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Anonymous wrote:The fact is, it takes a lot of effort to spend money.

My husband and I have a lot. But we lead a modest lifestyle because that's what we're used to, and because the things that matter the most to us - seeing family and friends, exercising, reading - are more rewarding than figuring out ways to spend money. When we need new things, we buy them (on eBay, if possible) - but otherwise, we don't bother. Too much trouble.

Honey, you sound depressed. It's easy to spend money if you like to travel, eat in nice restaurants, go out to bars, see shows or concerts, etc. etc. It's not all about buying STUFF.

What if you don't? One can be happy with their lifestyle without any of suggested experiences. We went out yesterday. I felt it was a waste of money, while it was a regular pleasant experience.

You don't sound happy if you can't enjoy a pleasant outing without feeling like it was a waste of money.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact is, it takes a lot of effort to spend money.

My husband and I have a lot. But we lead a modest lifestyle because that's what we're used to, and because the things that matter the most to us - seeing family and friends, exercising, reading - are more rewarding than figuring out ways to spend money. When we need new things, we buy them (on eBay, if possible) - but otherwise, we don't bother. Too much trouble.

Honey, you sound depressed. It's easy to spend money if you like to travel, eat in nice restaurants, go out to bars, see shows or concerts, etc. etc. It's not all about buying STUFF.

What if you don't? One can be happy with their lifestyle without any of suggested experiences. We went out yesterday. I felt it was a waste of money, while it was a regular pleasant experience.

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Please, you are delusional. The US is headed to developing country status and if you look at all other developing countries, you'll see what's happening here. There's a small and privileged upper class, a huge lower class, and a middle class that's doing barely better. The wealthy are good at adapting to this situation, and keep the lower classes in line by throwing out scapegoats and manufactured issues to fight over like dogs. So no, the French Revolution will not be happening again.

Not really. The % of young people earning college degrees is considerably higher than it was 20 years ago. What type of jobs will they be working? Middle class jobs.

The issue is with low-skilled workers. Factories are become more automated, and the people that do work in them need advanced skills. With that, they can do OK as a middle class worker, but without those extra skills, they'll definitely be lower class.

We need to increase apprenticeship and vocational training.

The facts on the ground disagree. Half of young college graduates are either unemployed or underemployed, and it's been that way for several years now. A full 50% of graduates either can't find work or can't find work that required the last four years of their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:We are not as rich as the article but we do live well below our means, and because of our housing choice (modest home in middle class neighborhood with good schools) and the friends we enjoy, I definitely tell white lies or lies of omission often. I.e.: most of my friends lease or have a car loan. We pay cash, but I'd never admit it. I could drive a loaded Suburban but drive a mid level Odyssey because I just prefer that image. My clothes and handbags are Loft/Target/TJ Maxx. I buy the kids LL Bean outwear instead of North Face or Patagonia just because it feels less conspicuous to me - it's not really much cheaper. That Tory Burch logo makes me cringe. I claim our travel is on "points" so it seems less expensive. Stuff like that. We don't give our kids crazy expensive presents or buy them Uggs, but when the time comes they can attend the college of their choice debt free.

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We must be living parallel lives. I can't stand outward displays of wealth, so no one would really know that we are wealthy.

Meh. You guys are usually the ones with Neverfull LV bags (the big ones, not the smaller ones) - so it seems more than slightly contradictory to what you are posting on an anon. forum. Just so you know.

I'm one of the PPs who said this sounds like me. I wouldn't be caught dead with one of those bags.

Ditto. The "meh" poster doesn't get it at all.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact is, it takes a lot of effort to spend money.

My husband and I have a lot. But we lead a modest lifestyle because that's what we're used to, and because the things that matter the most to us - seeing family and friends, exercising, reading - are more rewarding than figuring out ways to spend money. When we need new things, we buy them (on eBay, if possible) - but otherwise, we don't bother. Too much trouble.

Honey, you sound depressed. It's easy to spend money if you like to travel, eat in nice restaurants, go out to bars, see shows or concerts, etc. etc. It's not all about buying STUFF.

Anonymous wrote:The fact is, it takes a lot of effort to spend money.

My husband and I have a lot. But we lead a modest lifestyle because that's what we're used to, and because the things that matter the most to us - seeing family and friends, exercising, reading - are more rewarding than figuring out ways to spend money. When we need new things, we buy them (on eBay, if possible) - but otherwise, we don't bother. Too much trouble.

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Anonymous wrote:We are not as rich as the article but we do live well below our means, and because of our housing choice (modest home in middle class neighborhood with good schools) and the friends we enjoy, I definitely tell white lies or lies of omission often. I.e.: most of my friends lease or have a car loan. We pay cash, but I'd never admit it. I could drive a loaded Suburban but drive a mid level Odyssey because I just prefer that image. My clothes and handbags are Loft/Target/TJ Maxx. I buy the kids LL Bean outwear instead of North Face or Patagonia just because it feels less conspicuous to me - it's not really much cheaper. That Tory Burch logo makes me cringe. I claim our travel is on "points" so it seems less expensive. Stuff like that. We don't give our kids crazy expensive presents or buy them Uggs, but when the time comes they can attend the college of their choice debt free.

You sound like my twin.

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Anonymous wrote:The older generation knows how to be rich and act poor: my parents (in their 70s) are worth at least 15M+ and literally wear sneakers from Costco until they have holes in them. They drive cars until they are well over 15-18 years old. They cut coupons. They eat at Applebee's, if they eat out at all. They clean their own house, mow their own lawn, and basically refuse to pay for a single service or convenience.

They are also well-educated and when they were in their 40s and making 7 figures they were more flashy, but they grew up working class and in their old age they've found that's what makes them happy. They are also really paranoid about spending money and so they hoard.

THAT is hiding your wealth.

NO No... THAT is being cheap..

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Anonymous wrote:The older generation knows how to be rich and act poor: my parents (in their 70s) are worth at least 15M+ and literally wear sneakers from Costco until they have holes in them. They drive cars until they are well over 15-18 years old. They cut coupons. They eat at Applebee's, if they eat out at all. They clean their own house, mow their own lawn, and basically refuse to pay for a single service or convenience.

They are also well-educated and when they were in their 40s and making 7 figures they were more flashy, but they grew up working class and in their old age they've found that's what makes them happy. They are also really paranoid about spending money and so they hoard.

THAT is hiding your wealth.

+1 my grandfather just died leaving about 15M to his 3 children. My mom (widow) frets about making basic home repairs, like replacing a dead garbage disposal, because her dad would have just left it and loved without. We all thought grandpa was relatively poor growing up.

Anonymous wrote:The fact is, it takes a lot of effort to spend money.

My husband and I have a lot. But we lead a modest lifestyle because that's what we're used to, and because the things that matter the most to us - seeing family and friends, exercising, reading - are more rewarding than figuring out ways to spend money. When we need new things, we buy them (on eBay, if possible) - but otherwise, we don't bother. Too much trouble.

Anonymous wrote:The older generation knows how to be rich and act poor: my parents (in their 70s) are worth at least 15M+ and literally wear sneakers from Costco until they have holes in them. They drive cars until they are well over 15-18 years old. They cut coupons. They eat at Applebee's, if they eat out at all. They clean their own house, mow their own lawn, and basically refuse to pay for a single service or convenience.

They are also well-educated and when they were in their 40s and making 7 figures they were more flashy, but they grew up working class and in their old age they've found that's what makes them happy. They are also really paranoid about spending money and so they hoard.

THAT is hiding your wealth.

Anonymous wrote:Yes. I am from a little town in the Midwest. Being flashy isn't cool.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact is, it takes a lot of effort to spend money.

My husband and I have a lot. But we lead a modest lifestyle because that's what we're used to, and because the things that matter the most to us - seeing family and friends, exercising, reading - are more rewarding than figuring out ways to spend money. When we need new things, we buy them (on eBay, if possible) - but otherwise, we don't bother. Too much trouble.

Again, it just depends on your definition of a lot. If travel was ever "too much trouble" for me, or certain hobbies that I have got ruled out because they are expensive I'd rather just be poor.

Says a person who has never been poor.

No, I'm just someone who likes to live authentically. I really enjoy the things they money helps me to do, and to deny myself of things that I desire and can afford because I'm worried about being judged by others would be frustrating and ....dumb. I think it's great if it makes others happy, but to pretend like that's aspirational - in this big old world with SO MUCH to see and do is odd to me. I'm not wasting my time worrying about hiding anything about myself to please others.

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Anonymous wrote:The older generation knows how to be rich and act poor: my parents (in their 70s) are worth at least 15M+ and literally wear sneakers from Costco until they have holes in them. They drive cars until they are well over 15-18 years old. They cut coupons. They eat at Applebee's, if they eat out at all. They clean their own house, mow their own lawn, and basically refuse to pay for a single service or convenience.

They are also well-educated and when they were in their 40s and making 7 figures they were more flashy, but they grew up working class and in their old age they've found that's what makes them happy. They are also really paranoid about spending money and so they hoard.

THAT is hiding your wealth.

NO No... THAT is being cheap..

Agree. I am cheap. I was always cheap and I will continue being cheap.

Do you truly know rich friends driving cars made in 1999? That's astonishing to me.