Anonymous
01/22/2015 11:31
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.
MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.
+1
Since we are 13 years into world war 3, Chris Kyle is more relevant today.
This is not world war iii, anymore than Ebola was the end of America. Conservatives are a panicky bunch.
MLK is clearly more relevant. He changed our entire society. If you can't admit that, you are seriously racist.
Whoa, whoa!! Not the PP and I don't agree with him/her but you are saying if someone chooses to think someone is more relevant than MLK, that they are RACIST? Can the liberals please stop using the race card for every ridiculous retort. Please come up with something better.
In the particular case of MLK yes this is 100% true.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 10:51
Subject: American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, I saw both Selma and American Sniper and I enjoyed them BOTH. I think it is stupid to compare the two and I certainly would not criticize anyone for seeing one over the other. Frankly, I would hope that people would see both - they represent different experiences about being American. It is annoying that folks are always drawing these dumbass ideological lnes in the sand.
Interestingly enough, I am the DW of an Iraq vet and I would identify myself Liberal to Moderate. I am guess I am the oxymoron in the room. TBH, the thing that bothers me about Kyle (even before the movie) is his bravado about killing. Granted I am comparing him to my DH who has never mentioned how many folks he killed and would get downright insulted if you asked him. He took no pride in it and towards the end of his deployment realized that the enemies were men sent by their leaders to fight for an ideal. My DH does not glorify his time in Iraq and would not allow anyone else to fawn over him because of it. He did what he was ordered to do.
Um, Kyle didn't glorify himself. The troops around him named him the legend, the military and government awarded him. He was asked to speak multiple times. He was gunned down helping another Vet. It went to national news more after he died than before. The book sales went to soldier's families he wasn't able to save.
But yeah, compare him to your husband and Kyle does sound horrible.
Actually he did...I have seen him speak. But that's fine. You have the right to glorify him just like I have the right not to. I know many military folks, including my DH, so luckily for me I have many other vets to admire. Carry on though.
He should feel good about what he did - he saved American lives. The type terrorists he killed didn't hesitate to murder innocents in Paris recently. Have you already forgotten to be Charlie?
PP here. Nothing wrong with feeling good about doing your duty and serving your country. But you know that is not what we are talking about. TBH, a lot of military folks do not believe in glorfying the killing that they did in performing their duties. Many of them have mental and emotional problems now because they had to take lives over there. But like I said, different strokes. I know many people who were just as "heroic" as Kyle was but they are not writing books about it or travelling the country speaking. But whatever, I enjoyed the movie.
I know a lot of people like MLK that fought hard for Civil Rights but they don't have a national holiday or their name in history books, a memorial monument, or books written about them. So does that not make it fair? Should we take all of those away because other people also fought for civil rights?
And Chris had PTSD. It wasn't like he came back and was a-okay and glorifying what he did. He suffered. He did not like the attention. A memoir is writing from your soul, to try and get rid of his demons. You can say "I know one soldier and he would never mention a killing to anyone." Well he wasn't the sniper everyone knew about. People wanted to hear his stories and even if you don't agree or appreciate them all, it takes a lot to do that.
Well I am not the one who is comparing him to MLK and I think that comparison is a little silly so I do not really know how to respond to that. Right or wrong, MLK has become a proxy for all of those who fought in the CRM, just like the WWII Memorial and the Vietnam Memorials represent all of the soldiers who fought in those wars. But like I said, it is pretty silly to compare them and I think the person who first tried to bring in Selma was trying to race bait.
Listen, I appreciate his service and I understand his PTSD issues and what it does to a person firsthand. If people think that Kyle is important because he can bring awareness to PTSD, the challenges of the returning soldier, and the various issues that they and their families face during and after deployment - I am all for that. If people think he is important becuase he killed a bunch of the enemy, that is not something I think is appropriate. It took me a few posts, but I hope I was able to better articulate what I meant.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 10:39
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.
MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.
+1
Since we are 13 years into world war 3, Chris Kyle is more relevant today.
This is not world war iii, anymore than Ebola was the end of America. Conservatives are a panicky bunch.
MLK is clearly more relevant. He changed our entire society. If you can't admit that, you are seriously racist.
Whoa, whoa!! Not the PP and I don't agree with him/her but you are saying if someone chooses to think someone is more relevant than MLK, that they are RACIST? Can the liberals please stop using the race card for every ridiculous retort. Please come up with something better.
that's not what the PP said. PP said Kyle less relevant than MLK. He is - if not for the glorification of him through American Sniper, he would just be some guy who wrote and book and died tragically. He would NOT end up a history lesson or would even be discussed today.
That is exactly what the PP said. If he can't admit MLK is more relevant than he is a racist. No, I mean "seriously racist!" I highlighted it just in case you misread it.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 10:30
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.
MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.
+1
Since we are 13 years into world war 3, Chris Kyle is more relevant today.
This is not world war iii, anymore than Ebola was the end of America. Conservatives are a panicky bunch.
MLK is clearly more relevant. He changed our entire society. If you can't admit that, you are seriously racist.
Whoa, whoa!! Not the PP and I don't agree with him/her but you are saying if someone chooses to think someone is more relevant than MLK, that they are RACIST? Can the liberals please stop using the race card for every ridiculous retort. Please come up with something better.
that's not what the PP said. PP said Kyle less relevant than MLK. He is - if not for the glorification of him through American Sniper, he would just be some guy who wrote and book and died tragically. He would NOT end up a history lesson or would even be discussed today.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 10:15
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.
MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.
+1
Since we are 13 years into world war 3, Chris Kyle is more relevant today.
This is not world war iii, anymore than Ebola was the end of America. Conservatives are a panicky bunch.
MLK is clearly more relevant. He changed our entire society. If you can't admit that, you are seriously racist.
Whoa, whoa!! Not the PP and I don't agree with him/her but you are saying if someone chooses to think someone is more relevant than MLK, that they are RACIST? Can the liberals please stop using the race card for every ridiculous retort. Please come up with something better.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 10:12
Subject: American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, I saw both Selma and American Sniper and I enjoyed them BOTH. I think it is stupid to compare the two and I certainly would not criticize anyone for seeing one over the other. Frankly, I would hope that people would see both - they represent different experiences about being American. It is annoying that folks are always drawing these dumbass ideological lnes in the sand.
Interestingly enough, I am the DW of an Iraq vet and I would identify myself Liberal to Moderate. I am guess I am the oxymoron in the room. TBH, the thing that bothers me about Kyle (even before the movie) is his bravado about killing. Granted I am comparing him to my DH who has never mentioned how many folks he killed and would get downright insulted if you asked him. He took no pride in it and towards the end of his deployment realized that the enemies were men sent by their leaders to fight for an ideal. My DH does not glorify his time in Iraq and would not allow anyone else to fawn over him because of it. He did what he was ordered to do.
Um, Kyle didn't glorify himself. The troops around him named him the legend, the military and government awarded him. He was asked to speak multiple times. He was gunned down helping another Vet. It went to national news more after he died than before. The book sales went to soldier's families he wasn't able to save.
But yeah, compare him to your husband and Kyle does sound horrible.
Actually he did...I have seen him speak. But that's fine. You have the right to glorify him just like I have the right not to. I know many military folks, including my DH, so luckily for me I have many other vets to admire. Carry on though.
He should feel good about what he did - he saved American lives. The type terrorists he killed didn't hesitate to murder innocents in Paris recently. Have you already forgotten to be Charlie?
PP here. Nothing wrong with feeling good about doing your duty and serving your country. But you know that is not what we are talking about. TBH, a lot of military folks do not believe in glorfying the killing that they did in performing their duties. Many of them have mental and emotional problems now because they had to take lives over there. But like I said, different strokes. I know many people who were just as "heroic" as Kyle was but they are not writing books about it or travelling the country speaking. But whatever, I enjoyed the movie.
I know a lot of people like MLK that fought hard for Civil Rights but they don't have a national holiday or their name in history books, a memorial monument, or books written about them. So does that not make it fair? Should we take all of those away because other people also fought for civil rights?
And Chris had PTSD. It wasn't like he came back and was a-okay and glorifying what he did. He suffered. He did not like the attention. A memoir is writing from your soul, to try and get rid of his demons. You can say "I know one soldier and he would never mention a killing to anyone." Well he wasn't the sniper everyone knew about. People wanted to hear his stories and even if you don't agree or appreciate them all, it takes a lot to do that.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 10:05
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.
MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.
+1
MLK cheated on his wife over and over again. He backstabbed a lot of people. Shouldn't we look at the "whole" MLK and not the just the "I have a dream" MLK.
Because god forbid we just appreciate a vet for his years and years of service and not a few things he did during his PTSD and alcoholism days.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 10:01
Subject: American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, I saw both Selma and American Sniper and I enjoyed them BOTH. I think it is stupid to compare the two and I certainly would not criticize anyone for seeing one over the other. Frankly, I would hope that people would see both - they represent different experiences about being American. It is annoying that folks are always drawing these dumbass ideological lnes in the sand.
Interestingly enough, I am the DW of an Iraq vet and I would identify myself Liberal to Moderate. I am guess I am the oxymoron in the room. TBH, the thing that bothers me about Kyle (even before the movie) is his bravado about killing. Granted I am comparing him to my DH who has never mentioned how many folks he killed and would get downright insulted if you asked him. He took no pride in it and towards the end of his deployment realized that the enemies were men sent by their leaders to fight for an ideal. My DH does not glorify his time in Iraq and would not allow anyone else to fawn over him because of it. He did what he was ordered to do.
Um, Kyle didn't glorify himself. The troops around him named him the legend, the military and government awarded him. He was asked to speak multiple times. He was gunned down helping another Vet. It went to national news more after he died than before. The book sales went to soldier's families he wasn't able to save.
But yeah, compare him to your husband and Kyle does sound horrible.
Actually he did...I have seen him speak. But that's fine. You have the right to glorify him just like I have the right not to. I know many military folks, including my DH, so luckily for me I have many other vets to admire. Carry on though.
He should feel good about what he did - he saved American lives. The type terrorists he killed didn't hesitate to murder innocents in Paris recently. Have you already forgotten to be Charlie?
PP here. Nothing wrong with feeling good about doing your duty and serving your country. But you know that is not what we are talking about. TBH, a lot of military folks do not believe in glorfying the killing that they did in performing their duties. Many of them have mental and emotional problems now because they had to take lives over there. But like I said, different strokes. I know many people who were just as "heroic" as Kyle was but they are not writing books about it or travelling the country speaking. But whatever, I enjoyed the movie.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 07:57
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.
MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.
+1
Since we are 13 years into world war 3, Chris Kyle is more relevant today.
This is not world war iii, anymore than Ebola was the end of America. Conservatives are a panicky bunch.
MLK is clearly more relevant. He changed our entire society. If you can't admit that, you are seriously racist.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 07:54
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.
MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.
+1
Since we are 13 years into world war 3, Chris Kyle is more relevant today.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 07:52
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.
MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.
+1
Boring.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 07:28
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.
MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.
+1
Anonymous
01/22/2015 01:40
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:So, nobody wants to talk about his Katrina stories? He Claimed that he and other snipers were ordered to kill dozens of looters in the aftermath of Katrina. This is a pretty serious allegation and NOBODY is talking about it. If it's not true, he should be held accountable. If it is true, the Bush Administration should be held accountable.
It's another lie. The New Yorker and the Washington Post did extensive profiles on Kyle and found absolutely nothing to substantiate the Katrina story.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/06/03/in-the-crosshairs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/
Anonymous
01/22/2015 01:35
Subject: Re:American Sniper
Talk about the Katrina stories. Are they in his memoir? Hello--posse comitatus. My DH was ordered to Katrina to help . No one in the military was shooting anyone. They were providing infrastructure support. If Chris Kyle shot anyone MANY US laws were broken and your beef should be with someone MUCH HIGHER UP as it would be under orders. This just sounds ridiculous. Sorry.
Anonymous
01/22/2015 01:26
Subject: American Sniper
Anonymous wrote:These posts are disgusting. I hope all of you who can sit here and spend time trashing a deceased veteran who fought in 4 tours to defend this very country you live in, NEVER have a love one die in the hands of a terrorist.
But I wish we could lift you out of your comfy chair and throw you in the middle of Iraq. You would all be begging for help from a vet like him.
Honestly shocked. Repulsed. Amazed how crappy our vets are treated.
Nobody criticized his service. Many of is expressed gratitude. But he did some really crappy stuff once he came home. Do you really think we are all obligated to love every single vet forever and ever, no matter what they do?