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Anonymous wrote:I am an immigrant and I remember being shocked at what kind of people in the waiting room at the uS embassy were getttong green cards. Like the most backward looking. Meanwhile i was rejected for a tourist visa though I had no intention whatsoever of staying.

I happened to win a green card lottery so eventually I came in. But I never would have otherwise.

As a liberal, when you bring this up - the Latino groups hammer you.

They are fully against Australian/Canadian type systems.

We should be bringing in more Japanese, Koreans, Jews, high IQ northwest Europeans.

Not the dregs

You realize that there is far more variation in iQ within races than between them.

Wait of course you don't, which proves the point.

I am the immigrant above and this all happened within the same race. Basically poor probably illiterate villagers were getting green cards while educated people knew they had no chance. I was only looking for a tourist visa and still didn't get it. American embassies are so arrogant and stupid.

If you were intelligent, you would understand why we should not choose people based on countries you think are high iQ.

i am profoundly gifted thx. i didn't say the people should be chosen based on country of origin. and that's not in the bill either, as i understand it.

i am merely providing my perspective from the other side. every smart, educated person who wanted to immigrate (which i didn't) went to canada embassy. those who were rejected there went to australia and NZ. nobody even tried to get a green card for the US because that was impossible if you had no family connections (no matter how remote) in the US. some smart people still managed to stay in the US mostly by going to phd programs and then getting jobs/getting employer sponsorship. but basically there was no route to legally immigrate.

I think this brings up a really good point: why are we allowing immigration via family connections? It's pretty absurd to let a person and his entire family immigrate simply because they already have one sibling in the United States who sponsors them. It's a completely illogical way of running an immigration system.

I'm on board with moving to a point system for individuals with good educations, technical skills, or badly needed language abilities. I'm also totally open to allowing more refugees or those facing persecution (religious, gender, LBGT, etc).

But the family-based system is nuts. No way in hell is one brother already in the US able to support all his siblings, their kids, and parents.

Immigration is out of control. It is way out of whack from modern historical levels. We have long past the early 1900's with unlimited resources. Immigrants take jobs from existing US citizens. Immigration growth directly correlates with the drop in wages in real terms over the last 20 years.

Then why are the massive labor shortages in so many industries right now? Immigrants are not taking your job, thanks to them the economy is bigger and there are more jobs for everyone. That's how economies work.

there are NO Massive labor shortages, if there were, wages would spike up. that is not happening.

I hired home health care aides and I had hundreds of nurses available for 10$ an hour to do 12 hour shifts.

I hire java developers and I get hundreds of resumes.

There is plenty of entry level college graduates working part time jobs.

You are wrong and probably a spokesmen for one of the large corporations spouting this nonsense.

The facts prove otherwise. Your anecdotal experience is not convincing. Virtually every economist will tell you, expanding immigration = expanding economic growth. Trump's immigration plan is a job killer and will go nowhere.

https://www.marketplace.org/2017/08/03/business/unemployment-low-labor-shortages-spread

http://www.nrn.com/workforce/higher-wages-arent-just-hurting-labor-costs

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/business/7231949-181/north-coast-growers-head-into?artslide=0

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/02/texas-home-builders-relying-on-immigrant-labor-feel-effects-immigrant-crackdown.html

http://kxan.com/2017/07/21/austin-experiencing-labor-shortage-amid-booming-housing-market/

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/30/can-a-pay-raise-fix-ags-labor-crisis-yes-and-no/




https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2017/0310/Help-wanted-Workers-finally-benefit-as-labor-shortage-expands

do you even read what you post?

All this is great news for workers, because the shortage is forcing increasingly desperate employers to boost pay and benefits to attract and hold onto recruits in several fast-growing industries. Average wages are starting to grow at rates not seen since 2000, the last time the US confronted a severe worker shortage.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an immigrant and I remember being shocked at what kind of people in the waiting room at the uS embassy were getttong green cards. Like the most backward looking. Meanwhile i was rejected for a tourist visa though I had no intention whatsoever of staying.

I happened to win a green card lottery so eventually I came in. But I never would have otherwise.

As a liberal, when you bring this up - the Latino groups hammer you.

They are fully against Australian/Canadian type systems.

We should be bringing in more Japanese, Koreans, Jews, high IQ northwest Europeans.

Not the dregs

You realize that there is far more variation in iQ within races than between them.

Wait of course you don't, which proves the point.

I am the immigrant above and this all happened within the same race. Basically poor probably illiterate villagers were getting green cards while educated people knew they had no chance. I was only looking for a tourist visa and still didn't get it. American embassies are so arrogant and stupid.

If you were intelligent, you would understand why we should not choose people based on countries you think are high iQ.

i am profoundly gifted thx. i didn't say the people should be chosen based on country of origin. and that's not in the bill either, as i understand it.

i am merely providing my perspective from the other side. every smart, educated person who wanted to immigrate (which i didn't) went to canada embassy. those who were rejected there went to australia and NZ. nobody even tried to get a green card for the US because that was impossible if you had no family connections (no matter how remote) in the US. some smart people still managed to stay in the US mostly by going to phd programs and then getting jobs/getting employer sponsorship. but basically there was no route to legally immigrate.

I think this brings up a really good point: why are we allowing immigration via family connections? It's pretty absurd to let a person and his entire family immigrate simply because they already have one sibling in the United States who sponsors them. It's a completely illogical way of running an immigration system.

I'm on board with moving to a point system for individuals with good educations, technical skills, or badly needed language abilities. I'm also totally open to allowing more refugees or those facing persecution (religious, gender, LBGT, etc).

But the family-based system is nuts. No way in hell is one brother already in the US able to support all his siblings, their kids, and parents.

Immigration is out of control. It is way out of whack from modern historical levels. We have long past the early 1900's with unlimited resources. Immigrants take jobs from existing US citizens. Immigration growth directly correlates with the drop in wages in real terms over the last 20 years.

Then why are the massive labor shortages in so many industries right now? Immigrants are not taking your job, thanks to them the economy is bigger and there are more jobs for everyone. That's how economies work.

there are NO Massive labor shortages, if there were, wages would spike up. that is not happening.

I hired home health care aides and I had hundreds of nurses available for 10$ an hour to do 12 hour shifts.

I hire java developers and I get hundreds of resumes.

There is plenty of entry level college graduates working part time jobs.

You are wrong and probably a spokesmen for one of the large corporations spouting this nonsense.

The facts prove otherwise. Your anecdotal experience is not convincing. Virtually every economist will tell you, expanding immigration = expanding economic growth. Trump's immigration plan is a job killer and will go nowhere.

https://www.marketplace.org/2017/08/03/business/unemployment-low-labor-shortages-spread

http://www.nrn.com/workforce/higher-wages-arent-just-hurting-labor-costs

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/business/7231949-181/north-coast-growers-head-into?artslide=0

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/02/texas-home-builders-relying-on-immigrant-labor-feel-effects-immigrant-crackdown.html

http://kxan.com/2017/07/21/austin-experiencing-labor-shortage-amid-booming-housing-market/

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/30/can-a-pay-raise-fix-ags-labor-crisis-yes-and-no/




https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2017/0310/Help-wanted-Workers-finally-benefit-as-labor-shortage-expands

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Anonymous wrote:Senators Cotton and Perdue stood with the President to announce an immigration reform effort. They said the current immigration system doesn't let U.S. be competitive. Trump followed in the presser by bragging about stock market highs.

These people are morons.

Hi All,

I have been looking for a new job on H1, apart from some very small scale companies, i am not getting any calls. If i do, they dont sponsor H1Bs

It seems H1B job market is finished .Nobody is taking the risks with H1s anymore. Are you guys facing the same problem ?

http://www.trackitt.com/usa-discussion-forums/h1b/1772980373/h1b-jobs-are-done-and-dusted

Hello friends, am i the only 1 feeling the pinch or every1...fulltime jobs across US are not taking any h1bs...dont know how much time it will be this scenario...but right now no fulltime is doing visa sponsorship
any thoughts...?

http://www.trackitt.com/usa-discussion-forums/h1b/1773801363/fulltime-jobs

Anonymous wrote:Senators Cotton and Perdue stood with the President to announce an immigration reform effort. They said the current immigration system doesn't let U.S. be competitive. Trump followed in the presser by bragging about stock market highs.

These people are morons.

Hi All,

I have been looking for a new job on H1, apart from some very small scale companies, i am not getting any calls. If i do, they dont sponsor H1Bs

It seems H1B job market is finished .Nobody is taking the risks with H1s anymore. Are you guys facing the same problem ?

http://www.trackitt.com/usa-discussion-forums/h1b/1772980373/h1b-jobs-are-done-and-dusted

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Anonymous wrote:I am an immigrant and I remember being shocked at what kind of people in the waiting room at the uS embassy were getttong green cards. Like the most backward looking. Meanwhile i was rejected for a tourist visa though I had no intention whatsoever of staying.

I happened to win a green card lottery so eventually I came in. But I never would have otherwise.

As a liberal, when you bring this up - the Latino groups hammer you.

They are fully against Australian/Canadian type systems.

We should be bringing in more Japanese, Koreans, Jews, high IQ northwest Europeans.

Not the dregs

You realize that there is far more variation in iQ within races than between them.

Wait of course you don't, which proves the point.

I am the immigrant above and this all happened within the same race. Basically poor probably illiterate villagers were getting green cards while educated people knew they had no chance. I was only looking for a tourist visa and still didn't get it. American embassies are so arrogant and stupid.

If you were intelligent, you would understand why we should not choose people based on countries you think are high iQ.

i am profoundly gifted thx. i didn't say the people should be chosen based on country of origin. and that's not in the bill either, as i understand it.

i am merely providing my perspective from the other side. every smart, educated person who wanted to immigrate (which i didn't) went to canada embassy. those who were rejected there went to australia and NZ. nobody even tried to get a green card for the US because that was impossible if you had no family connections (no matter how remote) in the US. some smart people still managed to stay in the US mostly by going to phd programs and then getting jobs/getting employer sponsorship. but basically there was no route to legally immigrate.

I think this brings up a really good point: why are we allowing immigration via family connections? It's pretty absurd to let a person and his entire family immigrate simply because they already have one sibling in the United States who sponsors them. It's a completely illogical way of running an immigration system.

I'm on board with moving to a point system for individuals with good educations, technical skills, or badly needed language abilities. I'm also totally open to allowing more refugees or those facing persecution (religious, gender, LBGT, etc).

But the family-based system is nuts. No way in hell is one brother already in the US able to support all his siblings, their kids, and parents.

Immigration is out of control. It is way out of whack from modern historical levels. We have long past the early 1900's with unlimited resources. Immigrants take jobs from existing US citizens. Immigration growth directly correlates with the drop in wages in real terms over the last 20 years.

Then why are the massive labor shortages in so many industries right now? Immigrants are not taking your job, thanks to them the economy is bigger and there are more jobs for everyone. That's how economies work.

Because as that chart shows, after the depression, the US was fine with European Immigration. We only did away with immigration quotas in 1965.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an immigrant and I remember being shocked at what kind of people in the waiting room at the uS embassy were getttong green cards. Like the most backward looking. Meanwhile i was rejected for a tourist visa though I had no intention whatsoever of staying.

I happened to win a green card lottery so eventually I came in. But I never would have otherwise.

As a liberal, when you bring this up - the Latino groups hammer you.

They are fully against Australian/Canadian type systems.

We should be bringing in more Japanese, Koreans, Jews, high IQ northwest Europeans.

Not the dregs

You realize that there is far more variation in iQ within races than between them.

Wait of course you don't, which proves the point.

I am the immigrant above and this all happened within the same race. Basically poor probably illiterate villagers were getting green cards while educated people knew they had no chance. I was only looking for a tourist visa and still didn't get it. American embassies are so arrogant and stupid.

If you were intelligent, you would understand why we should not choose people based on countries you think are high iQ.

i am profoundly gifted thx. i didn't say the people should be chosen based on country of origin. and that's not in the bill either, as i understand it.

i am merely providing my perspective from the other side. every smart, educated person who wanted to immigrate (which i didn't) went to canada embassy. those who were rejected there went to australia and NZ. nobody even tried to get a green card for the US because that was impossible if you had no family connections (no matter how remote) in the US. some smart people still managed to stay in the US mostly by going to phd programs and then getting jobs/getting employer sponsorship. but basically there was no route to legally immigrate.

I think this brings up a really good point: why are we allowing immigration via family connections? It's pretty absurd to let a person and his entire family immigrate simply because they already have one sibling in the United States who sponsors them. It's a completely illogical way of running an immigration system.

I'm on board with moving to a point system for individuals with good educations, technical skills, or badly needed language abilities. I'm also totally open to allowing more refugees or those facing persecution (religious, gender, LBGT, etc).

But the family-based system is nuts. No way in hell is one brother already in the US able to support all his siblings, their kids, and parents.

Immigration is out of control. It is way out of whack from modern historical levels. We have long past the early 1900's with unlimited resources. Immigrants take jobs from existing US citizens. Immigration growth directly correlates with the drop in wages in real terms over the last 20 years.

Then why are the massive labor shortages in so many industries right now? Immigrants are not taking your job, thanks to them the economy is bigger and there are more jobs for everyone. That's how economies work.

there are NO Massive labor shortages, if there were, wages would spike up. that is not happening.

I hired home health care aides and I had hundreds of nurses available for 10$ an hour to do 12 hour shifts.

I hire java developers and I get hundreds of resumes.

There is plenty of entry level college graduates working part time jobs.

You are wrong and probably a spokesmen for one of the large corporations spouting this nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an immigrant and I remember being shocked at what kind of people in the waiting room at the uS embassy were getttong green cards. Like the most backward looking. Meanwhile i was rejected for a tourist visa though I had no intention whatsoever of staying.

I happened to win a green card lottery so eventually I came in. But I never would have otherwise.

As a liberal, when you bring this up - the Latino groups hammer you.

They are fully against Australian/Canadian type systems.

We should be bringing in more Japanese, Koreans, Jews, high IQ northwest Europeans.

Not the dregs

You realize that there is far more variation in iQ within races than between them.

Wait of course you don't, which proves the point.

I am the immigrant above and this all happened within the same race. Basically poor probably illiterate villagers were getting green cards while educated people knew they had no chance. I was only looking for a tourist visa and still didn't get it. American embassies are so arrogant and stupid.

If you were intelligent, you would understand why we should not choose people based on countries you think are high iQ.

i am profoundly gifted thx. i didn't say the people should be chosen based on country of origin. and that's not in the bill either, as i understand it.

i am merely providing my perspective from the other side. every smart, educated person who wanted to immigrate (which i didn't) went to canada embassy. those who were rejected there went to australia and NZ. nobody even tried to get a green card for the US because that was impossible if you had no family connections (no matter how remote) in the US. some smart people still managed to stay in the US mostly by going to phd programs and then getting jobs/getting employer sponsorship. but basically there was no route to legally immigrate.

I think this brings up a really good point: why are we allowing immigration via family connections? It's pretty absurd to let a person and his entire family immigrate simply because they already have one sibling in the United States who sponsors them. It's a completely illogical way of running an immigration system.

I'm on board with moving to a point system for individuals with good educations, technical skills, or badly needed language abilities. I'm also totally open to allowing more refugees or those facing persecution (religious, gender, LBGT, etc).

But the family-based system is nuts. No way in hell is one brother already in the US able to support all his siblings, their kids, and parents.

Immigration is out of control. It is way out of whack from modern historical levels. We have long past the early 1900's with unlimited resources. Immigrants take jobs from existing US citizens. Immigration growth directly correlates with the drop in wages in real terms over the last 20 years.

Then why are the massive labor shortages in so many industries right now? Immigrants are not taking your job, thanks to them the economy is bigger and there are more jobs for everyone. That's how economies work.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an immigrant and I remember being shocked at what kind of people in the waiting room at the uS embassy were getttong green cards. Like the most backward looking. Meanwhile i was rejected for a tourist visa though I had no intention whatsoever of staying.

I happened to win a green card lottery so eventually I came in. But I never would have otherwise.

As a liberal, when you bring this up - the Latino groups hammer you.

They are fully against Australian/Canadian type systems.

We should be bringing in more Japanese, Koreans, Jews, high IQ northwest Europeans.

Not the dregs

You realize that there is far more variation in iQ within races than between them.

Wait of course you don't, which proves the point.

I am the immigrant above and this all happened within the same race. Basically poor probably illiterate villagers were getting green cards while educated people knew they had no chance. I was only looking for a tourist visa and still didn't get it. American embassies are so arrogant and stupid.

If you were intelligent, you would understand why we should not choose people based on countries you think are high iQ.

i am profoundly gifted thx. i didn't say the people should be chosen based on country of origin. and that's not in the bill either, as i understand it.

i am merely providing my perspective from the other side. every smart, educated person who wanted to immigrate (which i didn't) went to canada embassy. those who were rejected there went to australia and NZ. nobody even tried to get a green card for the US because that was impossible if you had no family connections (no matter how remote) in the US. some smart people still managed to stay in the US mostly by going to phd programs and then getting jobs/getting employer sponsorship. but basically there was no route to legally immigrate.

I think this brings up a really good point: why are we allowing immigration via family connections? It's pretty absurd to let a person and his entire family immigrate simply because they already have one sibling in the United States who sponsors them. It's a completely illogical way of running an immigration system.

I'm on board with moving to a point system for individuals with good educations, technical skills, or badly needed language abilities. I'm also totally open to allowing more refugees or those facing persecution (religious, gender, LBGT, etc).

But the family-based system is nuts. No way in hell is one brother already in the US able to support all his siblings, their kids, and parents.

Immigration is out of control. It is way out of whack from modern historical levels. We have long past the early 1900's with unlimited resources. Immigrants take jobs from existing US citizens. Immigration growth directly correlates with the drop in wages in real terms over the last 20 years.

Anonymous wrote:I am a skilled legal soon to be immigrant (knock on wood) and I support this bill.
Of course my evidence is anecdotal, but most of the GC lottery winners I meet are useless to this country at best. And I live in an area where a lot of them flock to, for various reasons.
Don't even get me started on kids of low skilled migrants (legal and not) in public schools. Even when there are no behavior problems, there are problems with the speed of knowledge acquisition, high need for extra services, extra money for things like lunches and tutoring, and low parental involvement in school.
As for Spanish as a de facto second language in the United States: it is now very difficult to find a job in any type of customer service if you don't speak good Spanish. Drives me nuts!
But of course, there is a powerful lobby behind uneducated non English speaking migrants, so the bill probably won't pass. Maybe the next president is smarter and starts introducing those things in the bill one by one.

Yes! That is the way it works! They get slaves like my husband under the pretext that life in USA will be "great" and we like idiots pick up and go to USA only to work 60-plus hours a week and the MOMENT my husband gets his green card it is "adios bacha" and he is out on the street!

And guess what? Once you have a green card you are considered like an American (for employment purposes, all other discriminations still hold) and you CAN'T find work if you are over 42. After nearly going bankrupt he got a job at 60% of his former pay and no company pension and OH THE FUN IT WAS for him to work same same hours and often weekends!

Yes deekras (dears), we were on that merry-go-round until we were smart enough to get off (move to Singapore).

People who think that foreigners, such as Indians, have it easy in USA are sadly mistaken. A few do well and are heralded as "the model minority" because all Asians are "the model minority" don't you know. But that is all gupsup rubbish.

USA is a country circling the drain and the country is headed for ruin. Getting foreigners on those work visas is akin to legalized slavery. I advise all my fellow Indians and others to skip USA unless you are really living a slum life.

I mean nkt directly introducing but will make political climate favorable to curtailing low quality immigration.

I am a skilled legal soon to be immigrant (knock on wood) and I support this bill.
Of course my evidence is anecdotal, but most of the GC lottery winners I meet are useless to this country at best. And I live in an area where a lot of them flock to, for various reasons.
Don't even get me started on kids of low skilled migrants (legal and not) in public schools. Even when there are no behavior problems, there are problems with the speed of knowledge acquisition, high need for extra services, extra money for things like lunches and tutoring, and low parental involvement in school.
As for Spanish as a de facto second language in the United States: it is now very difficult to find a job in any type of customer service if you don't speak good Spanish. Drives me nuts!
But of course, there is a powerful lobby behind uneducated non English speaking migrants, so the bill probably won't pass. Maybe the next president is smarter and starts introducing those things in the bill one by one.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is great. Shifts the competition from blue collar workers to white collar workers. Time for them to suffer like everyone else!

I'm for it also, but not because it's time for white collar workers "to suffer." (What's your problem?) I'm for it because we have room in this country for educated, self-supporting individuals. That is whom we should be admitting.

Translation- white collar workers were less likely to get on board with Trump than blue collar, so who cares if their are more immigrants to compete for THEIR jobs.

The irony is, blue collar workers aren't that interested in picking fruit, mowing lawns, mopping floors, or wiping asses. They'd prefer the jobs they used to have, that provided benefits and living wage. Severely curtailing immigration is not going to bring those jobs back.

What we need are regulations and tax policy that encourage firms to plow profits back into their businesses (via expansion--hiring more workers--or increased pay/benefits for rank & file employees) rather than funneling them directly to shareholders.

do you think immigrats are interested in wiping asses? or are they just desperate?

pay more and you can have Harvard PhDs wipe your ass.

I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.

oh, it works exactly like that.

Boulder is better than London or Fricso and didn't need to turn into Mumbai

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Boulder should be the model for the whole country

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is great. Shifts the competition from blue collar workers to white collar workers. Time for them to suffer like everyone else!

I'm for it also, but not because it's time for white collar workers "to suffer." (What's your problem?) I'm for it because we have room in this country for educated, self-supporting individuals. That is whom we should be admitting.

Translation- white collar workers were less likely to get on board with Trump than blue collar, so who cares if their are more immigrants to compete for THEIR jobs.

The irony is, blue collar workers aren't that interested in picking fruit, mowing lawns, mopping floors, or wiping asses. They'd prefer the jobs they used to have, that provided benefits and living wage. Severely curtailing immigration is not going to bring those jobs back.

What we need are regulations and tax policy that encourage firms to plow profits back into their businesses (via expansion--hiring more workers--or increased pay/benefits for rank & file employees) rather than funneling them directly to shareholders.

do you think immigrats are interested in wiping asses? or are they just desperate?

pay more and you can have Harvard PhDs wipe your ass.

I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.