Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of snobs at Janney.

Janney families are not snobs. Have you ever been to a Janney birthday party? The Janney moms definitely are not snobby.

Anonymous wrote:Ew, Janney is in Tenleytown, right? I read that Chick Fillet thread. No way my children are going to Janney, Murch, or Hearst. My children need to be able to sit down when they eat their chicken sandwiches.

Chick fil a is not worried about Janney kids.

There are a lot of snobs at Janney.

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Anonymous wrote:How does Janney compare to Key?

close but slightly ahead in top tier order rankings:
1. Janney
2. Key
3. Lafayette
4. Mann

But you left out the handicap of having to deal with Janney parents, which moves it down the list several pegs.

But Janney has the Deal feeder, which pops it right back up there.

See, this can go on forever. There is always something.

NP I'll play. I actually ranked these schools for lottery. I am already IB for Deal (not at any of these). I also value scores which bring Janney down a little.

1. Eaton
2. Stoddert
3. Hearst
4. Mann
5. Lafayette
6. Janney
7. Murch (mainly due to renovation)
8. Ross

^^^ Fair enough. That was my posting, and I was mostly being silly. But your point is well taken.

Hearst seems to be rising, but Eaton consistently seems to punch below its weight. You'd expect that being located in the middle of Cleveland Park Eaton would be a stellar school, but compared to most in Ward 3 it's not top tier. Why?

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Anonymous wrote:How does Janney compare to Key?

close but slightly ahead in top tier order rankings:
1. Janney
2. Key
3. Lafayette
4. Mann

But you left out the handicap of having to deal with Janney parents, which moves it down the list several pegs.

But Janney has the Deal feeder, which pops it right back up there.

See, this can go on forever. There is always something.

NP I'll play. I actually ranked these schools for lottery. I am already IB for Deal (not at any of these). I also value scores which bring Janney down a little.

1. Eaton
2. Stoddert
3. Hearst
4. Mann
5. Lafayette
6. Janney
7. Murch (mainly due to renovation)
8. Ross

^^^ Fair enough. That was my posting, and I was mostly being silly. But your point is well taken.

'You have one teacher, who likely has the features you list above, and she has an aide, who is not on the DCPS payroll as a teacher. She was hired as an assistant, with PTA funds, and you know it.

If you're so cocksure you have two full-time, salaried, union teachers in your child's Janney classroom, as described by this position listing, why don't you tell us what grade that is? And while you're at it, specify which other classrooms at Janney have two union member, full-time, credentialed teachers? Because I'm sure yours isn't the only anointed classroom at Janney, right?"

Wow, it's amazing that you're not part of the Janney community, don't know what grade I'm talking about, certainly don't know what teachers are assigned to that grade, and obviously haven't read their bios, and yet you magically know more about the teachers than I do, even though several of the teachers have been with that grade for several years. That must make you feel pretty good about yourself!

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Anonymous wrote:How many teachers does the PTA pay direct salaries for? I didn't think that was allowed, was it?

Sure it's allowed. The PTA is a non-profit, it can hire its own employees and assign them to teach in a school, any school. They just need to do the DCPS background check and get permission of the principal.

Actually, no. Contact your neighborhood labor lawyer.

I would imagine it's a question of union labour agreements no? I.e teacher is defined as X in he agreement, and no, they can't hire another teacher. But the PTA funds are likely unrestricted and can be used to fund other areas, thereby freeing cash to hire actual (Union) teachers no? Money is fungible after all.

Yes, of course. But PP claimed Janney PTA hired teachers and was the employer of the teachers (thus legally a "joint employer" with DCPS).

Ew, Janney is in Tenleytown, right? I read that Chick Fillet thread. No way my children are going to Janney, Murch, or Hearst. My children need to be able to sit down when they eat their chicken sandwiches.

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Anonymous wrote:How many teachers does the PTA pay direct salaries for? I didn't think that was allowed, was it?

Sure it's allowed. The PTA is a non-profit, it can hire its own employees and assign them to teach in a school, any school. They just need to do the DCPS background check and get permission of the principal.

Actually, no. Contact your neighborhood labor lawyer.

I would imagine it's a question of union labour agreements no? I.e teacher is defined as X in he agreement, and no, they can't hire another teacher. But the PTA funds are likely unrestricted and can be used to fund other areas, thereby freeing cash to hire actual (Union) teachers no? Money is fungible after all.

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Anonymous wrote:"DCPS doesn't allow actual certified teacher::pupil ratio to dip to 11::1 in K and up in non-Title I schools including Janney. PTA funds cannot buy additional accredited, credentialed teachers to bring down ratios.

So, still no. They are not teachers in the way that the actual teacher is a teacher, even if they have now completed college."

So, let me understand your argument. The people who are in my child's classroom, who have master degrees in education and years of experience as certified teachers in DCPS, and who are giving instruction and assistance to my child, aren't "teachers" because there can be only one "teacher" in a classroom?

Sounds logical to me.

You have one teacher, who likely has the features you list above, and she has an aide, who is not on the DCPS payroll as a teacher. She was hired as an assistant, with PTA funds, and you know it.

If you're so cocksure you have two full-time, salaried, union teachers in your child's Janney classroom, as described by this position listing, why don't you tell us what grade that is? And while you're at it, specify which other classrooms at Janney have two union member, full-time, credentialed teachers? Because I'm sure yours isn't the only anointed classroom at Janney, right?

http://dcps.dc.gov/node/987062

Why the vitriol, PP?
Let her think she has two teachers. What good do you get with the hair splitting : is the teacher on DCPS payroll, union, etc....?

And please do not come back to say you wanted to put the Janney parent in her place.

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Anonymous wrote:"DCPS doesn't allow actual certified teacher::pupil ratio to dip to 11::1 in K and up in non-Title I schools including Janney. PTA funds cannot buy additional accredited, credentialed teachers to bring down ratios.

So, still no. They are not teachers in the way that the actual teacher is a teacher, even if they have now completed college."

So, let me understand your argument. The people who are in my child's classroom, who have master degrees in education and years of experience as certified teachers in DCPS, and who are giving instruction and assistance to my child, aren't "teachers" because there can be only one "teacher" in a classroom?

Sounds logical to me.

You have one teacher, who likely has the features you list above, and she has an aide, who is not on the DCPS payroll as a teacher. She was hired as an assistant, with PTA funds, and you know it.

If you're so cocksure you have two full-time, salaried, union teachers in your child's Janney classroom, as described by this position listing, why don't you tell us what grade that is? And while you're at it, specify which other classrooms at Janney have two union member, full-time, credentialed teachers? Because I'm sure yours isn't the only anointed classroom at Janney, right?

http://dcps.dc.gov/node/987062

Why the vitriol, PP?
Let her think she has two teachers. What good do you get with the hair splitting : is the teacher on DCPS payroll, union, etc....?

Anonymous wrote:So you have two classes of teachers - the DCPS ones with all the rights and benefits that come with a unionized teaching position and the ones with less compensation - no pension, less fulsome health insurance and no retirement or job security. It's just wrong and unfair.

I think so too...
Especially because they deserve to be teachers, with all the credentials they have and the experience they offer.

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Anonymous wrote:So how many PTA-salaried teachers are at Janney?

None in homeroom roles.

You mean none in any of the 39+ roles defined as "Teacher" in the collective bargaining agreement. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:How many teachers does the PTA pay direct salaries for? I didn't think that was allowed, was it?

Sure it's allowed. The PTA is a non-profit, it can hire its own employees and assign them to teach in a school, any school. They just need to do the DCPS background check and get permission of the principal.

Actually, no. Contact your neighborhood labor lawyer.

So you have two classes of teachers - the DCPS ones with all the rights and benefits that come with a unionized teaching position and the ones with less compensation - no pension, less fulsome health insurance and no retirement or job security. It's just wrong and unfair.