Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:28
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.
Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.
Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.
Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.
Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.
Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?
It's simple anatomy. Men have to enter a woman. Women do not enter a man and for the most part can't force a man to have sex. Additionally, women are able to get pregnant and men are not. All of these facts are what lead us to concern over rape. Additionally women typically aren't as strong and able to defend themselves. Even if this woman was completely sober she probably wouldn't have been able to defend herself against a student athlete much larger and stronger.
I'm concerned you don't understand this.
I'm concerned that you do, yet don't hold responsible in any way women who drink to excess and agree to leave parties with men they've just met.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:28
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.
Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.
Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.
Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.
Except they weren't. He only claimed they were all lovey dovey a year later when he know he was in trouble. Initially he said they weren't and he had no plans to take her inside.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:25
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.
Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/
Survivor here. That facebook page is absolutely horrific. If you have experienced sexual assault/abuse/rape, I suggest you don't click on the link.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:25
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:If he was sober enough to realize he should run away and did in fact run away, he was sober enough to realize she was unconscious.
He was very drunk and apparently easily tripped, although an elite athlete, by a grad student. Clearly the alcohol incapacitated her more quickly than him but both were not in a normal state of mind.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:22
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If he was sober enough to realize he should run away and did in fact run away, he was sober enough to realize she was unconscious.
Fight or flight is pretty primitive. He wasn't sober when he fled. Either he knew he was committing a crime, panicked and fled, or thought he wasn't committing a crime, panicked and fled.
Not raping someone is pretty primitive too. For most people.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:21
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.
Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.
Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.
Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.
Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.
Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?
It's simple anatomy. Men have to enter a woman. Women do not enter a man and for the most part can't force a man to have sex. Additionally, women are able to get pregnant and men are not. All of these facts are what lead us to concern over rape. Additionally women typically aren't as strong and able to defend themselves. Even if this woman was completely sober she probably wouldn't have been able to defend herself against a student athlete much larger and stronger.
I'm concerned you don't understand this.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:17
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:If he was sober enough to realize he should run away and did in fact run away, he was sober enough to realize she was unconscious.
Fight or flight is pretty primitive. He wasn't sober when he fled. Either he knew he was committing a crime, panicked and fled, or thought he wasn't committing a crime, panicked and fled.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:16
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Actually, the father is correct.
Both of them were drunk. Both. She was so drunk, she had no idea of anything, and didn't come-to until she was in the hospital, with no recollection. She was black-out drunk. While no one deserves to be raped, she placed herself in a very dangerous state. I do want to know where her friends were, where her sister was, where ANY responsible person was - probably drunk themselves. It would have been a cold day in hell, in college, when I would have left one of my friends (or a perfect stranger) alone, that dangerously drunk.
His son, in his drunken state, assaulted this girl. Very, very wrong. He IS taking responsibility for his actions. What disturbs me, is not only is she NOT taking responsibility for her own stupidity, but she has all the pity in the world. The net result of that is the message that people can get as stupid-drunk as they want and expect NO harm to come of them. That is NOT a message I have EVER given my children, and ever will.
This statement from the victim? “You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today,” she read in court from her victim impact statement,
What kind of worth does one have when one is so drunk, one can't even function? What kind of confidence? What kind of intimacy?
And this? "I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me."
She completely brushes aside her responsibility in becoming a 'wounded antelope'.
The judge did good in this case.
You're a horrible person. And I hope you don't have children.
Facts are pretty horrible things. She can't get that stinking drunk, and then complain about not being able to physically fend for herself. He didn't pour the liquor down her throat. She drank it herself. She made HERSELF vulnerable. It sucks, but it is what it is.
Yes, she can. The same way that a person who is smaller and weaker can "complain" when someone larger and stronger overpowers them physically. Facts ARE pretty horrible things. In this case, a jury convicted him of 3 felony counts of sexual abuse. It "sucks" but it is what it is, as a very intelligent person once said.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:16
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
If he was sober enough to realize he should run away and did in fact run away, he was sober enough to realize she was unconscious.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:15
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:What's really scaring me here is that the people blaming women might have sons. A-holes like the dad in this story aren't teaching men not to f'in rape people! It shouldn't matter if I'm sober or intoxicated, if the people I'm around are taught to respect others, it won't matter.
Did you see this? Terrifying:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/06/03/more-than-half-of-college-athletes-surveyed-at-one-university-admit-coercing-a-partner-into-sex/
I wanted to highlight this earlier post, because this study is frightening. And timely given the news about this case. This article goes into a bit more depth, including numbers for specfic questions: http://www.medicaldaily.com/college-athletes-sexual-assault-rape-myths-388585
Some highlights:
A startling 54 percent of the student-athletes admitted to committing at least one “sexually coercive” act in their lifetimes, such as making their partner have sex without a condom or using physical force or threats to commit rape. Nonathletes fared better, but 38 percent still admitted the same. Athletes were also more likely to endorse negative attitudes toward women and believe common myths about rape than their nonathletic counterparts.
Myths the researchers asked about during the survey included the belief that women often allege rape to get back at men; that rape isn’t legitimate if a woman doesn’t physically struggle to prevent it; and that survivors who were intoxicated at the time are partly responsible for their sexual assault.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:09
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe we should revisit the issue of consent after Brock gets 20 minutes of action in prison.
I hope that happens. That seems to be the only justice he could get - being on the receiving end of rape this time.
Let's not lose our civility, people.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:09
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:For those of you saying he was drunk so he should be excused, how many of you have raped another human while drunk? I'm gonna guess NONE.
Some of the PPs may be saying that. I'm saying he may have thought he was having (unromantic) consensual sex with a stranger met a party.
The fact that he said he was not guilty and is appealing makes him look unremorseful. Or that he believes that he is innocent. He's not, because by definition any sex with a drunk girl is rape.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:08
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?
One person was unconscious. The other person engaged in a criminal act.
Do you also excuse drunk drivers?
Usually, only the driver was drunk. Not the innocents he hit. That's the difference. We know the other party didn't say "yes, please hit us with your car and kill/maim us please"
You don't know if she consented before falling unconscious. Both were well above the legal limit. So he was not of his right mind either. End of.
Well, he was 'in his right mind' enough to be humping her, penatrating her, and, when he realized he was being noticed, trying to escape two men who were trying to see what the bloody hell was going on. So, in more of his 'right mind' than she was.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:08
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?
One person was unconscious. The other person engaged in a criminal act.
Do you also excuse drunk drivers?
Usually, only the driver was drunk. Not the innocents he hit. That's the difference. We know the other party didn't say "yes, please hit us with your car and kill/maim us please"
You don't know if she consented before falling unconscious. Both were well above the legal limit. So he was not of his right mind either. End of.
The difference is he committed a crime. She did not.
Anonymous
06/06/2016 13:07
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Maybe we should revisit the issue of consent after Brock gets 20 minutes of action in prison.
I hope that happens. That seems to be the only justice he could get - being on the receiving end of rape this time.