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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

Unbelievable. Your screed is just another in a long line of empty arguments that will never convince anyone paying attention that history and accountability started on 10/7/2023.

Oct 6 was already the deadliest year for Palestinian *children* in the *West Bank* where these monsters don't have Oct 7 or Hamas to blame for their savagery. I suspect Oct 5, 4, 3, 2022, 2021, 2014 (where these demons gathered to watch Gaza get bombed like it was a sporting event), 1999, 1947... was also very violent for Palestinians. Apparently, none of that can be counted as being the reason Oct 7 happened. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The "liberal" Zionists are far more psychotic than even the conservative ones, because they actually think they don't look insane claiming to believe in human rights or free speech, but then tell themselves it's OK to destroy both, solely on behalf of Isr. They have absolutely no issue w/ students protesting any other country on earth incl America, but don't you dare protest wittle Isr. They tell you it's the "way" they protest. OK, fine...I want to use my 1A to boycott products. No, no, no. We are going to violate your 1A in most of this country solely for Isr. Totally fine if you want to boycott anything else, but you will get fired/not hired if you don't sign this loyalty pledge to that one rape colony.

I've posted the countless videos of everything they admit to having done from its very inception. These losers can't respond w/ anything but "Oct 7." You show them Terrorism was brought to Palestine *by them* they bleat "Oct 7." The Queen herself would not step foot in israel because even she knew their history, but "Oct 7." She viewed every israeli as a terrorist or the son of one. There was no Hamas. Why would there need to be resistance by Palestinians BEFORE Zionists infested the land? You tell them the first synagogue bombed was in Iraq and it was by them to strike fear into the Iraqi Jews who lived well, were in govt and part of the society, they ignore it and bleat "Oct 7." They kidnapped Yemeni Jewish children to give Ashkenazis, Palestinians didn't do that, but... Oct 7.

No one gives a sh*t about Oct 7 or that you still push lies about who actually killed most of them and who is more likely raping w/ impunity, because most learned about every damn day BEFORE Oct 7, and that's why you look like monsters to most of the world, because a deranged person tries to justify everything that has been done post Oct 7 or minimize the savagery, bigotry and racism of Zionism, by pretending every single day of hell for Palestinians prior to that day, never happened and isn't the reason ONE f***ing day in Oct did happen.

Oh, you crawled out of your cave. Slow news day in Tehran or Moscow or wherever you push your propaganda from?

DP- if that's the best you can come up with in response, I guess the pp must be hitting a nerve...

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

I’ll take that long-winded reply as a no.

You can rely on anecdotes about Palestinians but the wholesale dehumanization of the Palestinians no longer moves the needle.

The Israeli state itself is going all-in on apartheid. It has designated the death penalty for only Palestinians.

There’s no excuse for supporting Israel.

And you’re free to not support it.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

I’ll take that long-winded reply as a no.

You can rely on anecdotes about Palestinians but the wholesale dehumanization of the Palestinians no longer moves the needle.

The Israeli state itself is going all-in on apartheid. It has designated the death penalty for only Palestinians.

There’s no excuse for supporting Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

Unbelievable. Your screed is just another in a long line of empty arguments that will never convince anyone paying attention that history and accountability started on 10/7/2023.

Oct 6 was already the deadliest year for Palestinian *children* in the *West Bank* where these monsters don't have Oct 7 or Hamas to blame for their savagery. I suspect Oct 5, 4, 3, 2022, 2021, 2014 (where these demons gathered to watch Gaza get bombed like it was a sporting event), 1999, 1947... was also very violent for Palestinians. Apparently, none of that can be counted as being the reason Oct 7 happened. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The "liberal" Zionists are far more psychotic than even the conservative ones, because they actually think they don't look insane claiming to believe in human rights or free speech, but then tell themselves it's OK to destroy both, solely on behalf of Isr. They have absolutely no issue w/ students protesting any other country on earth incl America, but don't you dare protest wittle Isr. They tell you it's the "way" they protest. OK, fine...I want to use my 1A to boycott products. No, no, no. We are going to violate your 1A in most of this country solely for Isr. Totally fine if you want to boycott anything else, but you will get fired/not hired if you don't sign this loyalty pledge to that one rape colony.

I've posted the countless videos of everything they admit to having done from its very inception. These losers can't respond w/ anything but "Oct 7." You show them Terrorism was brought to Palestine *by them* they bleat "Oct 7." The Queen herself would not step foot in israel because even she knew their history, but "Oct 7." She viewed every israeli as a terrorist or the son of one. There was no Hamas. Why would there need to be resistance by Palestinians BEFORE Zionists infested the land? You tell them the first synagogue bombed was in Iraq and it was by them to strike fear into the Iraqi Jews who lived well, were in govt and part of the society, they ignore it and bleat "Oct 7." They kidnapped Yemeni Jewish children to give Ashkenazis, Palestinians didn't do that, but... Oct 7.

No one gives a sh*t about Oct 7 or that you still push lies about who actually killed most of them and who is more likely raping w/ impunity, because most learned about every damn day BEFORE Oct 7, and that's why you look like monsters to most of the world, because a deranged person tries to justify everything that has been done post Oct 7 or minimize the savagery, bigotry and racism of Zionism, by pretending every single day of hell for Palestinians prior to that day, never happened and isn't the reason ONE f***ing day in Oct did happen.

Oh, you crawled out of your cave. Slow news day in Tehran or Moscow or wherever you push your propaganda from?

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

Unbelievable. Your screed is just another in a long line of empty arguments that will never convince anyone paying attention that history and accountability started on 10/7/2023.

Oct 6 was already the deadliest year for Palestinian *children* in the *West Bank* where these monsters don't have Oct 7 or Hamas to blame for their savagery. I suspect Oct 5, 4, 3, 2022, 2021, 2014 (where these demons gathered to watch Gaza get bombed like it was a sporting event), 1999, 1947... was also very violent for Palestinians. Apparently, none of that can be counted as being the reason Oct 7 happened. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The "liberal" Zionists are far more psychotic than even the conservative ones, because they actually think they don't look insane claiming to believe in human rights or free speech, but then tell themselves it's OK to destroy both, solely on behalf of Isr. They have absolutely no issue w/ students protesting any other country on earth incl America, but don't you dare protest wittle Isr. They tell you it's the "way" they protest. OK, fine...I want to use my 1A to boycott products. No, no, no. We are going to violate your 1A in most of this country solely for Isr. Totally fine if you want to boycott anything else, but you will get fired/not hired if you don't sign this loyalty pledge to that one rape colony.

I've posted the countless videos of everything they admit to having done from its very inception. These losers can't respond w/ anything but "Oct 7." You show them Terrorism was brought to Palestine *by them* they bleat "Oct 7." The Queen herself would not step foot in israel because even she knew their history, but "Oct 7." She viewed every israeli as a terrorist or the son of one. There was no Hamas. Why would there need to be resistance by Palestinians BEFORE Zionists infested the land? You tell them the first synagogue bombed was in Iraq and it was by them to strike fear into the Iraqi Jews who lived well, were in govt and part of the society, they ignore it and bleat "Oct 7." They kidnapped Yemeni Jewish children to give Ashkenazis, Palestinians didn't do that, but... Oct 7.

No one gives a sh*t about Oct 7 or that you still push lies about who actually killed most of them and who is more likely raping w/ impunity, because most learned about every damn day BEFORE Oct 7, and that's why you look like monsters to most of the world, because a deranged person tries to justify everything that has been done post Oct 7 or minimize the savagery, bigotry and racism of Zionism, by pretending every single day of hell for Palestinians prior to that day, never happened and isn't the reason ONE f***ing day in Oct did happen.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

Unbelievable. Your screed is just another in a long line of empty arguments that will never convince anyone paying attention that history and accountability started on 10/7/2023.

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Anonymous wrote:Reports are coming from several different country officials:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/22/gaza-flotilla-activists-allege-sexual-assault-and-in-israeli-detention

The Jewish people I know are some of the kindest people I know with a strong sense of moral clarity. And yet they seem to reflexively protect Israel. When you see stories like this (and many others), it is hard to understand how they are managing the cognitive dissonance. Israel seems like it’s governed by a bunch of thugs.

Agree. American Jews have been at the forefront of civil rights and fighting for the underdog and generally against evil. I feel like this reflexive embrace of Israel makes them lose the moral high ground they have always and justly occupied.

Israel is very important to many of us, just like fighting for the underdog in America is. I don't suppose anyone not Jewish will understand that. I look at the long arc of history and know in my bones that there is one place in the world whose sole purpose is to protect *me.* America? Hardly. It wasn't that long ago that the St. Louis was turned away in the water and Jews were sent to their deaths. And now? Yeah, right, I trust Trump and his jackboot thugs to keep me safe. And with Democrats like Maureen Galindo who want to put "Zionists" in camps, the left is barely better.

Warts and all, Israel was created to enable Jews to survive and flourish and get us back to our roots that reach back thousands of years, despite the haters claiming that tie doesn't exist. (There has been much ancient Hebrew found during archeological digs.) Don't forget that many of us have relatives in Israel. I do. I've been there. I know these people. They, like most of us, want Netanyahu out and peace for everyone. No one enjoys having their lives disrupted the way they have been.

We are waiting for principled leadership in Israel much as most of us are waiting for principled leadership of the U.S. But we will not abandon our ancestral homeland and its people to score political points--not happening.

That's fine and very understandable. However, so far the US has spent about $300 Billion supporting Israel. And the Israel of today is not the Israel of yore. Netanyahu and his government of ultra-orthodox thugs just killed 85,000 mostly innocent people in Gaza, invaded Lebanon and sent another 1 million people fleeing for their lives, sent 700,000 religious zealots in to the West Bank to take more land and terrorize people, and launched a major with the Iran, which has caused chaos and the US to expend an enormous percentage of its most advanced munitions. We literally just used half of all our THAAD interceptors - what we use to defend against a nuclear attack - to protect Israel while not being able to protect our own bases in the Gulf.

You have to ask, why is the US spending such an enormous amount of money and resources to fight for a tiny but extremely belligerent country of no strategic relevance to the US? It's not 1948 anymore. There is no justification for this in 2026. And that's not a left or right issue. Pretty much everyone under 50 thinks the massive amount of money and military resources we spend on Israel is nuts.

PP: Israel actually is of very important strategic relevance to us. That you don't understand that undercuts other claims you made, many of which are false or exaggerated.

Can you explain its strategic relevance? Other than in protecting itself?

Sure, assuming these questions are being asked in good faith. It's a regional bulwark against terror. It has insane military and intelligence capabilities that have enabled us to thwart threats. Its Mossad is unparalleled. I'm very, very thankful we have it.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

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Anonymous wrote:Reports are coming from several different country officials:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/22/gaza-flotilla-activists-allege-sexual-assault-and-in-israeli-detention

The Jewish people I know are some of the kindest people I know with a strong sense of moral clarity. And yet they seem to reflexively protect Israel. When you see stories like this (and many others), it is hard to understand how they are managing the cognitive dissonance. Israel seems like it’s governed by a bunch of thugs.

Agree. American Jews have been at the forefront of civil rights and fighting for the underdog and generally against evil. I feel like this reflexive embrace of Israel makes them lose the moral high ground they have always and justly occupied.

Israel is very important to many of us, just like fighting for the underdog in America is. I don't suppose anyone not Jewish will understand that. I look at the long arc of history and know in my bones that there is one place in the world whose sole purpose is to protect *me.* America? Hardly. It wasn't that long ago that the St. Louis was turned away in the water and Jews were sent to their deaths. And now? Yeah, right, I trust Trump and his jackboot thugs to keep me safe. And with Democrats like Maureen Galindo who want to put "Zionists" in camps, the left is barely better.

Warts and all, Israel was created to enable Jews to survive and flourish and get us back to our roots that reach back thousands of years, despite the haters claiming that tie doesn't exist. (There has been much ancient Hebrew found during archeological digs.) Don't forget that many of us have relatives in Israel. I do. I've been there. I know these people. They, like most of us, want Netanyahu out and peace for everyone. No one enjoys having their lives disrupted the way they have been.

We are waiting for principled leadership in Israel much as most of us are waiting for principled leadership of the U.S. But we will not abandon our ancestral homeland and its people to score political points--not happening.

That's fine and very understandable. However, so far the US has spent about $300 Billion supporting Israel. And the Israel of today is not the Israel of yore. Netanyahu and his government of ultra-orthodox thugs just killed 85,000 mostly innocent people in Gaza, invaded Lebanon and sent another 1 million people fleeing for their lives, sent 700,000 religious zealots in to the West Bank to take more land and terrorize people, and launched a major with the Iran, which has caused chaos and the US to expend an enormous percentage of its most advanced munitions. We literally just used half of all our THAAD interceptors - what we use to defend against a nuclear attack - to protect Israel while not being able to protect our own bases in the Gulf.

You have to ask, why is the US spending such an enormous amount of money and resources to fight for a tiny but extremely belligerent country of no strategic relevance to the US? It's not 1948 anymore. There is no justification for this in 2026. And that's not a left or right issue. Pretty much everyone under 50 thinks the massive amount of money and military resources we spend on Israel is nuts.

PP: Israel actually is of very important strategic relevance to us. That you don't understand that undercuts other claims you made, many of which are false or exaggerated.

Can you explain its strategic relevance? Other than in protecting itself?

Sure, assuming these questions are being asked in good faith. It's a regional bulwark against terror. It has insane military and intelligence capabilities that have enabled us to thwart threats. Its Mossad is unparalleled. I'm very, very thankful we have it.

Yeah. I think this is all nonsense. Israel was not even able to stop a bunch of people flying in with kites. I don’t think it has thwarted any threats to the US and I think the terror threats to the US from the region have been wildly overblown. What is the use of our bases there if Israel is so useful? I think Israel’s entire reputation as an ally is propaganda.

Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

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Anonymous wrote:Reports are coming from several different country officials:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/22/gaza-flotilla-activists-allege-sexual-assault-and-in-israeli-detention

The Jewish people I know are some of the kindest people I know with a strong sense of moral clarity. And yet they seem to reflexively protect Israel. When you see stories like this (and many others), it is hard to understand how they are managing the cognitive dissonance. Israel seems like it’s governed by a bunch of thugs.

Agree. American Jews have been at the forefront of civil rights and fighting for the underdog and generally against evil. I feel like this reflexive embrace of Israel makes them lose the moral high ground they have always and justly occupied.

Israel is very important to many of us, just like fighting for the underdog in America is. I don't suppose anyone not Jewish will understand that. I look at the long arc of history and know in my bones that there is one place in the world whose sole purpose is to protect *me.* America? Hardly. It wasn't that long ago that the St. Louis was turned away in the water and Jews were sent to their deaths. And now? Yeah, right, I trust Trump and his jackboot thugs to keep me safe. And with Democrats like Maureen Galindo who want to put "Zionists" in camps, the left is barely better.

Warts and all, Israel was created to enable Jews to survive and flourish and get us back to our roots that reach back thousands of years, despite the haters claiming that tie doesn't exist. (There has been much ancient Hebrew found during archeological digs.) Don't forget that many of us have relatives in Israel. I do. I've been there. I know these people. They, like most of us, want Netanyahu out and peace for everyone. No one enjoys having their lives disrupted the way they have been.

We are waiting for principled leadership in Israel much as most of us are waiting for principled leadership of the U.S. But we will not abandon our ancestral homeland and its people to score political points--not happening.

You are going to have to eventually recognize the truth, pp:

Israel cannot exist as a “Jewish” state unless it continues to engage in apartheid and genocide. In the end that is what this is all about.

PP: What do you think will happen to Jewish Israelis if Israel is no longer Jewish? That's right--they'll be overwhelmed by terrorists who will make October 7 look like child's play.

I think this is a bizarre response. Are you actually aware of what Jewish settlers are doing to Palestinians on a regular basis, day in and day out? Who are the “terrorists” here? Why is it ok for Palestinians to be treated this way and not Jewish Israelis? Why aren’t we saying that Palestinians are being overwhelmed by terrorist settlers? If you have chosen to live in an apartheid society, you’ve chosen a path of revenge and bloodshed. They are going to have to find a way out that does not involve more death.

Of course I'm aware. It's horrible and needs to stop. That doesn't mean I don't support Israel as a country or its people (not the settlers, but everyone else).

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Anonymous wrote:Reports are coming from several different country officials:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/22/gaza-flotilla-activists-allege-sexual-assault-and-in-israeli-detention

The Jewish people I know are some of the kindest people I know with a strong sense of moral clarity. And yet they seem to reflexively protect Israel. When you see stories like this (and many others), it is hard to understand how they are managing the cognitive dissonance. Israel seems like it’s governed by a bunch of thugs.

Agree. American Jews have been at the forefront of civil rights and fighting for the underdog and generally against evil. I feel like this reflexive embrace of Israel makes them lose the moral high ground they have always and justly occupied.

Israel is very important to many of us, just like fighting for the underdog in America is. I don't suppose anyone not Jewish will understand that. I look at the long arc of history and know in my bones that there is one place in the world whose sole purpose is to protect *me.* America? Hardly. It wasn't that long ago that the St. Louis was turned away in the water and Jews were sent to their deaths. And now? Yeah, right, I trust Trump and his jackboot thugs to keep me safe. And with Democrats like Maureen Galindo who want to put "Zionists" in camps, the left is barely better.

Warts and all, Israel was created to enable Jews to survive and flourish and get us back to our roots that reach back thousands of years, despite the haters claiming that tie doesn't exist. (There has been much ancient Hebrew found during archeological digs.) Don't forget that many of us have relatives in Israel. I do. I've been there. I know these people. They, like most of us, want Netanyahu out and peace for everyone. No one enjoys having their lives disrupted the way they have been.

We are waiting for principled leadership in Israel much as most of us are waiting for principled leadership of the U.S. But we will not abandon our ancestral homeland and its people to score political points--not happening.

That's fine and very understandable. However, so far the US has spent about $300 Billion supporting Israel. And the Israel of today is not the Israel of yore. Netanyahu and his government of ultra-orthodox thugs just killed 85,000 mostly innocent people in Gaza, invaded Lebanon and sent another 1 million people fleeing for their lives, sent 700,000 religious zealots in to the West Bank to take more land and terrorize people, and launched a major with the Iran, which has caused chaos and the US to expend an enormous percentage of its most advanced munitions. We literally just used half of all our THAAD interceptors - what we use to defend against a nuclear attack - to protect Israel while not being able to protect our own bases in the Gulf.

You have to ask, why is the US spending such an enormous amount of money and resources to fight for a tiny but extremely belligerent country of no strategic relevance to the US? It's not 1948 anymore. There is no justification for this in 2026. And that's not a left or right issue. Pretty much everyone under 50 thinks the massive amount of money and military resources we spend on Israel is nuts.

PP: Israel actually is of very important strategic relevance to us. That you don't understand that undercuts other claims you made, many of which are false or exaggerated.

Can you explain its strategic relevance? Other than in protecting itself?

Sure, assuming these questions are being asked in good faith. It's a regional bulwark against terror. It has insane military and intelligence capabilities that have enabled us to thwart threats. Its Mossad is unparalleled. I'm very, very thankful we have it.