One other thing might account for this: An extremely low GBRS coupled with a WISC of 140 based on very high working memory/processing speed scores and verbal/perceptual scores below 120. Does that match your data?

PS, you might consider also that the committee overlooked the WISC score. Dr. Dahlgren told me that she's seen cases where the AART neglects to note on the cover sheet that a WISC is included in the package, and the committee totally misses it. That is why she told me to double check with the AART to make sure the WISC was noted on the cover sheet that goes to the committee. You can see that cover sheet when you ask to see your child's file (and find out the GBRS). It's the only thing that makes sense in your case.

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Anonymous wrote:DC ACCEPTED. 83% FAT, 121 NNAT, GBRS 11, Wisc 120. Mostly 3s, two 4s, and a couple of 2s on report card. Parent referral.

I don't believe this.

I don't believe this either. My DC with NNAT 99% (135), FAT 83%, GBRS 13 didn't get in. I didn't submit WISC though. All 4s in report card with 3s in art.

I *triple* do not believe it. NNAT 142 (99%), FAT 85%, WISC 140 (99.6%), youngest in the class, not in! WTF?

For real? This is so weird. Two years ago when my daughter was in the process, there was an "appeals" thread where people posted their scores, and the main thing that came through was that anyone with a WISC above 130 got in, regardless of the GBRS and anything else. WTF???? Did you find out the GBRS? I would think a WISC of 140 would trump a GBRS of 4! Definitely get a Stanford-Binet and appeal.

Anonymous wrote:What was the GBRS?

Do not know yet, I am getting a copy tomorrow... I am kind of hoping that it is not great, because otherwise I am totally baffled!

ha ha, the color is based on the grade that you're in.

What was the GBRS?

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Anonymous wrote:DC ACCEPTED. 83% FAT, 121 NNAT, GBRS 11, Wisc 120. Mostly 3s, two 4s, and a couple of 2s on report card. Parent referral.

I don't believe this.

I don't believe this either. My DC with NNAT 99% (135), FAT 83%, GBRS 13 didn't get in. I didn't submit WISC though. All 4s in report card with 3s in art.

I *triple* do not believe it. NNAT 142 (99%), FAT 85%, WISC 140 (99.6%), youngest in the class, not in! WTF?

Anonymous wrote:Aap center said the letters are color coded. Blue = kids who made it in based on merit. Yellow = kids who make it in, but were suspected of prepping

Is this suppose to be a joke?
Anwya, received a blue letter - got in. Score: 142(99%) NNAT, FAxT 98% (99% NV, 99% Q, 89% V), GBRS 13, report card mostly 4.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, had great work samples including fourth grade level math (solving multiple step multiplication and division problems) and a very well written essay.

So what? Since when work samples trump everything else?

Since the screening committee became aware of the extent of prepping for the tests, so they place more emphasis on other evidence.

My child's teacher submitted writing samples that showed the ability to think about and formulate ideas in a mature way. One essay had won an essay contest judged by the school's outside business sponsor.

If that's the case, then why the lower GBRS? Or the not-so-perfect report card grades? Why a WISC of 120? If everything else points to an OK (but not stellar) performer, I don't think that any kind of work samples should matter...

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Anonymous wrote:155 NNAT, 99% FAT: DC rejected. Not overly surprised because DC is shy, does not participate in class and report card has 3s and 2s. Also English is not first language.

Insane! Those are such good scores. Do you know the GBRS??? Screening file should have indicated that English was not the first language.

This is what prepping does. Not saying the scores were prepped, but the high scores with lower GBRS indicates prep.

We didn't know about the APP programme until after the test. We came to US 2 years ago from South America. A friend told me to go on this site for information and FAQs. I don't know what GBRS is and I didn't know that our child had to prepare for that. We know our child is very intelligent, learned English fast and very good playing music instruments and chess.

I would appeal and make it clear that your child just learned English over the last couple of years and that English is HER second language, not just that her parents speak a different language. Include the info about chess and musical instruments also. Her scores are really high, especially if no prepping was involved. Also, you don't have to prep for GBRS, that's a score the teacher gives, the prepping reference was regarding the tests.

Thank you for the information. I will seek information on how to appeal. She did not get any preparation for the test but we are happy she did good. Her teacher said that she's too quiet and doesn't interact much with other children. She learn chess and music from grandparent who live with us. Also some friends told us not to bother with this programme, they don't accept much Latinos.

Your daughter's scores are very, very strong on both tests. My son also was not found eligible a few years ago, despite both test scores being in pool. We chose to wait one year, assuming that his GBRS (rating scale filled out by teachers) was his reason for not being admitted. His 3rd grade teacher pushed me to parent refer, and we did. DS started AAP in 4th and is just finishing 5th grade. I worried he would have catching up to do, having missed one year of the advanced curriculum, but he did not struggle at all. I definitely think that personality can influence the GBRS, I think that was definitely the case for my son, though my for inattentiveness and distractedness, despite having very high grades, and all high test scores. We spoke to the AART at our school, who told us that we did not need to spend $$ to get further testing, since our DS had already proved himself with his initial test scores.

My DC had 82% on FAT, with 98% NNAT. Her GBRS was 14 and we submitted quite a few extra things with application, letter of rec, self written story, awards, etc. I am guessing with the marginally good FAT, the 14 GBRS and the extras we submitted we're the key that convinced the committee she would be the type of student who would thrive in AAP.

Also, she is a perfectionist and can "freeze" if she feels she doesn't know how to "do" a problem (told this by her first grade teacher) so to be sure ahe would feel comfortable we reviewed sample questions.

She is an exceptional reader- learned to read very early and is 2 grade levels above in DRA. Her downfall is her organization and tendency toward being off- task and talk in class- but she is the youngest in her class and we feel part of that is age and her maturity. In the end, we believed in her strengths and did all we could to submit a good application.

For those that didn't get accepted- don't give up, do a WISC with dianna dalgren or submit an appeal. Give it all you can- it's worth it because it is for your children. And if it's not approved the second time around, continue to lobby for your child at their base school.

Good luck!

PP here, part of why I posted was to let people know you don't have to obsess over what work samples to submit or feel like you need to have constant contact with the AART or your child's teacher regarding his suitability for AAP. And a below cutoff NNAT can be trumped by a good FAT.

Didn't mean to imply that being curious and involved in your child's performance by requesting the GBRS is badgering. I would have requested the GBRS too but just felt like no matter what the 2nd grade teacher said, I still feel confident in my own opinion of my child. Yes, probably being a bit stubborn on my part.

The schmoozing/badgering reference is to parents who emails/call to the AART or teacher with the express goal of promoting their child beyond what the test scores and class performance is indicating.

I also asked to see GBRS after files were sent to central committee. But that shouldn't affect the decision right? Since by then it was out of our base school and aart's hands?

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nnat 130
FAT was either 96 or 97%, can't remember for sure right now.

GBRS: unknown (how does everyone else know, did you actually request it?)

Report Card: Generally 3's with occasional 4's and maybe a couple of 2's (seeing each 2's stung a bit, child is not a super genius but he is bright/motivated/engaged. But he can also be messy/careless at times and forgetful, so maybe that's why.)

Filled out parent questionnaire and submitted nothing else. Questionnaire responses focused on giving what I considered were thoughtful and specific examples. Did not select highest score for every trait.

Didn't schmooze/badger the AART teacher or child's teacher.

Child is a Summer birthday.

My impression: FAT score probably carried the greatest weight in the evaluation, as it was harder to prep for this year and most objective measure.

Yes, you have ask for GBRS. I asked to see the file after it was submitted. I hope that was not considered "badgering." I found it very useful information about how DC was doing overall - more info that what is on report cards.