Anonymous
Post 03/19/2011 16:13     Subject: Re:Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
There are a lot more groups (many of whom are religious) than Republican Christians who view homosexuality as a sin. Let's not try to single out conservative Republicans.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2011 16:10     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Anonymous wrote:who said I was anti polygamy, are u?


Well this is a conundrum for you. If you believe that polygamy is a sin, then the Old Testament is obviously wrong. If you believe in polygamy, then you can hardly criticize gay marriage.

Or you could accept that the Old Testament is not a good guide for sexual morality, between the incest, polygamy, and other sexual weirdness done by God's chosen people, largely without any criticism.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2011 00:59     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
who said I was anti polygamy, are u?
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2011 23:27     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just don't call it marriage which has religious meaning to the majority. It is rude.


Bullshit. You as a religious person, can't co-opt the resources of the state for your rituals, then complain because the homosexuals (or the Jews, or the Muslims) are marrying one another in ways that aren't in strict accordance with your beliefs. The principled position for religious folks to take--for those who are offended--is to lobby to get the state out of the business of "marriage". Have the state perform civil unions for everyone, then clergy can "marry" those who get a certificate of civil union.

That won't happen, though, because it assumes good faith on the part of the religious community.
You forgot polygamists.


Like Abraham, Jacob, David or King Solomon? Since you believe the Old Testament is such a good guide for sexual morality, why are you not pro-polygamy? Do you think that Abraham went to hell? Or that King David, of the very line of Jesus also went to hell?
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2011 21:45     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Anonymous wrote:Sodomy is cute.


See, I knew you were getting it. Does you wife know, or are you doing it with her?
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2011 16:01     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Sodomy is cute.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2011 14:11     Subject: Re:Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Anonymous wrote:...
And for those who keep insisting that civil unions are fine but "marriage" = a religious blessing....the laws everywhere on gay marriage (including what MD was suggesting) say that no church is forced to perform these marriages. So that divorces it from being a religious issue.

And the law allows each of us, when we send our card, us to say "Congratulations on you happy union!" Although Scott Walker might choose different language.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2011 13:47     Subject: Re:Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Civil rights aren't up for a vote, or black people would still be slaves in Red State America.


Exactly. Which is why the fact that public opinion is swinging in support of gay marriage is nice to know and see, but it is irrelevant. 90% of people could be against gay marriage and it would still be the case that we should not be violating these people's civil rights by refusing to let them marry.

And for those who keep insisting that civil unions are fine but "marriage" = a religious blessing....the laws everywhere on gay marriage (including what MD was suggesting) say that no church is forced to perform these marriages. So that divorces it from being a religious issue.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2011 16:39     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
57% of Americans are fine with gay couples raising children.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1802/decline-marriage-rise-new-families

Anonymous
Post 03/17/2011 15:51     Subject: Re:Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Anonymous wrote:PP- then everyone's civil ceremony gets to be a "union" and each religion can deal with the issue as it sees fit, but no more state or federal discrimination. Otherwise you have separate but equal, which as we know is neither.


This.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2011 09:10     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Great bit from Eschaton "in which P.Z. Myers explains why Newt Gingrich is moral, and he isn't".

The Republicans support a version of marriage that rests on tradition, authority, and masculine dominance, and everything they do props up one leg of the tripod or the other. Public piety reinforces religious tradition; the insistence that there is one true form of marriage, between a man and a woman, which represents a legal and social commitment is part of the authoritarian impulse; and of course, if a man steps out of the matrimonial bounds, it's an expression of machismo and patriotism and entitlement.

.....

Now look at those dirty rotten hippies, like me. We say the ties between a couple should be made with respect and affection, not the strictures of law and precedent; letting gays marry, for instance, strengthens the public approval of our kinds of bond, while weakening the authoritarian bonds. Our ideal is a community of equals, while theirs is a hierarchy of power, a relic of Old Testament values in which marrying a woman was like buying a camel, a certification of ownership, and nothing must compromise the Big Man's possession of properties.


http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/03/why_i_am_an_amoral_family-hati.php
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2011 09:08     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just trying to explain why the vast majority opposes gay marriage. By all means, continue trying to deodorize sodomy and equating Christ to poseidon, maybe it will work.
No you are not. You just want to talk about anal sex, and that is not what the polls show. Your agenda is hate. You say you hate the sin but you show no love for the person. You bring up AIDS. you assert that all old testament law stands even though you don't follow it. You are a hypocrite, most of all because you claim to know the bible and ignore the basic teachings for which Jesus died on the cross. You are the modern Pharisee.


Worse, PP claims to follow Christ. They're the worshippers of the anti-Christ that the Bible talks about. It's all spelled out in Revelations.


Not sure who you are talking about. But I (the poster who you are responding to) am a lifelong Christian who is straight and married. But I still think you are not heeding Jesus' words. You will be judged by your hate.


I wasn't referring to you, but rather the faux Christian PP who is arguing that the central message of Christianity is that "God Hates Fags."
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2011 01:11     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Anonymous wrote:Sodomites of the world unite!


See, he wants in on it. He's been posting all day and night like this. He gets off on the anal thing a little bit too much. Reminds me of that Dad in American Beauty.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2011 23:28     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Sodomites of the world unite!
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2011 22:28     Subject: Sad about gay marriage bill in MD
Anonymous wrote:It's not all of us, just the nasty guy fixated on anal sex.


Fair enough, although he seems to be everywhere on this thread. I didn't realize it was one person. Sounds like he protests too much....