Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 16:24     Subject: Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
If there was ever a question about whether Trump's tweets are official statements from the White House, this particular communication should put it to rest.

Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 16:19     Subject: Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Anonymous wrote:Via Twitter naturally.

I cannot believe he went there right now when he is so beleaguered by problems of his own making already.



https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890193981585444864

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890196164313833472


DISTRAXT, DISTRACT. And Dems and media have fallen for this hook, line & sinker
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 16:08     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Out if curiosity, how does China handle this issue? They've got a pretty big military one would not mess with.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:55     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What about completing the surgery and hormone rounds first, then joining the service. Take the "trans" out of it. Declare the new gender.


Umm ... you never complete the hormones. It's lifetime maintenance.


So, there isn't one member if the armed forces who currently take a pill or pills for something on a daily basis? No generals taking Lipitor?

Whee does the military stand, say, if a man who survived testicular cancer wants to join? Or a woman who developed breast cancer at 22 and list both breasts?


Whoa -- I was actually pointing that out in favor of the trans troops. My point is that this idea that you could have a pure post-op DADT policy is impossible. Trans troops will be "out," at least to their doctors, unless they choose to serve as the gender assigned at birth and never act as their true gender.


I understand what you're saying. I'm just pointing out that both they and the government could simply approach the situation the way we would handle other health issues. Then the transgender individual, just like everyone else, needs to weigh the risks and benefits of his or her chosen line of work and consider the nature of their situation. If you want to join, complete your reassignment and take your pills and serve. But if your pills are getting in the way of serving- if you're not comfortable taking meds in front of others or the pills make you sick, this the military isn't for you. And I'd say the same regarding any health issue from flatulence to lymphoma.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:40     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Trump made this decision because he was obviously traumatized during his long and distinguished military career. Oh wait...
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:39     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
This is crazy! You all act like Trump is some outer world thinker and all knowing expert on everything. This is just another example of his impulsiveness and his propensity to be led astray by Bannon, Miller et al. He has an experienced team of military leaders - experts. He has a very competent SOD. None of them were consulted. That would be a red flag in normal times. But some of you all are enamored of him, that whatever he does is sugar and soda pop.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:35     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What about completing the surgery and hormone rounds first, then joining the service. Take the "trans" out of it. Declare the new gender.


Umm ... you never complete the hormones. It's lifetime maintenance.


So, there isn't one member if the armed forces who currently take a pill or pills for something on a daily basis? No generals taking Lipitor?

Whee does the military stand, say, if a man who survived testicular cancer wants to join? Or a woman who developed breast cancer at 22 and list both breasts?

Plenty in the military take daily meds, yes. PP is uninformed.


I heard on the news today that the cost of health care for transgendered service members is about 1/5 of what the military spends on Viagra.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:29     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What about completing the surgery and hormone rounds first, then joining the service. Take the "trans" out of it. Declare the new gender.


Umm ... you never complete the hormones. It's lifetime maintenance.


So, there isn't one member if the armed forces who currently take a pill or pills for something on a daily basis? No generals taking Lipitor?

Whee does the military stand, say, if a man who survived testicular cancer wants to join? Or a woman who developed breast cancer at 22 and list both breasts?


Whoa -- I was actually pointing that out in favor of the trans troops. My point is that this idea that you could have a pure post-op DADT policy is impossible. Trans troops will be "out," at least to their doctors, unless they choose to serve as the gender assigned at birth and never act as their true gender.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:23     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
jsteele wrote:Sarah Huckabee Sanders is making a shambles of the press briefing today. She doesn't know what will happen to current transgender members of the military and has said the White House and DoD will now figure how to implement the ban (of course this should have been done first). She even threatened to stop the briefing if anymore questions about the transgender ban were asked.

The clown show is in full swing.

A frightening first.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:23     Subject: Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump tweet, June 14 2016:

Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.


Most people, including gay people, do not lump transgender in with gay issues.

Do you know what the "T" stands for in LGBT?
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:23     Subject: Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:LOL, this was done to settle an internal dispute amongst House republicans as it related to funding for the effing wall.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-ban-behind-the-scenes-240990

House Republicans were planning to pass a spending bill stacked with his campaign promises, including money to build his border wall with Mexico.

But an internal House Republican fight over transgender troops was threatening to blow up the bill. And House GOP insiders feared they might not have the votes to pass the legislation because defense hawks wanted a ban on Pentagon-funded sex reassignment operations — something GOP leaders wouldn’t give them.

They turned to Trump, who didn’t hesitate. In the flash of a tweet, he announced that transgender troops would be banned altogether.

Trump’s sudden decision was, in part, a last-ditch attempt to save a House proposal full of his campaign promises that was on the verge of defeat, numerous congressional and White House sources said.


Everybody arguing that the ban is being implemented for enhancing the military's combat effectiveness can shut up now.

It's all for the wall.


Nice to know that they're throwing people's lives and careers into turmoil because of Trump's wall. And that craven Republicans will use their puppet Trump to get rid of transgender service people, just like that.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:21     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What about completing the surgery and hormone rounds first, then joining the service. Take the "trans" out of it. Declare the new gender.


Umm ... you never complete the hormones. It's lifetime maintenance.


So, there isn't one member if the armed forces who currently take a pill or pills for something on a daily basis? No generals taking Lipitor?

Whee does the military stand, say, if a man who survived testicular cancer wants to join? Or a woman who developed breast cancer at 22 and list both breasts?

Plenty in the military take daily meds, yes. PP is uninformed.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:21     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Mom of three military kids here. All three support the rights of LGBTQ service members. A person with asthma probably has no business being in the military. Breathing is important. Being able to pass a PT test is required. I can't imagine how a penis or lack of a penis would affect physical conditioning or combat readiness. Your active duty son should understand that.


Transgenders come in all sorts of choices. Some have surgery. Some don't. Some are just coming "out"--some have been open for years. There are even issues with some people over hormones. It is a very complicated issue. Counseling is usually involved, etc. There are all sorts of things to be worked out here. And, if someone is having surgery, and you don't understand that this could have an impact on physical conditioning or combat readiness, you need to learn a little more.
Do they pass the male test or the female test? Are they transgender only if they have surgery or not? As for combat readiness, I suggest you read the twitter thread that was posted earlier. The one from the guy who had been on a firebase in Iraq.


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Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:21     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Anonymous wrote:What about completing the surgery and hormone rounds first, then joining the service. Take the "trans" out of it. Declare the new gender.

They often do that - for people who want to join and are poised or interested in pursuing surgery, they are made to wait a certain amount of time before joining up.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2017 15:20     Subject: Re:Trump announces policy banning transgender military service
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What about completing the surgery and hormone rounds first, then joining the service. Take the "trans" out of it. Declare the new gender.


Umm ... you never complete the hormones. It's lifetime maintenance.


So, there isn't one member if the armed forces who currently take a pill or pills for something on a daily basis? No generals taking Lipitor?

Whee does the military stand, say, if a man who survived testicular cancer wants to join? Or a woman who developed breast cancer at 22 and list both breasts?