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Absolutely. But affirmative action should be for people that have disadvantages in life, not just to balance the distribution of races. The AA child of a doctor shouldn't need affirmative action.

Says who? Let me guess, you're not a URM? I think the day when affirmative action isn't merited will be the day when black boys in hoodies aren't shot for carrying skittles. I have kids who are URMs, and they are the kids of extremely well-educated professionals. But yes, I've seen racism happen to them. Even in their schools and every by their teachers. And they're not even 6 yet. And they're only 2 generations removed from complete illiteracy.
I do agree that there ought to be some consideration for socioeconomic background, but schools do actually consider this as well (though I'd argue not nearly enough). You do definitely get a bump from being the first in your family to go to college. But does that mean race doesn't matter? No. Hell no.

I am not an URM either but there is something fundamentally unfair about offering preferences to a minority even while the achievements of a white person - or a person of any other race - who comes from a disadvantaged socio-economic group is not given similar preference. There are substantial challenges faced by such individuals. You want to keep the preference available to you as an URM wyhose kids have socio-economic advantages even as you are somewhat dismissive of the challenges faced by others who are socio-economically disadvantaged.

I have a grandson who is half African-American and he has no disadvantages compared to whites; his parents are part of the 1%, well educated with graduate degrees who attended the best schools in the country. But when he applies to colleges, he will play up his AA background to get an edge. His parents acknowledge that it is unfair but they are not about to relinquish an advantage that is available to their son because of his racial background.

How does one play up their AA background? Please explain. And are you also stating that your grandson is not qualified to attend university?

Another PP here. Yea, it was an odd statement. I wonder how many White people would trade places with an AA if they could...since they have so many advantages and all.

And other races "play up their backgrounds" ALL THE TIME, whether it be legacy status, club or frat membership, etc. So I am guess I am confused as to how it would be wrong for PP's grandson to do it too. There is not a doggne thing shameful about it although the PP is implying that there should be.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are subjected to racism as well. Even worse, Asians must suffer in silence most of the time since Asians lack sufficient political base/power unlike AA/Hispanics. In fact, this lack of political base/power is what is allowing racial discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

And yet they are doing well economically. If 60 percent of cal tech is Asian, they are not underrepresented.

Nor suffering in silence.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are subjected to racism as well. Even worse, Asians must suffer in silence most of the time since Asians lack sufficient political base/power unlike AA/Hispanics. In fact, this lack of political base/power is what is allowing racial discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

I sympathize with some of the problems Asians are experiencing but your comment makes them seem like martyrs which they are not.

As far as lacking power, China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds. Not much lacking of power there. And if there is a lack of political base power, please don't blame that on AA and Hispanics. Stop presenting Asians as this poor, misaligned group of people. They are far from that demeaning image.

The original comment does not make Asians into martyrs. It alleges Asians are victims of racial discrimination in college admissions. I am not sure if China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds but that has nothing to do with a political base/power of Asians and Asian Americans in U.S. In addition, there was no blaming AA and Hispanics for this lack of political base/power. The comment suggested this lack of power is what is allowing the racial discrimination to continue. Finally, it's not demeaning to assert that Asians are discriminated against in college admissions due to their lack of sufficient political power. It is a factual statement not demeaning at all. Is it demeaning to assert that AA are discriminated against in the US in general?

AA did not 'suffer' in silence. They refused to sit in backs of buses, boycotted businesses, had dogs and hoses turned on them, and other despicable things done that resulted in death.

AA had no political power when they rightfully took to the streets for equal rights which they still fight for. Many did end up real martyrs. The fight for AA rights cannot and should not be compared to any experience that Asians are going through right now. There is no comparison physically, mentally, or emotionally. None.

It is true that despicable things were done to AA. Despicable things were done to Asians/Asian Americans, (forcing Chines to take explosives in to holes when building railroads often resulting deaths, confiscating all businesses/homes etc. and putting Japanese Americans into concentration camps, Chinese Exclusion Act etc. etc.) as well. I do not believe it is constructive to try to say which group suffered or which group suffered less.

Also, racial discrimination and despicable acts stand on their own and there is no need to say Asian suffering cannot be compared to AA suffering. In fact, there was no comparison in the first place. The prior comment said Asians are victims of racial discrimination in college admissions. How is that comparing Asian experience to AA?

Racial discrimination is wrong whether one perceives one group's experience to be worse or not. I think it's silly to suggest that Asian Americans cannot even mention they are discriminated against since even mentioning such thing is not allowed. This clearly demonstrates the main point that Asians are so lacking in political power that they cannot even "mention" they are discriminated against without being attacked.

Nobody said Asian Americans couldn't even mention they are discriminated against. You consistently rearrange posters words to turn it into a pity party.

It is you who should be ashamed for perpetuating this untrue, negative image of the poor Asian American who is helpless and powerless. You need to stop it.

Anonymous wrote:Asians are subjected to racism as well. Even worse, Asians must suffer in silence most of the time since Asians lack sufficient political base/power unlike AA/Hispanics. In fact, this lack of political base/power is what is allowing racial discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

And yet they are doing well economically. If 60 percent of cal tech is Asian, they are not underrepresented.

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Absolutely. But affirmative action should be for people that have disadvantages in life, not just to balance the distribution of races. The AA child of a doctor shouldn't need affirmative action.

Says who? Let me guess, you're not a URM? I think the day when affirmative action isn't merited will be the day when black boys in hoodies aren't shot for carrying skittles. I have kids who are URMs, and they are the kids of extremely well-educated professionals. But yes, I've seen racism happen to them. Even in their schools and every by their teachers. And they're not even 6 yet. And they're only 2 generations removed from complete illiteracy.
I do agree that there ought to be some consideration for socioeconomic background, but schools do actually consider this as well (though I'd argue not nearly enough). You do definitely get a bump from being the first in your family to go to college. But does that mean race doesn't matter? No. Hell no.

I am not an URM either but there is something fundamentally unfair about offering preferences to a minority even while the achievements of a white person - or a person of any other race - who comes from a disadvantaged socio-economic group is not given similar preference. There are substantial challenges faced by such individuals. You want to keep the preference available to you as an URM whose kids have socio-economic advantages even as you are somewhat dismissive of the challenges faced by others who are socio-economically disadvantaged.

I have a grandson who is half African-American and he has no disadvantages compared to whites; his parents are part of the 1%, well educated with graduate degrees who attended the best schools in the country. But when he applies to colleges, he will play up his AA background to get an edge. His parents acknowledge that it is unfair but they are not about to relinquish an advantage that is available to their son because of his racial background.

No, you read me wrong. I agree socioeconomics ought to be considered. I jus also think URM should be considered. It's not an either/or.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are subjected to racism as well. Even worse, Asians must suffer in silence most of the time since Asians lack sufficient political base/power unlike AA/Hispanics. In fact, this lack of political base/power is what is allowing racial discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

I sympathize with some of the problems Asians are experiencing but your comment makes them seem like martyrs which they are not.

As far as lacking power, China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds. Not much lacking of power there. And if there is a lack of political base power, please don't blame that on AA and Hispanics. Stop presenting Asians as this poor, misaligned group of people. They are far from that demeaning image.

The original comment does not make Asians into martyrs. It alleges Asians are victims of racial discrimination in college admissions. I am not sure if China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds but that has nothing to do with a political base/power of Asians and Asian Americans in U.S. In addition, there was no blaming AA and Hispanics for this lack of political base/power. The comment suggested this lack of power is what is allowing the racial discrimination to continue. Finally, it's not demeaning to assert that Asians are discriminated against in college admissions due to their lack of sufficient political power. It is a factual statement not demeaning at all. Is it demeaning to assert that AA are discriminated against in the US in general?

AA did not 'suffer' in silence. They refused to sit in backs of buses, boycotted businesses, had dogs and hoses turned on them, and other despicable things done that resulted in death.

AA had no political power when they rightfully took to the streets for equal rights which they still fight for. Many did end up real martyrs. The fight for AA rights cannot and should not be compared to any experience that Asians are going through right now. There is no comparison physically, mentally, or emotionally. None.

It is true that despicable things were done to AA. Despicable things were done to Asians/Asian Americans, (forcing Chinese to take explosives in to holes when building railroads often resulting in deaths, confiscating all businesses/homes/property etc. and putting Japanese Americans into concentration camps, Chinese Exclusion Act etc. etc.) as well. I do not believe it is constructive to try to say which group suffered more or which group suffered less.

Also, racial discrimination and despicable acts stand on their own and there is no need to say Asian suffering cannot be compared to AA suffering. In fact, there was no comparison in the first place. The prior comment said Asians are victims of racial discrimination in college admissions. How is that comparing Asian experience to AA?

Racial discrimination is wrong whether one perceives one group's experience to be worse or not. I think it's silly to suggest that Asian Americans cannot even mention they are discriminated against since even mentioning such thing is not allowed according to the prior post. This clearly demonstrates the main point that Asians are so lacking in political power that they cannot even "mention" they are discriminated against without being attacked.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians are subjected to racism as well. Even worse, Asians must suffer in silence most of the time since Asians lack sufficient political base/power unlike AA/Hispanics. In fact, this lack of political base/power is what is allowing racial discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

I sympathize with some of the problems Asians are experiencing but your comment makes them seem like martyrs which they are not.

As far as lacking power, China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds. Not much lacking of power there. And if there is a lack of political base power, please don't blame that on AA and Hispanics. Stop presenting Asians as this poor, misaligned group of people. They are far from that demeaning image.

The original comment does not make Asians into martyrs. It alleges Asians are victims of racial discrimination in college admissions. I am not sure if China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds but that has nothing to do with a political base/power of Asians and Asian Americans in U.S. In addition, there was no blaming AA and Hispanics for this lack of political base/power. The comment suggested this lack of power is what is allowing the racial discrimination to continue. Finally, it's not demeaning to assert that Asians are discriminated against in college admissions due to their lack of sufficient political power. It is a factual statement not demeaning at all. Is it demeaning to assert that AA are discriminated against in the US in general?

AA did not 'suffer' in silence. They refused to sit in backs of buses, boycotted businesses, had dogs and hoses turned on them, and other despicable things done that resulted in death.

AA had no political power when they rightfully took to the streets for equal rights which they still fight for. Many did end up real martyrs. The fight for AA rights cannot and should not be compared to any experience that Asians are going through right now. There is no comparison physically, mentally, or emotionally. None.

It is true that despicable things were done to AA. Despicable things were done to Asians/Asian Americans, (forcing Chines to take explosives in to holes when building railroads often resulting deaths, confiscating all businesses/homes etc. and putting Japanese Americans into concentration camps, Chinese Exclusion Act etc. etc.) as well. I do not believe it is constructive to try to say which group suffered or which group suffered less.

Also, racial discrimination and despicable acts stand on their own and there is no need to say Asian suffering cannot be compared to AA suffering. In fact, there was no comparison in the first place. The prior comment said Asians are victims of racial discrimination in college admissions. How is that comparing Asian experience to AA?

Racial discrimination is wrong whether one perceives one group's experience to be worse or not. I think it's silly to suggest that Asian Americans cannot even mention they are discriminated against since even mentioning such thing is not allowed. This clearly demonstrates the main point that Asians are so lacking in political power that they cannot even "mention" they are discriminated against without being attacked.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Absolutely. But affirmative action should be for people that have disadvantages in life, not just to balance the distribution of races. The AA child of a doctor shouldn't need affirmative action.

Says who? Let me guess, you're not a URM? I think the day when affirmative action isn't merited will be the day when black boys in hoodies aren't shot for carrying skittles. I have kids who are URMs, and they are the kids of extremely well-educated professionals. But yes, I've seen racism happen to them. Even in their schools and every by their teachers. And they're not even 6 yet. And they're only 2 generations removed from complete illiteracy.
I do agree that there ought to be some consideration for socioeconomic background, but schools do actually consider this as well (though I'd argue not nearly enough). You do definitely get a bump from being the first in your family to go to college. But does that mean race doesn't matter? No. Hell no.

I am not an URM either but there is something fundamentally unfair about offering preferences to a minority even while the achievements of a white person - or a person of any other race - who comes from a disadvantaged socio-economic group is not given similar preference. There are substantial challenges faced by such individuals. You want to keep the preference available to you as an URM wyhose kids have socio-economic advantages even as you are somewhat dismissive of the challenges faced by others who are socio-economically disadvantaged.

I have a grandson who is half African-American and he has no disadvantages compared to whites; his parents are part of the 1%, well educated with graduate degrees who attended the best schools in the country. But when he applies to colleges, he will play up his AA background to get an edge. His parents acknowledge that it is unfair but they are not about to relinquish an advantage that is available to their son because of his racial background.

How does one play up their AA background? Please explain. And are you also stating that your grandson is not qualified to attend university?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians are subjected to racism as well. Even worse, Asians must suffer in silence most of the time since Asians lack sufficient political base/power unlike AA/Hispanics. In fact, this lack of political base/power is what is allowing racial discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

I sympathize with some of the problems Asians are experiencing but your comment makes them seem like martyrs which they are not.

As far as lacking power, China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds. Not much lacking of power there. And if there is a lack of political base power, please don't blame that on AA and Hispanics. Stop presenting Asians as this poor, misaligned group of people. They are far from that demeaning image.

The original comment does not make Asians into martyrs. It alleges Asians are victims of racial discrimination in college admissions. I am not sure if China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds but that has nothing to do with a political base/power of Asians and Asian Americans in U.S. In addition, there was no blaming AA and Hispanics for this lack of political base/power. The comment suggested this lack of power is what is allowing the racial discrimination to continue. Finally, it's not demeaning to assert that Asians are discriminated against in college admissions due to their lack of sufficient political power. It is a factual statement not demeaning at all. Is it demeaning to assert that AA are discriminated against in the US in general?

AA did not 'suffer' in silence. They refused to sit in backs of buses, boycotted businesses, had dogs and hoses turned on them, and other despicable things done that resulted in death.

AA had no political power when they rightfully took to the streets for equal rights which they still fight for. Many did end up real martyrs. The fight for AA rights cannot and should not be compared to any experience that Asians are going through right now. There is no comparison physically, mentally, or emotionally. None.

Anonymous wrote:People with conservative and successful values are discriminated against , but they overcome it because the lazy discriminators are easy to surpass.

Huh?

People with conservative and successful values are discriminated against , but they overcome it because the lazy discriminators are easy to surpass.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians are subjected to racism as well. Even worse, Asians must suffer in silence most of the time since Asians lack sufficient political base/power unlike AA/Hispanics. In fact, this lack of political base/power is what is allowing racial discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

I sympathize with some of the problems Asians are experiencing but your comment makes them seem like martyrs which they are not.

As far as lacking power, China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds. Not much lacking of power there. And if there is a lack of political base power, please don't blame that on AA and Hispanics. Stop presenting Asians as this poor, misaligned group of people. They are far from that demeaning image.

The original comment does not make Asians into martyrs. It alleges Asians are victims of racial discrimination in college admissions. I am not sure if China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds but that has nothing to do with a political base/power of Asians and Asian Americans in U.S. In addition, there was no blaming AA and Hispanics for this lack of political base/power. The comment suggested this lack of power is what is allowing the racial discrimination to continue. Finally, it's not demeaning to assert that Asians are discriminated against in college admissions due to their lack of sufficient political power. It is a factual statement not demeaning at all. Is it demeaning to assert that AA are discriminated against in the US in general?

Anonymous wrote:Asians are subjected to racism as well. Even worse, Asians must suffer in silence most of the time since Asians lack sufficient political base/power unlike AA/Hispanics. In fact, this lack of political base/power is what is allowing racial discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

I sympathize with some of the problems Asians are experiencing but your comment makes them seem like martyrs which they are not.

As far as lacking power, China is the majority holder of U.S. treasury bonds. Not much lacking of power there. And if there is a lack of political base power, please don't blame that on AA and Hispanics. Stop presenting Asians as this poor, misaligned group of people. They are far from that demeaning image.

Asians are subjected to racism as well. Even worse, Asians must suffer in silence most of the time since Asians lack sufficient political base/power unlike AA/Hispanics. In fact, this lack of political base/power is what is allowing racial discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Absolutely. But affirmative action should be for people that have disadvantages in life, not just to balance the distribution of races. The AA child of a doctor shouldn't need affirmative action.

Says who? Let me guess, you're not a URM? I think the day when affirmative action isn't merited will be the day when black boys in hoodies aren't shot for carrying skittles. I have kids who are URMs, and they are the kids of extremely well-educated professionals. But yes, I've seen racism happen to them. Even in their schools and every by their teachers. And they're not even 6 yet. And they're only 2 generations removed from complete illiteracy.
I do agree that there ought to be some consideration for socioeconomic background, but schools do actually consider this as well (though I'd argue not nearly enough). You do definitely get a bump from being the first in your family to go to college. But does that mean race doesn't matter? No. Hell no.

I am not an URM either but there is something fundamentally unfair about offering preferences to a minority even while the achievements of a white person - or a person of any other race - who comes from a disadvantaged socio-economic group is not given similar preference. There are substantial challenges faced by such individuals. You want to keep the preference available to you as an URM whose kids have socio-economic advantages even as you are somewhat dismissive of the challenges faced by others who are socio-economically disadvantaged.

I have a grandson who is half African-American and he has no disadvantages compared to whites; his parents are part of the 1%, well educated with graduate degrees who attended the best schools in the country. But when he applies to colleges, he will play up his AA background to get an edge. His parents acknowledge that it is unfair but they are not about to relinquish an advantage that is available to their son because of his racial background.