Anonymous
11/22/2016 17:31
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.
PP here. I'm not sure where to start. Of course no one is getting everything they want - it shouldn't be that way and that's not how the world works. And perhaps I missed it but I don't recall anyone calling opposing views stupid or unreasonable. If you could keep name calling out of it, that would be great. All I'm saying is that if the BOE is taking a philosophical stand that proximity matters, then they should stick by that philosophy and make proximity matter. Not have it matter in situation A but not situation B - which is where things are now. Proximity is good for middle school but not elementary. For elementary diversity matters but does not in middle school. Their logic is inconsistent - that's all I'm saying.
The board weighed many things unique to this sitatuon. Again you as make my the unsubstantiated leap from one boundary study result. To a whole policy on how boundaries are handled
It is an easy common sense leap to make. What is good for MS#2 and RCF is good for RHPS. The same standard should apply to all. How is that a leap at all?
It's a leap because the every boundary study is unique. There is no one size fits all approach to handle every community. The Triad is a different community than the BCC cluster as a whole.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 17:26
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.
PP here. I'm not sure where to start. Of course no one is getting everything they want - it shouldn't be that way and that's not how the world works. And perhaps I missed it but I don't recall anyone calling opposing views stupid or unreasonable. If you could keep name calling out of it, that would be great. All I'm saying is that if the BOE is taking a philosophical stand that proximity matters, then they should stick by that philosophy and make proximity matter. Not have it matter in situation A but not situation B - which is where things are now. Proximity is good for middle school but not elementary. For elementary diversity matters but does not in middle school. Their logic is inconsistent - that's all I'm saying.
The board weighed many things unique to this sitatuon. Again you as make my the unsubstantiated leap from one boundary study result. To a whole policy on how boundaries are handled
It is an easy common sense leap to make. What is good for MS#2 and RCF is good for RHPS. The same standard should apply to all. How is that a leap at all?
Anonymous
11/22/2016 17:25
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.
I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.
You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.
Give it a break. RCF compromised nothing. They willingly threw their immersion kids under the bus to get what they as a neighborhood wanted. The irony is the immersion kids who tend to be more well off financially are now going to get a much better education at an under capacity school with no economic diversity, it will be like a private education. The immersion families should be elated! It worked out to their advantage.
Meanwhile CCES and NCC dug their heels in to protect the lower income Rosemary Hills neighborhood from being sectioned off and sent away to add token diversity to Westland as was the design on some of the options. If we had not inssisted on no split articulation of RHPS that is what was going to happen.
We protected families who needed it and you didn't. That's the truth.
Your post makes little sense. The options were either all of RCF go to Westland or just immersion goes to Westland. The regular RCF was powerless in this scenario to decide their own fate let alone the immersion programs fate. It's the immersion program that backed up the desires of the regular program to go to BCCMS2 in spite of not getting to go there themselves I.e. Option #6.
I agree the Triad did protect RHPS and RCF supported that position. But it was easy for the board to see the Triads bad faith when they didn't reciprocate and offered to send RCF to Westland.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 17:25
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.
I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.
You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.
Give it a break. RCF compromised nothing. They willingly threw their immersion kids under the bus to get what they as a neighborhood wanted. The irony is the immersion kids who tend to be more well off financially are now going to get a much better education at an under capacity school with no economic diversity, it will be like a private education. The immersion families should be elated! It worked out to their advantage.
Meanwhile CCES and NCC dug their heels in to protect the lower income Rosemary Hills neighborhood from being sectioned off and sent away to add token diversity to Westland as was the design on some of the options. If we had not inssisted on no split articulation of RHPS that is what was going to happen.
We protected families who needed it and you didn't. That's the truth.
So if you are so concerned about the low income community in that area, why do you think the RCF folks just across the road should be bussed to Westland? It's very simple,RCF at first advocated for a choice that would keep their neighborhood at the closer school (at the wish of the lower income families based on a survey) and to keep the English academy and immersion programs together. That option came off the table, clearly, so they had to weigh what was more important, keeeping the school together or doing exactly what you are saying is most important - protecting the lower income neighborhood families from being bussed to the school farther away. I think the right choice was made. RCF is not the villain here.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 17:04
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.
PP here. I'm not sure where to start. Of course no one is getting everything they want - it shouldn't be that way and that's not how the world works. And perhaps I missed it but I don't recall anyone calling opposing views stupid or unreasonable. If you could keep name calling out of it, that would be great. All I'm saying is that if the BOE is taking a philosophical stand that proximity matters, then they should stick by that philosophy and make proximity matter. Not have it matter in situation A but not situation B - which is where things are now. Proximity is good for middle school but not elementary. For elementary diversity matters but does not in middle school. Their logic is inconsistent - that's all I'm saying.
The board weighed many things unique to this sitatuon. Again you as make my the unsubstantiated leap from one boundary study result. To a whole policy on how boundaries are handled
Anonymous
11/22/2016 17:02
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.
I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.
You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.
Give it a break. RCF compromised nothing. They willingly threw their immersion kids under the bus to get what they as a neighborhood wanted. The irony is the immersion kids who tend to be more well off financially are now going to get a much better education at an under capacity school with no economic diversity, it will be like a private education. The immersion families should be elated! It worked out to their advantage.
Meanwhile CCES and NCC dug their heels in to protect the lower income Rosemary Hills neighborhood from being sectioned off and sent away to add token diversity to Westland as was the design on some of the options. If we had not inssisted on no split articulation of RHPS that is what was going to happen.
We protected families who needed it and you didn't. That's the truth.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 16:53
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:
You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.
PP here. I'm not sure where to start. Of course no one is getting everything they want - it shouldn't be that way and that's not how the world works. And perhaps I missed it but I don't recall anyone calling opposing views stupid or unreasonable. If you could keep name calling out of it, that would be great. All I'm saying is that if the BOE is taking a philosophical stand that proximity matters, then they should stick by that philosophy and make proximity matter. Not have it matter in situation A but not situation B - which is where things are now. Proximity is good for middle school but not elementary. For elementary diversity matters but does not in middle school. Their logic is inconsistent - that's all I'm saying.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 16:11
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.
I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.
You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 16:04
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.
I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.
Your kids have been in primary school for decades?
Dense? I actually care about ALL of the kids in our community, the ones that were bused 4 decades ago, the ones bused now and the ones bused in te future all in the name of a failed experiment. Break up RHPS and redraw the boundary lines to make sense. Neighborhood schools for all, quit singling our community out unfairly.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 15:43
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.
I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.
Your kids have been in primary school for decades?
Anonymous
11/22/2016 15:21
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.
I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.
I see your point, but the consistency in logic didn't hold up with any of the options presented -- with the exception of options 9 and 11. One way bussing affecting one minority/lower income community (option 1) is not consistent. There was not one option that allowed every community to get exactly what they wanted.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 15:11
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:
I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.
I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 14:53
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
If equity in diversity doesn't matter and then we at RHPS have had neighborhood schools taken away from our youngest children for decades for nothing. We believed in our purpose, to be told it doesn't matter is insulting. We have every right to be angry. Time to end RHPS busing. Let our kindergartners walk to school like everyone else.
+1,000,000
I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 13:49
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Time to split RHPS CCES NCC. Enough of bussing our little kids if equity doesn't matter. My kids are going private but I will help with the charge to get this done. The Chevy Chase community has been screwed a second time. Bye bye housing values. Thanks RCF! You also screwed yourselves, your values will go down too. The board just set precedent. Proximity is what matters. Time for the RHPS bussing experiment to die, even if it means taking MCPS to court. Yes, I am bitter.
wow-- this poster sounds ridiculous. all your kids (our kids) will be fine. A few extra people of color around and parents start going crazy. calm down. you list. don't get ridiculous about housing prices, etc....
My RHPS friends of color are angry too. Don't make this about race, it's not. It is about equity and creating two disparate schools where one school has many more advantages over the other. All the while the BOE show themselves to be the hypocrits they are.
If equity in diversity doesn't matter and then we at RHPS have had neighborhood schools taken away from our youngest children for decades for nothing. We believed in our purpose, to be told it doesn't matter is insulting. We have every right to be angry. Time to end RHPS busing. Let our kindergartners walk to school like everyone else.
Don't kid yourself. Everything MCPS and the BOE does is about race. Every change they make is about race whether it's boundaries, final exams, etc. Like it or not, this county is race obsessed and if you don't agree with the changes you are a racist.
Anonymous
11/22/2016 12:49
Subject: Re:B-CC MS number 2
Anonymous wrote:
If equity in diversity doesn't matter and then we at RHPS have had neighborhood schools taken away from our youngest children for decades for nothing. We believed in our purpose, to be told it doesn't matter is insulting. We have every right to be angry. Time to end RHPS busing. Let our kindergartners walk to school like everyone else.
+1,000,000