the ACT because he was given extra time that he didn't really need. In other words, you gamed the system. You must be so proud.

Lots of kids get through the work pretty quickly. Mine needs the extra time to check for careless errors. He scored 1580 on SAT. Love seeing that people are jealous about my kid’s accommodations, because all the years your “normal” kid bullied mine because he is different, you never knew he was going to blow your kid of the water with testing and college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:"I REALLY disagree. That's catering to a child with ADHD, not helping them learn to be successful in the workplace. Barring jobs where pure, isolated genius compensates for everything else, nobody can escape some drudgery. If the only goal there is to assess the child's knowledge of the content -- find, then just giving them the 3 hardest question works. But that's FAR from setting them up to be a functional person."

Do you understand how much drudgery that ADHD student has to go through to learn all the material and answer the three hard questions compared to a student without ADHD?

They aren't a genius, they have to learn the material. The student without ADHD can focus for an hour or two and do the home work or study for the test. It takes the ADHD student much longer.

They are an expert at drudgery because everything they do has to be done through drudgery. They can't do anything any other way.

You don't need a job that relies on genius, you just need a job that isn't under some type of time crunch all the time and to put in the time required for you to get the job done like any salaried employee would.

Huh? No. That does not describe the ADHD people I know. The ADHD people I know do GREAT when they have time-crunches that require them to produce important things quickly. They do terribly when they have to do drudgery-type things.

YES!!!! It is called hyper focusing! My DS does it. He scored 36 on the ACT and didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work. Read it and weep people!!!

Do you realize that you just made the point of the naysayers? Your child "didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work." So your kid did great on the ACT because he was given extra time that he didn't really need. In other words, you gamed the system. You must be so proud.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I REALLY disagree. That's catering to a child with ADHD, not helping them learn to be successful in the workplace. Barring jobs where pure, isolated genius compensates for everything else, nobody can escape some drudgery. If the only goal there is to assess the child's knowledge of the content -- find, then just giving them the 3 hardest question works. But that's FAR from setting them up to be a functional person."

Do you understand how much drudgery that ADHD student has to go through to learn all the material and answer the three hard questions compared to a student without ADHD?

They aren't a genius, they have to learn the material. The student without ADHD can focus for an hour or two and do the home work or study for the test. It takes the ADHD student much longer.

They are an expert at drudgery because everything they do has to be done through drudgery. They can't do anything any other way.

You don't need a job that relies on genius, you just need a job that isn't under some type of time crunch all the time and to put in the time required for you to get the job done like any salaried employee would.

Lots of kids get through the work pretty quickly. Mine needs the extra time to check for careless errors. He scored 1580 on SAT. Love seeing that people are jealous about my kid’s accommodations, because all the years your “normal” kid bullied mine because he is different, you never knew he was going to blow your kid of the water with testing and college admissions.

Huh? No. That does not describe the ADHD people I know. The ADHD people I know do GREAT when they have time-crunches that require them to produce important things quickly. They do terribly when they have to do drudgery-type things.

YES!!!! It is called hyper focusing! My DS does it. He scored 36 on the ACT and didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work. Read it and weep people!!!

Do you realize that you just made the point of the naysayers? Your child "didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work." So your kid did great on the ACT because he was given extra time that he didn't really need. In other words, you gamed the system. You must be so proud.

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Anonymous wrote:"I REALLY disagree. That's catering to a child with ADHD, not helping them learn to be successful in the workplace. Barring jobs where pure, isolated genius compensates for everything else, nobody can escape some drudgery. If the only goal there is to assess the child's knowledge of the content -- find, then just giving them the 3 hardest question works. But that's FAR from setting them up to be a functional person."

Do you understand how much drudgery that ADHD student has to go through to learn all the material and answer the three hard questions compared to a student without ADHD?

They aren't a genius, they have to learn the material. The student without ADHD can focus for an hour or two and do the home work or study for the test. It takes the ADHD student much longer.

They are an expert at drudgery because everything they do has to be done through drudgery. They can't do anything any other way.

You don't need a job that relies on genius, you just need a job that isn't under some type of time crunch all the time and to put in the time required for you to get the job done like any salaried employee would.

Huh? No. That does not describe the ADHD people I know. The ADHD people I know do GREAT when they have time-crunches that require them to produce important things quickly. They do terribly when they have to do drudgery-type things.

YES!!!! It is called hyper focusing! My DS does it. He scored 36 on the ACT and didn't really need the extra time. Used it to check his work. Read it and weep people!!!