Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 09:07     Subject: Re:Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Well, of course conservative do both nights. I never said they didn't. I said Orthodox always do.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 09:04     Subject: Re:Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
I'm not OP but if it's an all Christian seder, that would feel like picking and choosing to get in on the party. However, Jesus did tell the disciples to "do this in remembrance of me", referring to the wine and the bread--but not so much the whole seder thing. It's a gray area. I'd feel it'd be fine if at least a jewish is person presiding.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 09:00     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Many, many Jewish people celebrate the first and second night of Passover -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist. And those that simply get invited to more than one Seder on the first night of Passover may attend more than one Seder. I don't know where you get your information but assuming someone is Orthodox simply because they went to first and second night Seders is Ree-dic-u-lous.


Whatever. I get my info from my formerly of Brooklyn born, 80 year old MIL. Good enough for you? Reform Jews don't do second night. A full Seder with my Long Island inlaws takes 3 hours minimum. The amount of food consumed would stuff an army. By the 4th question everyone is hammered on wine. You have the stomach capacity to do 2 of these in one night? I call bullshit.


AND the tradition calls for you to eat while relaxing and reflecting. Not rushing off to the next Seder. How does a 38 year old go to 70 Seders. What is she, a Passover caterer? This is sanctimonious BS by some poster who thinks she is more pious than others. Look, Christians focus on Jesus in their Seders BECAUSE HE IS THEIR MESSIAH. They're entitled to do that as Jesus was a Jew.


You definitely seem to be for or against SOMETHING. But at this point I have no idea what.



I'm not against anything. I'm not OP. I'm just calling out the silly person who says that because she has been to 70 seders she is the arbiter of authenticity. And she exaggerating because she could never have attended that many. And why say 70? what a bizarre number to lie about just to make your point. And someone asked where I got my info and I answered that. What don't you understand, or do you imagine that you sound clever saying that, because you don't.


Of course it is possible. Many people do two seders, not just one. I am a Conservative Jew -- not Orthodox, we don't even keep kosher -- and we have always done two seders every year. Occasionally more if family couldn't make it in for the traditional first two nights and we held an extra seder whenever the weekend fell in order to accommodate them. Many Reform Jews do the same, or used to when I was growing up. My cousins are Reform and Reconstructionist and they hold two seders.

I am 32 and if you figure I've been to at least two seders every year since I was born, then I've been to 64. So if the "silly person" is 38, she's been to at least 70. Not that the actual numbers matter, particularly, except that I am very sick of matzoh by now! The point is that if you don't know what you are talking about -- and clearly you don't -- then please stop accusing others of lying. The Jews you know may not hold more that one seder, and that is fine, but that doesn't mean that's impossible for others to do so.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:58     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Many, many Jewish people celebrate the first and second night of Passover -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist. And those that simply get invited to more than one Seder on the first night of Passover may attend more than one Seder. I don't know where you get your information but assuming someone is Orthodox simply because they went to first and second night Seders is Ree-dic-u-lous.


Whatever. I get my info from my formerly of Brooklyn born, 80 year old MIL. Good enough for you? Reform Jews don't do second night. A full Seder with my Long Island inlaws takes 3 hours minimum. The amount of food consumed would stuff an army. By the 4th question everyone is hammered on wine. You have the stomach capacity to do 2 of these in one night? I call bullshit.


AND the tradition calls for you to eat while relaxing and reflecting. Not rushing off to the next Seder. How does a 38 year old go to 70 Seders. What is she, a Passover caterer? This is sanctimonious BS by some poster who thinks she is more pious than others. Look, Christians focus on Jesus in their Seders BECAUSE HE IS THEIR MESSIAH. They're entitled to do that as Jesus was a Jew.


You definitely seem to be for or against SOMETHING. But at this point I have no idea what.


I'm not against anything. I'm not OP. I'm just calling out the silly person who says that because she has been to 70 seders she is the arbiter of authenticity. And she exaggerating because she could never have attended that many. And why say 70? what a bizarre number to lie about just to make your point. And someone asked where I got my info and I answered that. What don't you understand, or do you imagine that you sound clever saying that, because you don't.


Actually, I believe you are the one claiming to be the "arbiter of authenticity." Based on your Brooklyn MIL.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:51     Subject: Re:Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Get over yourselves. Jewish Reform=meh, it's enough already, let's eat.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:49     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:Given the standart "War on Christmas" drivel, it's pretty amazing that the resident Christianists are getting their knickers in a twist that someone would find their co-opting of Passover distasteful.


I'm not seeing any responses by Christianists on this thread, just Christians. There is a difference and conflating the two only serves to diminish the utility of the word "Christianist."
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:46     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:
Many, many Jewish people celebrate the first and second night of Passover -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist. And those that simply get invited to more than one Seder on the first night of Passover may attend more than one Seder. I don't know where you get your information but assuming someone is Orthodox simply because they went to first and second night Seders is Ree-dic-u-lous.


Whatever. I get my info from my formerly of Brooklyn born, 80 year old MIL. Good enough for you? Reform Jews don't do second night. A full Seder with my Long Island inlaws takes 3 hours minimum. The amount of food consumed would stuff an army. By the 4th question everyone is hammered on wine. You have the stomach capacity to do 2 of these in one night? I call bullshit.


AND the tradition calls for you to eat while relaxing and reflecting. Not rushing off to the next Seder. How does a 38 year old go to 70 Seders. What is she, a Passover caterer? This is sanctimonious BS by some poster who thinks she is more pious than others. Look, Christians focus on Jesus in their Seders BECAUSE HE IS THEIR MESSIAH. They're entitled to do that as Jesus was a Jew.


You definitely seem to be for or against SOMETHING. But at this point I have no idea what.


I'm not against anything. I'm not OP. I'm just calling out the silly person who says that because she has been to 70 seders she is the arbiter of authenticity. And she exaggerating because she could never have attended that many. And why say 70? what a bizarre number to lie about just to make your point. And someone asked where I got my info and I answered that. What don't you understand, or do you imagine that you sound clever saying that, because you don't.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:40     Subject: Re:Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
^^all that said, a seder without a Jew present and reading the haggadah to a jewish child at the table does feel like you're sitting in the audience of a white rapper concert. Or yeah, Justin Timberlake show Seder!
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:36     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Jewish poster here: I haven't seen the signs the OP is speaking about but it would bother me as well. I do not believe a non-Jew can cook and run a seder as well as a Jewish person can. However, for me, a huge part of Passover is the cultural aspect of it, which probably adds to my first-stated belief. I'm 38. I've been to over 70 seders in my life. It's about family and culture and rituals and religion. To make it about Jesus is preposterous and insulting. Passover is NOT about Jesus. It may have been his last supper, but Passover was not because of or about him. That's why I find it insulting to me, as a Jewish person, for a church to have a seder.

If you are not Jewish and want to learn about Passover, about a seder, then come to my seder. Get yourself invited to a real seder, one run by a Jewish family, in a Jewish home, by someone who's been doing this for decades, who has learned how to run a seder from his and her parents.


So, you're orthodox? and you do first and second night? in which case, why'd you miss 6? and who counts things that way? Who says: i've had 38 Succoths, beat that, goyim! I'm just saying...but good for you, keepin' it kosher er, real and all.



Huh? what about this person in ANY WAY suggests that she is Orthodox??? There is a poster on here who keeps claiming various Jewish posters must be Orthodox...which is totally weird. I hate to break it to you, but very few Orthodox Jewish posters would be spending time on DCUM during PASSOVER, idiot!






OK. The PP said she is 38 years old. Passover comes ONCE A YEAR. Orthodox Jews observe first and second night of Passover. It would be mathematically impossible for her to have attended more than one Seder a year unless she went to 2 in one day. Crazy.


Many, many Jewish people celebrate the first and second night of Passover -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist. And those that simply get invited to more than one Seder on the first night of Passover may attend more than one Seder. I don't know where you get your information but assuming someone is Orthodox simply because they went to first and second night Seders is Ree-dic-u-lous.


Whatever. I get my info from my formerly of Brooklyn born, 80 year old MIL. Good enough for you? Reform Jews don't do second night. A full Seder with my Long Island inlaws takes 3 hours minimum. The amount of food consumed would stuff an army. By the 4th question everyone is hammered on wine. You have the stomach capacity to do 2 of these in one night? I call bullshit.


AND the tradition calls for you to eat while relaxing and reflecting. Not rushing off to the next Seder. How does a 38 year old go to 70 Seders. What is she, a Passover caterer? This is sanctimonious BS by some poster who thinks she is more pious than others. Look, Christians focus on Jesus in their Seders BECAUSE HE IS THEIR MESSIAH. They're entitled to do that as Jesus was a Jew.


You definitely seem to be for or against SOMETHING. But at this point I have no idea what.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:34     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Jewish poster here: I haven't seen the signs the OP is speaking about but it would bother me as well. I do not believe a non-Jew can cook and run a seder as well as a Jewish person can. However, for me, a huge part of Passover is the cultural aspect of it, which probably adds to my first-stated belief. I'm 38. I've been to over 70 seders in my life. It's about family and culture and rituals and religion. To make it about Jesus is preposterous and insulting. Passover is NOT about Jesus. It may have been his last supper, but Passover was not because of or about him. That's why I find it insulting to me, as a Jewish person, for a church to have a seder.

If you are not Jewish and want to learn about Passover, about a seder, then come to my seder. Get yourself invited to a real seder, one run by a Jewish family, in a Jewish home, by someone who's been doing this for decades, who has learned how to run a seder from his and her parents.


So, you're orthodox? and you do first and second night? in which case, why'd you miss 6? and who counts things that way? Who says: i've had 38 Succoths, beat that, goyim! I'm just saying...but good for you, keepin' it kosher er, real and all.



Huh? what about this person in ANY WAY suggests that she is Orthodox??? There is a poster on here who keeps claiming various Jewish posters must be Orthodox...which is totally weird. I hate to break it to you, but very few Orthodox Jewish posters would be spending time on DCUM during PASSOVER, idiot!




OK. The PP said she is 38 years old. Passover comes ONCE A YEAR. Orthodox Jews observe first and second night of Passover. It would be mathematically impossible for her to have attended more than one Seder a year unless she went to 2 in one day. Crazy.


Many, many Jewish people celebrate the first and second night of Passover -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist. And those that simply get invited to more than one Seder on the first night of Passover may attend more than one Seder. I don't know where you get your information but assuming someone is Orthodox simply because they went to first and second night Seders is Ree-dic-u-lous.


Whatever. I get my info from my formerly of Brooklyn born, 80 year old MIL. Good enough for you? Reform Jews don't do second night. A full Seder with my Long Island inlaws takes 3 hours minimum. The amount of food consumed would stuff an army. By the 4th question everyone is hammered on wine. You have the stomach capacity to do 2 of these in one night? I call bullshit.


AND the tradition calls for you to eat while relaxing and reflecting. Not rushing off to the next Seder. How does a 38 year old go to 70 Seders. What is she, a Passover caterer? This is sanctimonious BS by some poster who thinks she is more pious than others. Look, Christians focus on Jesus in their Seders BECAUSE HE IS THEIR MESSIAH. They're entitled to do that as Jesus was a Jew.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:30     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Jewish poster here: I haven't seen the signs the OP is speaking about but it would bother me as well. I do not believe a non-Jew can cook and run a seder as well as a Jewish person can. However, for me, a huge part of Passover is the cultural aspect of it, which probably adds to my first-stated belief. I'm 38. I've been to over 70 seders in my life. It's about family and culture and rituals and religion. To make it about Jesus is preposterous and insulting. Passover is NOT about Jesus. It may have been his last supper, but Passover was not because of or about him. That's why I find it insulting to me, as a Jewish person, for a church to have a seder.

If you are not Jewish and want to learn about Passover, about a seder, then come to my seder. Get yourself invited to a real seder, one run by a Jewish family, in a Jewish home, by someone who's been doing this for decades, who has learned how to run a seder from his and her parents.


So, you're orthodox? and you do first and second night? in which case, why'd you miss 6? and who counts things that way? Who says: i've had 38 Succoths, beat that, goyim! I'm just saying...but good for you, keepin' it kosher er, real and all.



Huh? what about this person in ANY WAY suggests that she is Orthodox??? There is a poster on here who keeps claiming various Jewish posters must be Orthodox...which is totally weird. I hate to break it to you, but very few Orthodox Jewish posters would be spending time on DCUM during PASSOVER, idiot!




OK. The PP said she is 38 years old. Passover comes ONCE A YEAR. Orthodox Jews observe first and second night of Passover. It would be mathematically impossible for her to have attended more than one Seder a year unless she went to 2 in one day. Crazy.


Many, many Jewish people celebrate the first and second night of Passover -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist. And those that simply get invited to more than one Seder on the first night of Passover may attend more than one Seder. I don't know where you get your information but assuming someone is Orthodox simply because they went to first and second night Seders is Ree-dic-u-lous.


Whatever. I get my info from my formerly of Brooklyn born, 80 year old MIL. Good enough for you? Reform Jews don't do second night. A full Seder with my Long Island inlaws takes 3 hours minimum. The amount of food consumed would stuff an army. By the 4th question everyone is hammered on wine. You have the stomach capacity to do 2 of these in one night? I call bullshit.


Actually, there are Reform Jews who do two Seders. That's how I grew up-- Reform with two Seders.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:28     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Jewish poster here: I haven't seen the signs the OP is speaking about but it would bother me as well. I do not believe a non-Jew can cook and run a seder as well as a Jewish person can. However, for me, a huge part of Passover is the cultural aspect of it, which probably adds to my first-stated belief. I'm 38. I've been to over 70 seders in my life. It's about family and culture and rituals and religion. To make it about Jesus is preposterous and insulting. Passover is NOT about Jesus. It may have been his last supper, but Passover was not because of or about him. That's why I find it insulting to me, as a Jewish person, for a church to have a seder.

If you are not Jewish and want to learn about Passover, about a seder, then come to my seder. Get yourself invited to a real seder, one run by a Jewish family, in a Jewish home, by someone who's been doing this for decades, who has learned how to run a seder from his and her parents.


So, you're orthodox? and you do first and second night? in which case, why'd you miss 6? and who counts things that way? Who says: i've had 38 Succoths, beat that, goyim! I'm just saying...but good for you, keepin' it kosher er, real and all.


Huh? what about this person in ANY WAY suggests that she is Orthodox??? There is a poster on here who keeps claiming various Jewish posters must be Orthodox...which is totally weird. I hate to break it to you, but very few Orthodox Jewish posters would be spending time on DCUM during PASSOVER, idiot!



Wow. Idiot huh? There is no prohibition against using technology during Passover. It isn't shabbos.


The first two days and last two days of Passover are days on which no work is permitted, like Shabbat. An observant Jew would not have been on DCUM from sundown on Monday until dark last evening.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:27     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Jewish poster here: I haven't seen the signs the OP is speaking about but it would bother me as well. I do not believe a non-Jew can cook and run a seder as well as a Jewish person can. However, for me, a huge part of Passover is the cultural aspect of it, which probably adds to my first-stated belief. I'm 38. I've been to over 70 seders in my life. It's about family and culture and rituals and religion. To make it about Jesus is preposterous and insulting. Passover is NOT about Jesus. It may have been his last supper, but Passover was not because of or about him. That's why I find it insulting to me, as a Jewish person, for a church to have a seder.

If you are not Jewish and want to learn about Passover, about a seder, then come to my seder. Get yourself invited to a real seder, one run by a Jewish family, in a Jewish home, by someone who's been doing this for decades, who has learned how to run a seder from his and her parents.


So, you're orthodox? and you do first and second night? in which case, why'd you miss 6? and who counts things that way? Who says: i've had 38 Succoths, beat that, goyim! I'm just saying...but good for you, keepin' it kosher er, real and all.



Huh? what about this person in ANY WAY suggests that she is Orthodox??? There is a poster on here who keeps claiming various Jewish posters must be Orthodox...which is totally weird. I hate to break it to you, but very few Orthodox Jewish posters would be spending time on DCUM during PASSOVER, idiot!




OK. The PP said she is 38 years old. Passover comes ONCE A YEAR. Orthodox Jews observe first and second night of Passover. It would be mathematically impossible for her to have attended more than one Seder a year unless she went to 2 in one day. Crazy.


Many, many Jewish people celebrate the first and second night of Passover -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist. And those that simply get invited to more than one Seder on the first night of Passover may attend more than one Seder. I don't know where you get your information but assuming someone is Orthodox simply because they went to first and second night Seders is Ree-dic-u-lous.


Whatever. I get my info from my formerly of Brooklyn born, 80 year old MIL. Good enough for you? Reform Jews don't do second night. A full Seder with my Long Island inlaws takes 3 hours minimum. The amount of food consumed would stuff an army. By the 4th question everyone is hammered on wine. You have the stomach capacity to do 2 of these in one night? I call bullshit.


I think you are a bit ridiculous if this is what you base your opinions on. I will add only that yes, people go to a Seder, stay for the meal and ritual, and then drop by other people's houses where they have been invited. People have in-laws and family obligations they have to satisfy, obviously, just as in any family you want to drop by and see all your relatives, both sides of the family. Whether or not they stuff themselves at every house...please, stop being deliberately obtuse.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:25     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Jewish poster here: I haven't seen the signs the OP is speaking about but it would bother me as well. I do not believe a non-Jew can cook and run a seder as well as a Jewish person can. However, for me, a huge part of Passover is the cultural aspect of it, which probably adds to my first-stated belief. I'm 38. I've been to over 70 seders in my life. It's about family and culture and rituals and religion. To make it about Jesus is preposterous and insulting. Passover is NOT about Jesus. It may have been his last supper, but Passover was not because of or about him. That's why I find it insulting to me, as a Jewish person, for a church to have a seder.

If you are not Jewish and want to learn about Passover, about a seder, then come to my seder. Get yourself invited to a real seder, one run by a Jewish family, in a Jewish home, by someone who's been doing this for decades, who has learned how to run a seder from his and her parents.


So, you're orthodox? and you do first and second night? in which case, why'd you miss 6? and who counts things that way? Who says: i've had 38 Succoths, beat that, goyim! I'm just saying...but good for you, keepin' it kosher er, real and all.



Huh? what about this person in ANY WAY suggests that she is Orthodox??? There is a poster on here who keeps claiming various Jewish posters must be Orthodox...which is totally weird. I hate to break it to you, but very few Orthodox Jewish posters would be spending time on DCUM during PASSOVER, idiot!




OK. The PP said she is 38 years old. Passover comes ONCE A YEAR. Orthodox Jews observe first and second night of Passover. It would be mathematically impossible for her to have attended more than one Seder a year unless she went to 2 in one day. Crazy.


Many, many Jewish people celebrate the first and second night of Passover -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist. And those that simply get invited to more than one Seder on the first night of Passover may attend more than one Seder. I don't know where you get your information but assuming someone is Orthodox simply because they went to first and second night Seders is Ree-dic-u-lous.


Whatever. I get my info from my formerly of Brooklyn born, 80 year old MIL. Good enough for you? Reform Jews don't do second night. A full Seder with my Long Island inlaws takes 3 hours minimum. The amount of food consumed would stuff an army. By the 4th question everyone is hammered on wine. You have the stomach capacity to do 2 of these in one night? I call bullshit.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:24     Subject: Really don't like seeing the signs on Christian churches offering Seders
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jewish poster here: I haven't seen the signs the OP is speaking about but it would bother me as well. I do not believe a non-Jew can cook and run a seder as well as a Jewish person can. However, for me, a huge part of Passover is the cultural aspect of it, which probably adds to my first-stated belief. I'm 38. I've been to over 70 seders in my life. It's about family and culture and rituals and religion. To make it about Jesus is preposterous and insulting. Passover is NOT about Jesus. It may have been his last supper, but Passover was not because of or about him. That's why I find it insulting to me, as a Jewish person, for a church to have a seder.

If you are not Jewish and want to learn about Passover, about a seder, then come to my seder. Get yourself invited to a real seder, one run by a Jewish family, in a Jewish home, by someone who's been doing this for decades, who has learned how to run a seder from his and her parents.


So, you're orthodox? and you do first and second night? in which case, why'd you miss 6? and who counts things that way? Who says: i've had 38 Succoths, beat that, goyim! I'm just saying...but good for you, keepin' it kosher er, real and all.


Huh? what about this person in ANY WAY suggests that she is Orthodox??? There is a poster on here who keeps claiming various Jewish posters must be Orthodox...which is totally weird. I hate to break it to you, but very few Orthodox Jewish posters would be spending time on DCUM during PASSOVER, idiot!



Wow. Idiot huh? There is no prohibition against using technology during Passover. It isn't shabbos.


It has nothing to do with technology. Do you have any idea how time consuming Passover is? You have to not only prepare for eight seders (Orthodox Jews celebrate all eight nights of passover, which means eight ritual meals -- because that's what Passover is, a ritual meal) -- but you have to clean your entire house of any yeast-bearing products, any bread crumbs. This isn't just sitting down for a meal. This is an incredibly time consuming ritual.


You also have to segregate your entire kitchen/house of products that are Kosher for Passover versus Kosher for the rest of the year, and your plates and utensils as well. Being Orthodox/Kosher is not easy. Which is why I doubt/suspect that Orthodox posters would be here during Passover, especially not the first day -- and the poster who thought OP was Orthodox was especially idiotic.