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Then we agree that it’s not all on the woman, that the man has to do some work too—which is something these MRA nut jobs still refuse to say, unless outright abuse is involved. So why not just say we agree without calling me unhinged and crazy?

Because you’re pretending someone wrote that men had to put no effort into things, you denounce people for this figment of your imagination, you complain to the website owner, and basically you act unhinged.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re willing to break up your kids’ home so you can get laid, it says a lot about who you are as a person and why perhaps your spouse doesn’t want sex with you in the first place.

It says you are a normal person who desires sex with their spouse, which is natural, admirable, and indeed the basis of the marital contract.

The person who broke up the kids home... is the person denying sex to their spouse, not the person who leaves.

Yes. If you sign up for a monogamous married relationship, you agree to have regular sex with your husband. If you don't, you are ruining the marriage.

Because if your spouse doesn’t shower, or abuses you verbally or physically, or is just plain bad in bed, it’s your fault that you aren’t attracted to them, and not theirs?

What is this, the Middle Ages?

I thought we had moved beyond the mentality where you could beat your wife and then demand sex without any introspection on your part.

I was none of these things, and was still cut off, and pushed away from any affection at all. I also did most of the housework and earned most of the money.

My girlfriend is thrilled I'm divorced. She doesn't play any of the games that the ex did.

So you generalize from your own anecdote to all relationships everywhere and make all-encompassing pronouncements about all marriages?

I'm not generalizing to all, but I know quite a few men who bailed out of long-term marriages because their wives broke. One friend was 10 years older, he could predict with certainty why my wife, and then ex-wife, would do next because he'd lived it. I know several others now who have gone through the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re willing to break up your kids’ home so you can get laid, it says a lot about who you are as a person and why perhaps your spouse doesn’t want sex with you in the first place.

It says you are a normal person who desires sex with their spouse, which is natural, admirable, and indeed the basis of the marital contract.

The person who broke up the kids home... is the person denying sex to their spouse, not the person who leaves.

Yes. If you sign up for a monogamous married relationship, you agree to have regular sex with your husband. If you don't, you are ruining the marriage.

Because if your spouse doesn’t shower, or abuses you verbally or physically, or is just plain bad in bed, it’s your fault that you aren’t attracted to them, and not theirs?

What is this, the Middle Ages?

I thought we had moved beyond the mentality where you could beat your wife and then demand sex without any introspection on your part.

I was none of these things, and was still cut off, and pushed away from any affection at all. I also did most of the housework and earned most of the money.

My girlfriend is thrilled I'm divorced. She doesn't play any of the games that the ex did.

So you generalize from your own anecdote to all relationships everywhere and make all-encompassing pronouncements about all marriages?

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Anonymous wrote:Mutual friends divorced. He says “hell no!” when asked if he’d go back to her but then proceeds to talk about her and their divorce for over an hour. Makes me wonder...

Denial. No matter what decisions people make they still carry scars. You are equally scarred if you stay in a miserable marriage. You know deep in your heart you didn't have the guts to leave and almost can't face people who did it and found beautiful mates. At the same time the ones that ended up with beautiful mates have damage from divorce that never really goes away. Only people with very high emotional capacity can handle the complexity of the wounds with honesty. When most people feel pain they want a fake definite emotion like joy , anger or hate to cover up the actual debilitating reality.

100% agree with this. Well said

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Then we agree that it’s not all on the woman, that the man has to do some work too—which is something these MRA nut jobs still refuse to say, unless outright abuse is involved. So why not just say we agree without calling me unhinged and crazy?

Because you’re pretending someone wrote that men had to put no effort into things, you denounce people for this figment of your imagination, you complain to the website owner, and basically you act unhinged.

Show me where one poster on this thread said that women have a right to refuse sex for anything other than straight-up abuse? You can’t. In fact, one guy said that moms should make sure their daughters offer unrestricted sex (that post was deleted). Another guy said that women have to figure it all out and tell the guy, but nothing about whether he even has to follow through. Just give him sex.

Any woman would see the hypocrisy in this. You’re no woman.

Meh, you’re a waste of time. Bye.

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Anonymous wrote:Mutual friends divorced. He says “hell no!” when asked if he’d go back to her but then proceeds to talk about her and their divorce for over an hour. Makes me wonder...

Denial. No matter what decisions people make they still carry scars. You are equally scarred if you stay in a miserable marriage. You know deep in your heart you didn't have the guts to leave and almost can't face people who did it and found beautiful mates. At the same time the ones that ended up with beautiful mates have damage from divorce that never really goes away. Only people with very high emotional capacity can handle the complexity of the wounds with honesty. When most people feel pain they want a fake definite emotion like joy , anger or hate to cover up the actual debilitating reality.

100% agree with this. Well said

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Anonymous wrote:Mutual friends divorced. He says “hell no!” when asked if he’d go back to her but then proceeds to talk about her and their divorce for over an hour. Makes me wonder...

Denial. No matter what decisions people make they still carry scars. You are equally scarred if you stay in a miserable marriage. You know deep in your heart you didn't have the guts to leave and almost can't face people who did it and found beautiful mates. At the same time the ones that ended up with beautiful mates have damage from divorce that never really goes away. Only people with very high emotional capacity can handle the complexity of the wounds with honesty. When most people feel pain they want a fake definite emotion like joy , anger or hate to cover up the actual debilitating reality.

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Then we agree that it’s not all on the woman, that the man has to do some work too—which is something these MRA nut jobs still refuse to say, unless outright abuse is involved. So why not just say we agree without calling me unhinged and crazy?

Because you’re pretending someone wrote that men had to put no effort into things, you denounce people for this figment of your imagination, you complain to the website owner, and basically you act unhinged.

Then we agree that it’s not all on the woman, that the man has to do some work too—which is something these MRA nut jobs still refuse to say, unless outright abuse is involved. So why not just say we agree without calling me unhinged and crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re willing to break up your kids’ home so you can get laid, it says a lot about who you are as a person and why perhaps your spouse doesn’t want sex with you in the first place.

It says you are a normal person who desires sex with their spouse, which is natural, admirable, and indeed the basis of the marital contract.

The person who broke up the kids home... is the person denying sex to their spouse, not the person who leaves.

Yes. If you sign up for a monogamous married relationship, you agree to have regular sex with your husband. If you don't, you are ruining the marriage.

Because if your spouse doesn’t shower, or abuses you verbally or physically, or is just plain bad in bed, it’s your fault that you aren’t attracted to them, and not theirs?

What is this, the Middle Ages?

I thought we had moved beyond the mentality where you could beat your wife and then demand sex without any introspection on your part.

Sorry, but you need to divorce your husband, or at least separate, if he is abusing you. If he has hygiene problems, you knew this when you married him so why the change now. Denying your husband sex is never an answer to marital problems. its the same with an affair, deal with the problem. Leave, or prepare to leave but don't play games. If you thought sex was an option when you married, why didn't you just co-parent with them and leave marriage out of the equation? You can be roommates. Oh, wait, that doesn't come with the financial benefits, and status that being married does.

And men . . . you need to reclaim your "B*lls" because your wife is emasculating you. If she voluntarily voids your marriage PARTNERSHIP by denying you sex, then WHY are you still married?

Yuck.

Why is it her fault if you don’t turn her on? Take some responsibility here. Are you the poster who is always asking women if they got fat as a justification for the husband’s affairs? If so, back to you in spades. Lose that extra 50 lbs, trim those nose hairs, stop leaving your toenail clippings all over the place, brush your teeth. Heck, stop sulking around the house and put more effort into the things SHE needs, like flowers and conversation.

Also, XDH developed hygiene problems in the last 2 years of a 21-year marriage.

Yuck? Are you a child? Because your response is childish. And yes, i am a woman.

When you decide to be married, you accept the responsibilities that come with it.

Don’t assume you know anything about me. XDH was the one who cut off sex in the six months before he left, not me. Also, I didn’t leave, XDH did because, he said, he didn’t want to pay for DC’s Ivy any more (and instead he bought not 1 but 2 sports cars in the year after he left and his relationship with DC is in the toilet). It was a relief that he left, frankly, even though my mom and I had to pay for DC’s remaining two years at the college.

So you got me wrong. My issue is with these cavemen who demand sex and deny any responsibility for making the marriage, including sex, work.

Kinda doubt you’re a woman.

Yep, i was born and remain that way. Your post sounds unhinged and crazy. If that is your argument, we agree. Both parties are responsible for keeping a marriage alive.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re willing to break up your kids’ home so you can get laid, it says a lot about who you are as a person and why perhaps your spouse doesn’t want sex with you in the first place.

It says you are a normal person who desires sex with their spouse, which is natural, admirable, and indeed the basis of the marital contract.

The person who broke up the kids home... is the person denying sex to their spouse, not the person who leaves.

Yes. If you sign up for a monogamous married relationship, you agree to have regular sex with your husband. If you don't, you are ruining the marriage.

Because if your spouse doesn’t shower, or abuses you verbally or physically, or is just plain bad in bed, it’s your fault that you aren’t attracted to them, and not theirs?

What is this, the Middle Ages?

I thought we had moved beyond the mentality where you could beat your wife and then demand sex without any introspection on your part.

Sorry, but you need to divorce your husband, or at least separate, if he is abusing you. If he has hygiene problems, you knew this when you married him so why the change now. Denying your husband sex is never an answer to marital problems. its the same with an affair, deal with the problem. Leave, or prepare to leave but don't play games. If you thought sex was an option when you married, why didn't you just co-parent with them and leave marriage out of the equation? You can be roommates. Oh, wait, that doesn't come with the financial benefits, and status that being married does.

And men . . . you need to reclaim your "B*lls" because your wife is emasculating you. If she voluntarily voids your marriage PARTNERSHIP by denying you sex, then WHY are you still married?

Yuck.

Why is it her fault if you don’t turn her on? Take some responsibility here. Are you the poster who is always asking women if they got fat as a justification for the husband’s affairs? If so, back to you in spades. Lose that extra 50 lbs, trim those nose hairs, stop leaving your toenail clippings all over the place, brush your teeth. Heck, stop sulking around the house and put more effort into the things SHE needs, like flowers and conversation.

Also, XDH developed hygiene problems in the last 2 years of a 21-year marriage.

Yuck? Are you a child? Because your response is childish. And yes, i am a woman.

When you decide to be married, you accept the responsibilities that come with it.

Don’t assume you know anything about me. XDH was the one who cut off sex in the six months before he left, not me. Also, I didn’t leave, XDH did because, he said, he didn’t want to pay for DC’s Ivy any more (and instead he bought not 1 but 2 sports cars in the year after he left and his relationship with DC is in the toilet). It was a relief that he left, frankly, even though my mom and I had to pay for DC’s remaining two years at the college.

So you got me wrong. My issue is with these cavemen who demand sex and deny any responsibility for making the marriage, including sex, work.

Kinda doubt you’re a woman.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re willing to break up your kids’ home so you can get laid, it says a lot about who you are as a person and why perhaps your spouse doesn’t want sex with you in the first place.

It says you are a normal person who desires sex with their spouse, which is natural, admirable, and indeed the basis of the marital contract.

The person who broke up the kids home... is the person denying sex to their spouse, not the person who leaves.

Yes. If you sign up for a monogamous married relationship, you agree to have regular sex with your husband. If you don't, you are ruining the marriage.

Because if your spouse doesn’t shower, or abuses you verbally or physically, or is just plain bad in bed, it’s your fault that you aren’t attracted to them, and not theirs?

What is this, the Middle Ages?

I thought we had moved beyond the mentality where you could beat your wife and then demand sex without any introspection on your part.

Sorry, but you need to divorce your husband, or at least separate, if he is abusing you. If he has hygiene problems, you knew this when you married him so why the change now. Denying your husband sex is never an answer to marital problems. its the same with an affair, deal with the problem. Leave, or prepare to leave but don't play games. If you thought sex was an option when you married, why didn't you just co-parent with them and leave marriage out of the equation? You can be roommates. Oh, wait, that doesn't come with the financial benefits, and status that being married does.

And men . . . you need to reclaim your "B*lls" because your wife is emasculating you. If she voluntarily voids your marriage PARTNERSHIP by denying you sex, then WHY are you still married?

Yuck.

Why is it her fault if you don’t turn her on? Take some responsibility here. Are you the poster who is always asking women if they got fat as a justification for the husband’s affairs? If so, back to you in spades. Lose that extra 50 lbs, trim those nose hairs, stop leaving your toenail clippings all over the place, brush your teeth. Heck, stop sulking around the house and put more effort into the things SHE needs, like flowers and conversation.

Also, XDH developed hygiene problems in the last 2 years of a 21-year marriage.

Yuck? Are you a child? Because your response is childish. And yes, i am a woman.

When you decide to be married, you accept the responsibilities that come with it.

Don’t assume you know anything about me. XDH was the one who cut off sex in the six months before he left, not me. Also, I didn’t leave, XDH did because, he said, he didn’t want to pay for DC’s Ivy any more (and instead he bought not 1 but 2 sports cars in the year after he left and his relationship with DC is in the toilet). It was a relief that he left, frankly, even though my mom and I had to pay for DC’s remaining two years at the college.

So you got me wrong. My issue is with these cavemen who demand sex and deny any responsibility for making the marriage, including sex, work.

Kinda doubt you’re a woman.