And even if it was about him - what she said in the speech is essentially true regardless of who said what on this phone call. He IS delusional if he thinks that he is what made her famous. Her 1989 album was a success on a magnitude that was unexpected even on her level. She did that without his help.

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Anonymous wrote:They're not harassing her. They're defending themselves. Why is Taylor allowed to attack whoever she wants but no ones allowed to defend themselves against her? She tried ruining John Mayer, Harry Styles, Katy perry, that Camila girl years ago (calling her a WHORE because a Joe bro chose her) Etc? I'd have to say that all of her fame is built on music about "character assassinations" of other people

This stuff recently - I can get on board with them defending themselves. They knew how the phone call went and had the footage. But Kanye and Kim have been milking this supposed TS "feud" for years. Why include that stupid lyric in the first place? Why not just STOP TALKING ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT since they dislike her so much and apparently find her mediocre? Just STOP talking about her publicly! Gee, novel idea I know.

This! For God's Sake. This whole thing is so petty and ridiculous. But I have a bridge to sell you if you think the Kardashians don't have a vested interest in keeping this stupid feud going.

Fine but as if TS hasn't done the exact same thing. If she didn't want to be linked to them then why make her whole Grammy speech about kanye? Its supposed to be about her triumph on an album that has nothing to do with him and she invoked the feud. Why "make up" with kanye publicly? TS is very aware of her image and curates every word and picture. She got tons of mileage off the first kanye incident so she tried for a repeat. Got burned trying.

How do we even know it was about him? I would not be surprised to hear that she has other toxic people in her life trying to take credit for her success.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

This just proves how ignorant you are about hip-hop.

Maybe a bunch of Maroon 5 fans didn't know him, but millions of others did

+1 I seriously don't know one person who didn't know who he was when that happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

Yea... yea they did. He's been around for a long time. Much more famous and much more talented

No, not more famous or talented. He gas less songs, less sales, less Twitter followers.

He is Kim's husband to most the world or that crazy guy who has emotional issues... No not Chris brown the other one.

Are you vapid? Playing dumb for some DCUM attention? Or what? I refuse to believe anyone is this stupid. You're basing fame on Twitter followers? Kanye has a tenured career in the music industry, and while he may not be your cup of tea, you cannot diminish his accomplishments. Kanye has 21 Grammy wins to Taylor's 10. Kanye has 57 Grammy nominations to Taylor's 39. He is a powerhouse and he's had incredible longevity in music and fashion because of how talented he is. You cannot take away from that just because you do cannot appreciate his music and his talents.

Explain why such a powerful guy would make it his mission to tear down a young rising star? Does that make him a big man..... or a big bully? Is he helping her or harassing her?

I think it must be overwhelming to someone like Taylor to be the target of this creep.

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Anonymous wrote:They're not harassing her. They're defending themselves. Why is Taylor allowed to attack whoever she wants but no ones allowed to defend themselves against her? She tried ruining John Mayer, Harry Styles, Katy perry, that Camila girl years ago (calling her a WHORE because a Joe bro chose her) Etc? I'd have to say that all of her fame is built on music about "character assassinations" of other people

This stuff recently - I can get on board with them defending themselves. They knew how the phone call went and had the footage. But Kanye and Kim have been milking this supposed TS "feud" for years. Why include that stupid lyric in the first place? Why not just STOP TALKING ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT since they dislike her so much and apparently find her mediocre? Just STOP talking about her publicly! Gee, novel idea I know.

This! For God's Sake. This whole thing is so petty and ridiculous. But I have a bridge to sell you if you think the Kardashians don't have a vested interest in keeping this stupid feud going.

Fine but as if TS hasn't done the exact same thing. If she didn't want to be linked to them then why make her whole Grammy speech about kanye? Its supposed to be about her triumph on an album that has nothing to do with him and she invoked the feud. Why "make up" with kanye publicly? TS is very aware of her image and curates every word and picture. She got tons of mileage off the first kanye incident so she tried for a repeat. Got burned trying.

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Anonymous wrote:They're not harassing her. They're defending themselves. Why is Taylor allowed to attack whoever she wants but no ones allowed to defend themselves against her? She tried ruining John Mayer, Harry Styles, Katy perry, that Camila girl years ago (calling her a WHORE because a Joe bro chose her) Etc? I'd have to say that all of her fame is built on music about "character assassinations" of other people

This stuff recently - I can get on board with them defending themselves. They knew how the phone call went and had the footage. But Kanye and Kim have been milking this supposed TS "feud" for years. Why include that stupid lyric in the first place? Why not just STOP TALKING ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT since they dislike her so much and apparently find her mediocre? Just STOP talking about her publicly! Gee, novel idea I know.

This! For God's Sake. This whole thing is so petty and ridiculous. But I have a bridge to sell you if you think the Kardashians don't have a vested interest in keeping this stupid feud going.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

Yea... yea they did. He's been around for a long time. Much more famous and much more talented

No, not more famous or talented. He gas less songs, less sales, less Twitter followers.

He is Kim's husband to most the world or that crazy guy who has emotional issues... No not Chris brown the other one.

Are you vapid? Playing dumb for some DCUM attention? Or what? I refuse to believe anyone is this stupid. You're basing fame on Twitter followers? Kanye has a tenured career in the music industry, and while he may not be your cup of tea, you cannot diminish his accomplishments. Kanye has 21 Grammy wins to Taylor's 10. Kanye has 57 Grammy nominations to Taylor's 39. He is a powerhouse and he's had incredible longevity in music and fashion because of how talented he is. You cannot take away from that just because you do cannot appreciate his music and his talents.

Amen.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

Yea... yea they did. He's been around for a long time. Much more famous and much more talented

No, not more famous or talented. He gas less songs, less sales, less Twitter followers.

He is Kim's husband to most the world or that crazy guy who has emotional issues... No not Chris brown the other one.

Are you vapid? Playing dumb for some DCUM attention? Or what? I refuse to believe anyone is this stupid. You're basing fame on Twitter followers? Kanye has a tenured career in the music industry, and while he may not be your cup of tea, you cannot diminish his accomplishments. Kanye has 21 Grammy wins to Taylor's 10. Kanye has 57 Grammy nominations to Taylor's 39. He is a powerhouse and he's had incredible longevity in music and fashion because of how talented he is. You cannot take away from that just because you do cannot appreciate his music and his talents.

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Anonymous wrote:They're not harassing her. They're defending themselves. Why is Taylor allowed to attack whoever she wants but no ones allowed to defend themselves against her? She tried ruining John Mayer, Harry Styles, Katy perry, that Camila girl years ago (calling her a WHORE because a Joe bro chose her) Etc? I'd have to say that all of her fame is built on music about "character assassinations" of other people

This. All of this. Quoted for emphasis because DCUM doesn't seem to get it.

+1

She did not try to "ruin" all those people. She wrote songs about them because she's an artist who draws inspiration from her own life. That song Mean is about a real person too, not that anyone cares about that because he's not a good looking household name. It's an amazing son that millions of people love and she was able to write it because of the strong (negative) emotion he created in her life.

Where she went wrong, imo, is letting the public know that any of her songs are "about" anyone in particular.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

This just proves how ignorant you are about hip-hop.

Maybe a bunch of Maroon 5 fans didn't know him, but millions of others did

Anonymous wrote:They're not harassing her. They're defending themselves. Why is Taylor allowed to attack whoever she wants but no ones allowed to defend themselves against her? She tried ruining John Mayer, Harry Styles, Katy perry, that Camila girl years ago (calling her a WHORE because a Joe bro chose her) Etc? I'd have to say that all of her fame is built on music about "character assassinations" of other people

This stuff recently - I can get on board with them defending themselves. They knew how the phone call went and had the footage. But Kanye and Kim have been milking this supposed TS "feud" for years. Why include that stupid lyric in the first place? Why not just STOP TALKING ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT since they dislike her so much and apparently find her mediocre? Just STOP talking about her publicly! Gee, novel idea I know.

Anonymous wrote:They're not harassing her. They're defending themselves. Why is Taylor allowed to attack whoever she wants but no ones allowed to defend themselves against her? She tried ruining John Mayer, Harry Styles, Katy perry, that Camila girl years ago (calling her a WHORE because a Joe bro chose her) Etc? I'd have to say that all of her fame is built on music about "character assassinations" of other people

This. All of this. Quoted for emphasis because DCUM doesn't seem to get it.

Do you posters realize that this isn't about the video? So the video, Swift's likeness in it, etc. are not the point, at all. None of that was ever in discussion between the parties, nor has it ever been. The issue is the lyrics itself, so stop trying to drag the video into the conversation as the video was never even out when TS started this entire debacle with her lies.

Second, everyone here is aware that artists do NOT need to run anything, by anyone, right? Very few, if any, artists call one another to even hint that they will be mentioning them in a song. Does Eminem ring a bell? Do you think he called people to get approval before dissing them? No. He did not. And Kanye never needed to either. He tried to be her friend, he tried to create an open dialogue, which is well above and beyond what he needed to do as an artist, and she stabbed him in the back.

There's literally nothing genuine about TS and her posse of mean girls and I for one am glad that this is all coming to light now.

They're not harassing her. They're defending themselves. Why is Taylor allowed to attack whoever she wants but no ones allowed to defend themselves against her? She tried ruining John Mayer, Harry Styles, Katy perry, that Camila girl years ago (calling her a WHORE because a Joe bro chose her) Etc? I'd have to say that all of her fame is built on music about "character assassinations" of other people