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Anonymous wrote:Because God is Truth, and I choose to live my life following truth. It's really that simple.

No, it isn't. If you need faith to believe in it then how do you know it is the truth? With faith you could believe in absolutely anything at all.

Here we go again... the old cycling argument...

If you would open your eyes and open your mind, you would know that God is Truth. But you've already decided that you are right and the hundreds of millions of people throughout human history who have had a personal relationship with God -- many through Jesus Christ -- are wrong.

Truth isn't decided by majority voting. Hundreds of millions of people throughout human history also saw women as chattel and believed that slavery is a natural order of things. That they had a personal relationship with God (assuming it was genuine) speaks of nothing but their need to have one. Just as people who believed slavery is a natural order of things needed it to be so to fit their needs.

That is Man's interpretation of Hell. I am a Christian that does not believe in that. I have a more metaphysical understanding. I think Hell is what we have created on earth now. I dont believe God out of fear, i do it becaues He loved me first and His love is perfect. As for why horrible things happen, because we allow it. God breathed into us His Spirit. He is Creation, therefore we have the ability to create. He gave us dominion on Earth. We have have used both our Creative ability and that dominion to create evil and wreak havoc on this earth. We allow poverty, we allow our egos to run rampant therefore allowing ourselves to do harm emotionally, physically,etc to others.
We say there is no God, don't seek Him for guidance and direction, take Him out of ECERYTHING, then blame Him cause its all gone to s***.

The question should be: why believe in this ^^ god. A punitive god would be the worst! He could save us all but he's miffed and turns his back. It really takes an odd duck to enjoy the idea of such an authoritarian god.

But God does not turn His back, that is why He sent His Son.
You cannot deny God, then get mad because you do not like,or understand the way He does things.
If you don't believe, leave it alone . Don't be so mad that others do believe. You evidently want prove how your unbelief makes you smarter. It doesn't, it just makes you more arrogant. I am not smarter because I have faith, it does not make me more valuable either.

i Just want to clarify that what I was trying to say was that your determination to prove people of faith are not smart or logical makes you arrogant. I was not saying that your unbelief makes you arrogant.

Who is trying to prove people of faith are not smart or logical? Its' been said on this and other threads, by believers and non-believers alike, that believers can be very smart and logical, but it's not intelligence or logic that makes them believers -- it's faith.

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Anonymous wrote:Because God is Truth, and I choose to live my life following truth. It's really that simple.

No, it isn't. If you need faith to believe in it then how do you know it is the truth? With faith you could believe in absolutely anything at all.

Here we go again... the old cycling argument...

If you would open your eyes and open your mind, you would know that God is Truth. But you've already decided that you are right and the hundreds of millions of people throughout human history who have had a personal relationship with God -- many through Jesus Christ -- are wrong.

Truth isn't decided by majority voting. Hundreds of millions of people throughout human history also saw women as chattel and believed that slavery is a natural order of things. That they had a personal relationship with God (assuming it was genuine) speaks of nothing but their need to have one. Just as people who believed slavery is a natural order of things needed it to be so to fit their needs.

That is Man's interpretation of Hell. I am a Christian that does not believe in that. I have a more metaphysical understanding. I think Hell is what we have created on earth now. I dont believe God out of fear, i do it becaues He loved me first and His love is perfect. As for why horrible things happen, because we allow it. God breathed into us His Spirit. He is Creation, therefore we have the ability to create. He gave us dominion on Earth. We have have used both our Creative ability and that dominion to create evil and wreak havoc on this earth. We allow poverty, we allow our egos to run rampant therefore allowing ourselves to do harm emotionally, physically,etc to others.
We say there is no God, don't seek Him for guidance and direction, take Him out of ECERYTHING, then blame Him cause its all gone to s***.

The question should be: why believe in this ^^ god. A punitive god would be the worst! He could save us all but he's miffed and turns his back. It really takes an odd duck to enjoy the idea of such an authoritarian god.

But God does not turn His back, that is why He sent His Son.
You cannot deny God, then get mad because you do not like,or understand the way He does things.
If you don't believe, leave it alone . Don't be so mad that others do believe. You evidently want prove how your unbelief makes you smarter. It doesn't, it just makes you more arrogant. I am not smarter because I have faith, it does not make me more valuable either.

i Just want to clarify that what I was trying to say was that your determination to prove people of faith are not smart or logical makes you arrogant. I was not saying that your unbelief makes you arrogant.

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Anonymous wrote:Because God is Truth, and I choose to live my life following truth. It's really that simple.

No, it isn't. If you need faith to believe in it then how do you know it is the truth? With faith you could believe in absolutely anything at all.

Here we go again... the old cycling argument...

If you would open your eyes and open your mind, you would know that God is Truth. But you've already decided that you are right and the hundreds of millions of people throughout human history who have had a personal relationship with God -- many through Jesus Christ -- are wrong.

Truth isn't decided by majority voting. Hundreds of millions of people throughout human history also saw women as chattel and believed that slavery is a natural order of things. That they had a personal relationship with God (assuming it was genuine) speaks of nothing but their need to have one. Just as people who believed slavery is a natural order of things needed it to be so to fit their needs.

That is Man's interpretation of Hell. I am a Christian that does not believe in that. I have a more metaphysical understanding. I think Hell is what we have created on earth now. I dont believe God out of fear, i do it becaues He loved me first and His love is perfect. As for why horrible things happen, because we allow it. God breathed into us His Spirit. He is Creation, therefore we have the ability to create. He gave us dominion on Earth. We have have used both our Creative ability and that dominion to create evil and wreak havoc on this earth. We allow poverty, we allow our egos to run rampant therefore allowing ourselves to do harm emotionally, physically,etc to others.
We say there is no God, don't seek Him for guidance and direction, take Him out of ECERYTHING, then blame Him cause its all gone to s***.

The question should be: why believe in this ^^ god. A punitive god would be the worst! He could save us all but he's miffed and turns his back. It really takes an odd duck to enjoy the idea of such an authoritarian god.

But God does not turn His back, that is why He sent His Son.
You cannot deny God, then get mad because you do not like,or understand the way He does things.
If you don't believe, leave it alone . Don't be so mad that others do believe. You evidently want prove how your unbelief makes you smarter. It doesn't, it just makes you more arrogant. I am not smarter because I have faith, it does not make me more valuable either.

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Anonymous wrote:Because God is Truth, and I choose to live my life following truth. It's really that simple.

No, it isn't. If you need faith to believe in it then how do you know it is the truth? With faith you could believe in absolutely anything at all.

Here we go again... the old cycling argument...

If you would open your eyes and open your mind, you would know that God is Truth. But you've already decided that you are right and the hundreds of millions of people throughout human history who have had a personal relationship with God -- many through Jesus Christ -- are wrong.

Truth isn't decided by majority voting. Hundreds of millions of people throughout human history also saw women as chattel and believed that slavery is a natural order of things. That they had a personal relationship with God (assuming it was genuine) speaks of nothing but their need to have one. Just as people who believed slavery is a natural order of things needed it to be so to fit their needs.

That is Man's interpretation of Hell. I am a Christian that does not believe in that. I have a more metaphysical understanding. I think Hell is what we have created on earth now. I dont believe God out of fear, i do it becaues He loved me first and His love is perfect. As for why horrible things happen, because we allow it. God breathed into us His Spirit. He is Creation, therefore we have the ability to create. He gave us dominion on Earth. We have have used both our Creative ability and that dominion to create evil and wreak havoc on this earth. We allow poverty, we allow our egos to run rampant therefore allowing ourselves to do harm emotionally, physically,etc to others.
We say there is no God, don't seek Him for guidance and direction, take Him out of ECERYTHING, then blame Him cause its all gone to s***.

The question should be: why believe in this ^^ god. A punitive god would be the worst! He could save us all but he's miffed and turns his back. It really takes an odd duck to enjoy the idea of such an authoritarian god.

But God does not turn His back, that is why He sent His Son.
You cannot deny God, then get mad because you do not like,or understand the way He does things.
If you don't believe, leave it alone . Don't be so mad that others do believe. You evidently want prove how your unbelief makes you smarter. It doesn't, it just makes you more arrogant. I am not smarter because I have faith, it does not make me more valuable either.

faithful people aren't smarter either and not arrogant. They are simply blessed with the gift of faith. Whenever their faith wavers, it always comes back because of this gift.

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Anonymous wrote:Because God is Truth, and I choose to live my life following truth. It's really that simple.

No, it isn't. If you need faith to believe in it then how do you know it is the truth? With faith you could believe in absolutely anything at all.

Here we go again... the old cycling argument...

If you would open your eyes and open your mind, you would know that God is Truth. But you've already decided that you are right and the hundreds of millions of people throughout human history who have had a personal relationship with God -- many through Jesus Christ -- are wrong.

Truth isn't decided by majority voting. Hundreds of millions of people throughout human history also saw women as chattel and believed that slavery is a natural order of things. That they had a personal relationship with God (assuming it was genuine) speaks of nothing but their need to have one. Just as people who believed slavery is a natural order of things needed it to be so to fit their needs.

That is Man's interpretation of Hell. I am a Christian that does not believe in that. I have a more metaphysical understanding. I think Hell is what we have created on earth now. I dont believe God out of fear, i do it becaues He loved me first and His love is perfect. As for why horrible things happen, because we allow it. God breathed into us His Spirit. He is Creation, therefore we have the ability to create. He gave us dominion on Earth. We have have used both our Creative ability and that dominion to create evil and wreak havoc on this earth. We allow poverty, we allow our egos to run rampant therefore allowing ourselves to do harm emotionally, physically,etc to others.
We say there is no God, don't seek Him for guidance and direction, take Him out of ECERYTHING, then blame Him cause its all gone to s***.

The question should be: why believe in this ^^ god. A punitive god would be the worst! He could save us all but he's miffed and turns his back. It really takes an odd duck to enjoy the idea of such an authoritarian god.

But God does not turn His back, that is why He sent His Son.
You cannot deny God, then get mad because you do not like,or understand the way He does things.
If you don't believe, leave it alone . Don't be so mad that others do believe. You evidently want prove how your unbelief makes you smarter. It doesn't, it just makes you more arrogant. I am not smarter because I have faith, it does not make me more valuable either.

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Anonymous wrote:Because God is Truth, and I choose to live my life following truth. It's really that simple.

No, it isn't. If you need faith to believe in it then how do you know it is the truth? With faith you could believe in absolutely anything at all.

Here we go again... the old cycling argument...

If you would open your eyes and open your mind, you would know that God is Truth. But you've already decided that you are right and the hundreds of millions of people throughout human history who have had a personal relationship with God -- many through Jesus Christ -- are wrong.

Truth isn't decided by majority voting. Hundreds of millions of people throughout human history also saw women as chattel and believed that slavery is a natural order of things. That they had a personal relationship with God (assuming it was genuine) speaks of nothing but their need to have one. Just as people who believed slavery is a natural order of things needed it to be so to fit their needs.

That is Man's interpretation of Hell. I am a Christian that does not believe in that. I have a more metaphysical understanding. I think Hell is what we have created on earth now. I dont believe God out of fear, i do it becaues He loved me first and His love is perfect. As for why horrible things happen, because we allow it. God breathed into us His Spirit. He is Creation, therefore we have the ability to create. He gave us dominion on Earth. We have have used both our Creative ability and that dominion to create evil and wreak havoc on this earth. We allow poverty, we allow our egos to run rampant therefore allowing ourselves to do harm emotionally, physically,etc to others.
We say there is no God, don't seek Him for guidance and direction, take Him out of ECERYTHING, then blame Him cause its all gone to s***.

The question should be: why believe in this ^^ god. A punitive god would be the worst! He could save us all but he's miffed and turns his back. It really takes an odd duck to enjoy the idea of such an authoritarian god.

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OP: Christians deceitfully stole the winter solistice celebrations for the birth of Christ. This proves Christians are devious and making everything up.

PP: Who cares if they co-opted it to make new followers comfortable?

OP: It was deceitful and you know it.

PP: Actually, the solistice was chosen as the day for Jesus's birth for symbolic reasons. Early spring for his death is also symbolic--re-enforces the message the Christ died so that we may live.

OP: That doesn't prove anything about Christ or Christianity is true.

PP: No it doesn't--just providing the reason why Christian liturgy puts Christmas is in December and Easter in Spring. This is part of an academic discussion of how the liturgical calendar reflects symbolism of Christ drawing upon the natural world.

OP: Can't be an academic discussion because it doesn't involve proof of God.

Understand that, in your little mind, it was easy to draw these conclusions but--as you were informed before-- you are arguing with more than one person, so this is kinda bs.

Making crazy grand conclusions comes quite easily to you, doesn't it. You know the conclusory impulse activates reward centers in your brain. It is very similar to what leads easily-influenced people to accept some dogma or "truth" and allows you to bypass the burden of critical thinking.

PP, you're the one who's making it up as you go along.
- 1st PP provided an outline of that: how your claim about "deceit" being involved in the holiday timing was debunked, so you switched up the subject and demanded proof of God.
- your 1st sentence above is a non sequitur that makes zero sense. How does the number of atheists here affect whether or not 1st PP's argument is bs? It doesn't, the number of atheists here is irrelevant. 1st PP is still correct that your claim of deceit has been debunked.
- calling people names doesn't support your argument, it just makes you look nasty.