Anonymous
02/17/2018 17:57
Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Another news source posted the child is disabled. But awesome you folks calling a 3-year old child with autism a monster.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 17:25
Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
How do we know what actually happened? It was a 4 minute video, and account of just one man. I highly doubt that the child screamed for the entire 8 hours. The guy started filming before the plane took off, shows the lack of any empathy and sensitivity on his part.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 16:59
Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is with the indignation over some person recording this and putting it on the Internet? Big deal.
Agree. This didn’t happen in a vacuum. This kid’s “right to fly” doesn’t supercede the hundreds of other people’s right to a non torturous flight.
Two separate issues here:
1. Kid's behavior obviously not acceptable on a plane.
2. Not appropriate to publicly distribute videos of other people's children without permission.
Again, it's a public space. The video is necessary - otherwise people can deny it, even with a plane full of eyewitnesses.
United would probably still be pulling crap if it weren't for that video of that bloodied doctor.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 16:54
Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is with the indignation over some person recording this and putting it on the Internet? Big deal.
Agree. This didn’t happen in a vacuum. This kid’s “right to fly” doesn’t supercede the hundreds of other people’s right to a non torturous flight.
Two separate issues here:
1. Kid's behavior obviously not acceptable on a plane.
2. Not appropriate to publicly distribute videos of other people's children without permission.
You do not need permission if it is a public space. There is no “right to privacy” in public.
You're confusing legality with propriety. It's not illegal, but it's not the right thing to do.
I think they lost that when they let the kid be a monster.
Absolutely agree. And for 8 hours!
Anonymous
02/17/2018 16:52
Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Was the mom traveling alone with this SN child AND a baby? What about her partner? I didn’t see any efforts expended. No sorry or explanation to other passengers either. No preparation. No donwloaded materials, toys, Benadryl....What entitlement! She/They have probably gotten away with this and much worse before and this will continue.
No one knows if this kid was SN and not all SN kids act this way. It was bad parenting. You don't drug kids either.
The kid obviously has special needs. No 3 NT year old screams for 8 hrs (assuming that wasn't an exgaggeration).
Nobody here knows the full story, but people want to pile on the mom. No surprise there! Hopefully none of those folks consider themselves Christian.
It's not piling on the mom to recognize that she boarded a plane poorly prepared to take an 8 hour flight with a special needs child. If there were another caregiver or parent present, then that person would also be sharing the blame.
Of course it's piling on the mom. This video was placed online precisely to evoke humiliation and shaming of her. Who knows what measures she tried to take. Even if there were something else she could have done, there's no guarantee the kid would not have screamed. And at the end of the day, the passengers all went home, and this mom stayed the mother of an autistic little boy with some big struggles. Anyone who sees this video and does not feel a lot of sympathy for the mom is extremely self centered and ignorant. And yes, you can be both annoyed and sympathetic at the same time. It's called life. Being a GOOD person happens in exactly these kids of situations.
PP here. I'm a mom and grandmother who works with special needs kids every day. I have the utmost compassion for any parent who's trying to provide a loving, supportive home and environment for children with similar needs. I agree that the video should never have been posted. At the same time, it's clear from the video that she did not take the kinds of measures needed for an 8 hour flight with a 3 year old who exhibits these kinds of behaviors. Not even close, when you consider what's available.
I think the video should have been posted and people who subject others to that b.s. should be called out for it.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 16:43
Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/02/14/rude-passenger-booted-from-delta-flight-for-screaming-about-being-seated-near-baby.html
this is great. I love when the woman who refers to the attendant by first name and then drops the "you might not have a job tomorrow tabitha"
At which pointin time,. Tabitha tells the people that "I don't want her on MY plane" Miss bitch changes tune real fast. LOVE it...
She was in the wrong, but this is nothing like what the thread is about. The baby on this plane was not crying; the toddler on the German flight was screaming for 8 hours running up and down the aisle. The woman screamed at the baby; people are saying someone should've told the mother to control her child. I don't think most people are saying that someone should've yelled at the mother or toddler, though I'm betting some people strongly had the desire to.
Completely different situation.
^sorry, I obviously didn't read your post well. I thought you were saying that people shouldn't scold the child.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 16:42
Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/02/14/rude-passenger-booted-from-delta-flight-for-screaming-about-being-seated-near-baby.html
this is great. I love when the woman who refers to the attendant by first name and then drops the "you might not have a job tomorrow tabitha"
At which pointin time,. Tabitha tells the people that "I don't want her on MY plane" Miss bitch changes tune real fast. LOVE it...
She was in the wrong, but this is nothing like what the thread is about. The baby on this plane was not crying; the toddler on the German flight was screaming for 8 hours running up and down the aisle. The woman screamed at the baby; people are saying someone should've told the mother to control her child. I don't think most people are saying that someone should've yelled at the mother or toddler, though I'm betting some people strongly had the desire to.
Completely different situation.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 16:37
Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would no one tell him off? He's not a baby but a child who can process some communication. Unbelievable. I would have scolded him, SN or not. There's something called common courtesy.
You obviously don't have a kid or you're a jerk or both.
DP... this is partly why there are so many out of control kids. No one willing to scold them. Adults can't stand up to a toddler now when the toddler is doing something wrong because it might hurt their feelings? The expectations Americans have their childrens' behavior is pathetically low.
--signed a parent of two children who have flown with them across the atlantic a few times.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 16:31
Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Why would no one tell him off? He's not a baby but a child who can process some communication. Unbelievable. I would have scolded him, SN or not. There's something called common courtesy.
You obviously don't have a kid or you're a jerk or both.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 16:04
Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is with the indignation over some person recording this and putting it on the Internet? Big deal.
Agree. This didn’t happen in a vacuum. This kid’s “right to fly” doesn’t supercede the hundreds of other people’s right to a non torturous flight.
Two separate issues here:
1. Kid's behavior obviously not acceptable on a plane.
2. Not appropriate to publicly distribute videos of other people's children without permission.
You do not need permission if it is a public space. There is no “right to privacy” in public.
You're confusing legality with propriety. It's not illegal, but it's not the right thing to do.
I think they lost that when they let the kid be a monster.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Agreed that kid's/parent's behavior was unacceptable.
Also unacceptable to globally humiliate/excoriate a little kid.
I'd hope that we can all agree on both points.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 14:44
Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is with the indignation over some person recording this and putting it on the Internet? Big deal.
Agree. This didn’t happen in a vacuum. This kid’s “right to fly” doesn’t supercede the hundreds of other people’s right to a non torturous flight.
Two separate issues here:
1. Kid's behavior obviously not acceptable on a plane.
2. Not appropriate to publicly distribute videos of other people's children without permission.
You do not need permission if it is a public space. There is no “right to privacy” in public.
You're confusing legality with propriety. It's not illegal, but it's not the right thing to do.
I think they lost that when they let the kid be a monster.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 13:04
Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is with the indignation over some person recording this and putting it on the Internet? Big deal.
Agree. This didn’t happen in a vacuum. This kid’s “right to fly” doesn’t supercede the hundreds of other people’s right to a non torturous flight.
Two separate issues here:
1. Kid's behavior obviously not acceptable on a plane.
2. Not appropriate to publicly distribute videos of other people's children without permission.
You do not need permission if it is a public space. There is no “right to privacy” in public.
You're confusing legality with propriety. It's not illegal, but it's not the right thing to do.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 12:01
Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is with the indignation over some person recording this and putting it on the Internet? Big deal.
Agree. This didn’t happen in a vacuum. This kid’s “right to fly” doesn’t supercede the hundreds of other people’s right to a non torturous flight.
Two separate issues here:
1. Kid's behavior obviously not acceptable on a plane.
2. Not appropriate to publicly distribute videos of other people's children without permission.
You do not need permission if it is a public space. There is no “right to privacy” in public.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 11:52
Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is with the indignation over some person recording this and putting it on the Internet? Big deal.
Agree. This didn’t happen in a vacuum. This kid’s “right to fly” doesn’t supercede the hundreds of other people’s right to a non torturous flight.
Two separate issues here:
1. Kid's behavior obviously not acceptable on a plane.
2. Not appropriate to publicly distribute videos of other people's children without permission.
Anonymous
02/17/2018 09:22
Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
My 18 mo child screamed from San Fran to Dulles. We did everything we could to comfort him. People were probably annoyed, but acted sympathetic. We didn’t let him climb around though.
Every flight prior he had slept and generally been an angel. We had toys, snacks, books, everything he could need.
Every flight prior he had slept and generally been an angel. We had toys, snacks, books, everything he could need.