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Anonymous wrote:Now that I think about it, I would like to see everyone at a GS9 and up NOT get back pay if furloughed. Let them feel the brunt of Dems holding the government and its emoloyees hostage in favor of illegal immigrants.

Eff you.

Nope. Time for liberals to feel the impact of their policies. Regular people have been furloughed and laid off for eons, and not only don't they get back pay, they usually lose their jobs entirely. Time for the protected liberal Feds to feel the pain of liberal policies they support.

We'll see how much you care about the Dreamers if it means you lose a week's pay.

You are a moron. Do you think only liberals are Feds?

Primarily, yes.

Depends on where you're looking. DOJ types -- probably yes. At my financial agency -- oh hell no. Overall people are pretty happy with Trump, euphoric re the market etc. and while we don't say it to be polite, no one cares all that much about the dreamers either . . . .

Which financial agency is that? Because they don't make money out of the market. On the contrary, they are losing jobs.

The fact that you think DOJ is liberal tells me that you are not a fed. Troll.

If you don’t want to believe me that’s fine. I know plenty of DC DOJ types - all bleeding heart liberals in my medium sample size. As for my financial agency, I wasn’t suggesting we’re getting stock options but lots and lots of us are heavily investing our non GS salaries so yeah we’ve all been pretty happy with the market.

Anonymous wrote:^^ That's so ridiculous, but true.

Why is it so hard to pass DACA and pass something sensible like improving border security, to include making e-verify mandatory and give it some teeth.

Because the issue is then pulled off the table and The GOP can't use lives of 800K DACA recipients as a bargaining chip.
True story. Republican's don't want to fix DACA, yet they are too p#ssy to get their hands dirty and load cattle cars of filled with humans to ship across the border.

They are spineless and not able to coherently lead.

Anonymous wrote:Ryan is saying the Dems are holding military fundin hostage. Laughable when the GOP controls Senate, House, and WH. He is such a mendacious little weasel. I feel like the shutdown will happen.

Like obama closing the national parks? I’ll take these odds, even with the lying media arrayed against us in all their Josef goebbels glory. Let’s shut it down. For a long damn time.

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If the Democrats want to hold the budget hostage because they want a DACA deal then shame on them. Deal with DACA separately. Shame an any party that continues to tack different agendas together as a way to fight the other side. The spending bill doesn't, and shouldn't, have anything to do with DACA.

Do you know why DACA is an issue today? Because the GOP was never once willing to put it to the floor for a vote, so no.

Exactly. The GOP as a whole hasn't acted in good faith on this issue at any point along the way. Dems would be fools to believe that if they pass this resolution the GOP will start negotiating sincerely on DACA.

After all, Susan Collins is still waiting on Obamacare stabilization, and the GOP isn't even pretending to keep their word on that one.

There is a viable proposal for dealing with DACA but it needs funding for the wall/enhanced border security, limiting chain migration, and cutting back on the number of new immigrants by limiting to a merit based system without regard to country of origin. If these are part of the legislation the DACA kids can be given right of residence and a pathway to citizenship.

So DACA beneficiaries are just pawns to achieve other ends. Got it.

DACA beneficiaries are getting a break if legislation passes. What is required is to take measures to minimize the likelihood of it happening again.

So punish the DACA beneficiaries for things other people might do in the future.

How very... something... of you.

Bizarre reasoning ........

You know they're human beings, right? Human beings who are innocent victims in this? They're not things, they're not trash, they're actual human beings, just like you, with just as much inherent value as you have.

And the people who are immigrating here legally and in so many cases have been stuck in the legal immigration line for 15 years or more without any idea of whether they'll get a green card in the end are human beings too. Why are you prioritizing those whose families broke the law? Do you extend the same consideration to children of Americans whose parents have committed a crime, however puny, and have to go to jail? This double standard is a cruel joke.

signed,

Legal Immigrant

True that! Signed many-generation American.

Nobody waits that long, unless they are parents or adult children of immigrants. Are you for chain migration now?

^^ That's so ridiculous, but true.

Why is it so hard to pass DACA and pass something sensible like improving border security, to include making e-verify mandatory and give it some teeth.

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If the Democrats want to hold the budget hostage because they want a DACA deal then shame on them. Deal with DACA separately. Shame an any party that continues to tack different agendas together as a way to fight the other side. The spending bill doesn't, and shouldn't, have anything to do with DACA.

Do you know why DACA is an issue today? Because the GOP was never once willing to put it to the floor for a vote, so no.

Exactly. The GOP as a whole hasn't acted in good faith on this issue at any point along the way. Dems would be fools to believe that if they pass this resolution the GOP will start negotiating sincerely on DACA.

After all, Susan Collins is still waiting on Obamacare stabilization, and the GOP isn't even pretending to keep their word on that one.

There is a viable proposal for dealing with DACA but it needs funding for the wall/enhanced border security, limiting chain migration, and cutting back on the number of new immigrants by limiting to a merit based system without regard to country of origin. If these are part of the legislation the DACA kids can be given right of residence and a pathway to citizenship.

So DACA beneficiaries are just pawns to achieve other ends. Got it.

DACA beneficiaries are getting a break if legislation passes. What is required is to take measures to minimize the likelihood of it happening again.

So punish the DACA beneficiaries for things other people might do in the future.

How very... something... of you.

Bizarre reasoning ........

Another PP here. I am a Dem and even I cannot figure out where the PP is going with this. A bill that takes care of the Dreamers is fine with most of us. We are not crazy about some of the other parts, but protecting Dreamers is the priority at this point.

I am a Dem too. We are about to blow it, again, by concentrating all our efforts on illegal immigration.
Speak for yourself, and check the cover of the Post this morning on who is likely to get the blame depending on the grounds:

But the public view shifts if voters think the government is shuttering because of the immigration issue, particularly in five states that Trump won in 2018 by overwhelming margins and where Democratic senators face reelection in November: Indiana, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota and West Virginia.

In those five states, voters split the shutdown blame evenly between Trump and Democrats. That result shifts, 48 percent to 39 percent, onto Democratic shoulders if the DACA issue is what led to the shutdown.

In the other seven states, which are more diverse, immigration does not affect voter sentiment, with blame falling on Trump by a double-digit margin if there is a DACA-driven shutdown.

Any path for Democrats to win the Senate majority, either in November’s midterms or in the 2020 election, rests on successfully defending almost all of those “Big Five” seats, as Schumer refers to his incumbents from deep-red states.

If Democrats can make this looming shutdown about Trump and his ability to govern, they will be in a strong position to win the fight nationally and help the “Big Five” hold their own.

If Republicans can make it about immigration, the victory is probably theirs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/jurys-out-on-winners-and-losers-in-latest-shutdown-standoff/2018/01/18/b5dd2a82-fc7f-11e7-ad8c-ecbb62019393_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_pkcapitol-815pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.9671c3f2b309

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If the Democrats want to hold the budget hostage because they want a DACA deal then shame on them. Deal with DACA separately. Shame an any party that continues to tack different agendas together as a way to fight the other side. The spending bill doesn't, and shouldn't, have anything to do with DACA.

Do you know why DACA is an issue today? Because the GOP was never once willing to put it to the floor for a vote, so no.

Exactly. The GOP as a whole hasn't acted in good faith on this issue at any point along the way. Dems would be fools to believe that if they pass this resolution the GOP will start negotiating sincerely on DACA.

After all, Susan Collins is still waiting on Obamacare stabilization, and the GOP isn't even pretending to keep their word on that one.

There is a viable proposal for dealing with DACA but it needs funding for the wall/enhanced border security, limiting chain migration, and cutting back on the number of new immigrants by limiting to a merit based system without regard to country of origin. If these are part of the legislation the DACA kids can be given right of residence and a pathway to citizenship.

So DACA beneficiaries are just pawns to achieve other ends. Got it.

DACA beneficiaries are getting a break if legislation passes. What is required is to take measures to minimize the likelihood of it happening again.

So punish the DACA beneficiaries for things other people might do in the future.

How very... something... of you.

Bizarre reasoning ........

You know they're human beings, right? Human beings who are innocent victims in this? They're not things, they're not trash, they're actual human beings, just like you, with just as much inherent value as you have.

And the people who are immigrating here legally and in so many cases have been stuck in the legal immigration line for 15 years or more without any idea of whether they'll get a green card in the end are human beings too. Why are you prioritizing those whose families broke the law? Do you extend the same consideration to children of Americans whose parents have committed a crime, however puny, and have to go to jail? This double standard is a cruel joke.

signed,

Legal Immigrant

Agree. What's with this "they're human beings" argument? That's the problem with so many liberals. Ridiculous justification and defense for illegal behavior that is detrimental to American citizens.

Using that argument, we should allow anybody to immigrate....drug dealers, murderers, included. Or what about someone who was deported five times and keeps returning? What MS-13 members? After all, they're human too.

Any DACA kid who was provided the opportunity for a high school education, courtesy of Americans who obey the law, AND dropped out anyway (as did 1 out of 5) should be sent home. Don't we have enough high school dropouts already?

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If the Democrats want to hold the budget hostage because they want a DACA deal then shame on them. Deal with DACA separately. Shame an any party that continues to tack different agendas together as a way to fight the other side. The spending bill doesn't, and shouldn't, have anything to do with DACA.

Do you know why DACA is an issue today? Because the GOP was never once willing to put it to the floor for a vote, so no.

Exactly. The GOP as a whole hasn't acted in good faith on this issue at any point along the way. Dems would be fools to believe that if they pass this resolution the GOP will start negotiating sincerely on DACA.

After all, Susan Collins is still waiting on Obamacare stabilization, and the GOP isn't even pretending to keep their word on that one.

There is a viable proposal for dealing with DACA but it needs funding for the wall/enhanced border security, limiting chain migration, and cutting back on the number of new immigrants by limiting to a merit based system without regard to country of origin. If these are part of the legislation the DACA kids can be given right of residence and a pathway to citizenship.

So DACA beneficiaries are just pawns to achieve other ends. Got it.

DACA beneficiaries are getting a break if legislation passes. What is required is to take measures to minimize the likelihood of it happening again.

So punish the DACA beneficiaries for things other people might do in the future.

How very... something... of you.

Bizarre reasoning ........

You know they're human beings, right? Human beings who are innocent victims in this? They're not things, they're not trash, they're actual human beings, just like you, with just as much inherent value as you have.

And the people who are immigrating here legally and in so many cases have been stuck in the legal immigration line for 15 years or more without any idea of whether they'll get a green card in the end are human beings too. Why are you prioritizing those whose families broke the law? Do you extend the same consideration to children of Americans whose parents have committed a crime, however puny, and have to go to jail? This double standard is a cruel joke.

signed,

Legal Immigrant

True that! Signed many-generation American.

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They are in the country illegally ..... they have no more right to reside in this country on a permanent basis than any other foreigner.

You are sending them back to a country they don’t remember or have ties to, in many cases. If they came here as children, they are for all intensive purposes citizens.

Which is why an attempt is being made to help them out but it is an imperative that we minimize the possibility that it happens again and with the Democratic party being captive to the Hispanic lobby nothing will get passed in the way of meaningful border security without including DACA as part of the deal.

Traditionally a GOP constituency based on Cuba policy and pro-life. I guess the GOP wants to flush another voting block down the toilet.

No, what happens is that after they've gotten what they want from Democrats, they turn around and join the GOP based on socially conservative positions. This vote pandering is a losing proposition for Democrats both in the short and the long run.

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If the Democrats want to hold the budget hostage because they want a DACA deal then shame on them. Deal with DACA separately. Shame an any party that continues to tack different agendas together as a way to fight the other side. The spending bill doesn't, and shouldn't, have anything to do with DACA.

Do you know why DACA is an issue today? Because the GOP was never once willing to put it to the floor for a vote, so no.

Exactly. The GOP as a whole hasn't acted in good faith on this issue at any point along the way. Dems would be fools to believe that if they pass this resolution the GOP will start negotiating sincerely on DACA.

After all, Susan Collins is still waiting on Obamacare stabilization, and the GOP isn't even pretending to keep their word on that one.

There is a viable proposal for dealing with DACA but it needs funding for the wall/enhanced border security, limiting chain migration, and cutting back on the number of new immigrants by limiting to a merit based system without regard to country of origin. If these are part of the legislation the DACA kids can be given right of residence and a pathway to citizenship.

So DACA beneficiaries are just pawns to achieve other ends. Got it.

DACA beneficiaries are getting a break if legislation passes. What is required is to take measures to minimize the likelihood of it happening again.

So punish the DACA beneficiaries for things other people might do in the future.

How very... something... of you.

Bizarre reasoning ........

You know they're human beings, right? Human beings who are innocent victims in this? They're not things, they're not trash, they're actual human beings, just like you, with just as much inherent value as you have.

And the people who are immigrating here legally and in so many cases have been stuck in the legal immigration line for 15 years or more without any idea of whether they'll get a green card in the end are human beings too. Why are you prioritizing those whose families broke the law? Do you extend the same consideration to children of Americans whose parents have committed a crime, however puny, and have to go to jail? This double standard is a cruel joke.

signed,

Legal Immigrant

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Anonymous wrote:The Democrats will be blamed for this shutdown in the polling booths despite their protestations otherwise.

Hillary and Trump were both hawks.

Duh.

Americans are paying attention right now. They want a permanent DACA resolution, they want CHIP funded for at least 6 if not 10 years (saves $6B over ten years to fund it now) and they want the nonsense to stop. The GOP are fully in control and could do all of this yesterday, but they aren't.

No way the dems get blamed for this.

The dems are big idiots, they can't accept that the republicans are I the drivers seat and can use DACA ad leverage to get whay they want with immigration. Good job pandering to illegals, demz!

Yes, the Democrats' lopsided priorities, in which they give more priority to children of illegals than American workers on full display. "Give amnesty to these illegals or we will stop the paychecks of 800,000 federal employees!" On the other side, we have Republicans holding firm to helping ensure border security and enforcing the law against illegals. (Horrors! Enforcing immigration law!)

Here's the compromise: The DACA adults will get legal resident status but never be entitled to vote (sorry, Dems) or take welfare, AND their illegal parents go home. These adults can choose that, or leave with their families. The cost will already be great, considering the DACA anchor babies will drive up costs on American citizens and eventually vote. That's enough of a penalty to pay for the actions of these illegal DACA parents, and if they broke the law to give a better life for their kids, as claimed, they go back and DACA kids remain.

Trump is jonesing for a government shutdown - he can’t wait for an extended vacation, his current light schedule is too taxing! “Am I considered essential?”

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Anonymous wrote:The Democrats will be blamed for this shutdown in the polling booths despite their protestations otherwise.

Hillary and Trump were both hawks.

Duh.

Americans are paying attention right now. They want a permanent DACA resolution, they want CHIP funded for at least 6 if not 10 years (saves $6B over ten years to fund it now) and they want the nonsense to stop. The GOP are fully in control and could do all of this yesterday, but they aren't.

No way the dems get blamed for this.

The dems are big idiots, they can't accept that the republicans are I the drivers seat and can use DACA ad leverage to get whay they want with immigration. Good job pandering to illegals, demz!

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is willing to shutdown the government because Democrats won’t pay for a wall that Trump wants and promised that Mexico would pay for. So. Much. Winning.

Nope pretty sure it’s the 14 senate dems who can’t do anything without worry for the DACA illegals.

Trump, McConnell, Ryan, and 64 percent of Republicans support a DACA fix. They could bring it to a vote tomorrow morning and it would pass easily. Same with CHIP. And yet they don’t. Maybe they will actually do some work if the government shuts down.

Nah. Staffers are furloughed as they are non-essential.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that I think about it, I would like to see everyone at a GS9 and up NOT get back pay if furloughed. Let them feel the brunt of Dems holding the government and its emoloyees hostage in favor of illegal immigrants.

You mean Repubs holding the government and its employees hostage for a wall that Trump promised Mexico would pay for.

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