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Anonymous wrote:I feel like Emma’s sister is getting too much heat. She was standing up for Emma. Mike was pressuring her throughout the pods (if I were Mike, Emma would be a huge red flag and vice versa). Even though I don’t say it in public, I feel similarly to Emma’s sister. Not every mom enjoys motherhood. Some of us have kids with special needs and cannot catch a break.

It's actually so so common! I've heard many parents say the same thing. Being honest about parenthood shouldn't be so controversial, especially when discussing it with someone on the fence.

In private, sure, on a message board, to friends...That's totally fine, but not on tv for your kids to watch. I think smart people are those like some family members in various reality shows who refuse to come and be on, like Bri's dad, Amber's ex...There is no upside to going on and being judged by strangers, or making hurtful comments like this one by accident or through shady editing by producers.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like Emma’s sister is getting too much heat. She was standing up for Emma. Mike was pressuring her throughout the pods (if I were Mike, Emma would be a huge red flag and vice versa). Even though I don’t say it in public, I feel similarly to Emma’s sister. Not every mom enjoys motherhood. Some of us have kids with special needs and cannot catch a break.

It's actually so so common! I've heard many parents say the same thing. Being honest about parenthood shouldn't be so controversial, especially when discussing it with someone on the fence.

Anonymous wrote:I feel like Emma’s sister is getting too much heat. She was standing up for Emma. Mike was pressuring her throughout the pods (if I were Mike, Emma would be a huge red flag and vice versa). Even though I don’t say it in public, I feel similarly to Emma’s sister. Not every mom enjoys motherhood. Some of us have kids with special needs and cannot catch a break.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about Emma’s sister who has kids and claims to love that she has kids but then says if she got to the end of life and had the chance to do it all over she would not have the kids?
Uummmmm. Girl. It’s one thing to say that to your therapist or even in a private confessional moment to your close girlfriends, but this was on TV! Those children you have are actual people who are going to see this one day.
Keep those inside thoughts INSIDE.

One of the most damaging things to a person’s self worth is feeling that you are unwanted and unloved by your own mother. She may think that that isn’t what she was expressing, but her kids won’t see it that way. And it’s such a painfully unnecessary thing to say to the world for your kids to hear. Just makes me sad for their future selves.

I think a lot of people feel that way. It's also really easy to say AFTER you have kids, because the implication would be that you get to do life "both ways". I don't think it's that bad of a comment. Parents always brag about getting to experience both CF life (before kids) and parent life (after kids). Admitting and acknowledging that parenting is hard is admirable, not shameful imo. And it IS hard! CF life, living for yourself is objectively much easier.

But still, very strange to say it that way in her 2 minutes on national TV. It's not like we got to see her and know the complexities she's dealing with.

It was a nuanced statement, and she was trying to support her sister. I have zero problem with it.

That wasn’t nuance.
That was “omg I can’t stand this life I
chose. Parenting is hard and if I had known it was this hard I would never have done it—and want a do-over….but I live my kids though”
No nuance in that.
Just heartbreak sh|t you can’t take back.

Agree, Emma’s sister really rubbed me the wrong way as well. It felt like she came in specifically with an agenda to take a controversial stance and it was extremely off putting.

Yes of course parenting young children can be tough and if she were a main character cast in in an extended reality show about being in the trenches as a young parent it would be more natural for some of those sentiments of doubt/regret to occasionally surface and for the audience to sympathize.

However as a briefly appearing supporting family member on the show, to devote 90% of her “30 seconds of fame” to complaining about the woes of being a mother and her regrets for making the choice to do so (all of which obviously will eventually be viewed by her own children) seems a poor choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about Emma’s sister who has kids and claims to love that she has kids but then says if she got to the end of life and had the chance to do it all over she would not have the kids?
Uummmmm. Girl. It’s one thing to say that to your therapist or even in a private confessional moment to your close girlfriends, but this was on TV! Those children you have are actual people who are going to see this one day.
Keep those inside thoughts INSIDE.

One of the most damaging things to a person’s self worth is feeling that you are unwanted and unloved by your own mother. She may think that that isn’t what she was expressing, but her kids won’t see it that way. And it’s such a painfully unnecessary thing to say to the world for your kids to hear. Just makes me sad for their future selves.

I think a lot of people feel that way. It's also really easy to say AFTER you have kids, because the implication would be that you get to do life "both ways". I don't think it's that bad of a comment. Parents always brag about getting to experience both CF life (before kids) and parent life (after kids). Admitting and acknowledging that parenting is hard is admirable, not shameful imo. And it IS hard! CF life, living for yourself is objectively much easier.

But still, very strange to say it that way in her 2 minutes on national TV. It's not like we got to see her and know the complexities she's dealing with.

It was a nuanced statement, and she was trying to support her sister. I have zero problem with it.

That wasn’t nuance.
That was “omg I can’t stand this life I
chose. Parenting is hard and if I had known it was this hard I would never have done it—and want a do-over….but I live my kids though”
No nuance in that.
Just heartbreak sh|t you can’t take back.

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Anonymous wrote:Chris is just so terrible and disgusting. I predict he won’t go to the reunion b/c he comes across so irredeemable in this show. Unless he thinks coming with a [calculated] mea culpa will help his reputation, he ain’t coming. He is manipulative so maybe he thinks he can manage to look contrite. He’s the worst.

OMG!!! He tried to seduce a woman who was in a loving relationship with, “we could have been f&ck buddies.”

And the fact that he would take her to an expensive hotel. Is he used to impressing prostitutes??

She was completely into it right up until he said “f*** buddies”
Her face changed instantly from feeling flattered and turned on to feeling insulted.

Connor is too good for both of them

I don't know what episode you were watching. She was physically cringing away from him when he said he could have turned it up in the pods and won her over. There was a nervous laugh at one point but she was *not* completely into it.

Watch it back again.
She was not cringing. She was sailing “yeah” and “I know” waaaaay too much for a girl who claimed that she thought what he was saying was inappropriate .
She stayed to listen to his smarmy pitch way too long. And it was only after he said the phrase “f$&# buddies” that she physically recoiled.

Anonymous wrote:In the long run, Connor is better off without Bri. She is condescending and immature. Connor is actually quietly confident and stable. Nothing like Chris who is insecure and immature.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about Emma’s sister who has kids and claims to love that she has kids but then says if she got to the end of life and had the chance to do it all over she would not have the kids?
Uummmmm. Girl. It’s one thing to say that to your therapist or even in a private confessional moment to your close girlfriends, but this was on TV! Those children you have are actual people who are going to see this one day.
Keep those inside thoughts INSIDE.

One of the most damaging things to a person’s self worth is feeling that you are unwanted and unloved by your own mother. She may think that that isn’t what she was expressing, but her kids won’t see it that way. And it’s such a painfully unnecessary thing to say to the world for your kids to hear. Just makes me sad for their future selves.

I think a lot of people feel that way. It's also really easy to say AFTER you have kids, because the implication would be that you get to do life "both ways". I don't think it's that bad of a comment. Parents always brag about getting to experience both CF life (before kids) and parent life (after kids). Admitting and acknowledging that parenting is hard is admirable, not shameful imo. And it IS hard! CF life, living for yourself is objectively much easier.

But still, very strange to say it that way in her 2 minutes on national TV. It's not like we got to see her and know the complexities she's dealing with.

It was a nuanced statement, and she was trying to support her sister. I have zero problem with it.

That wasn’t nuance.
That was “omg I can’t stand this life I
chose. Parenting is hard and if I had known it was this hard I would never have done it—and want a do-over….but I live my kids though”
No nuance in that.
Just heartbreak sh|t you can’t take back.

Agree, Emma’s sister really rubbed me the wrong way as well. It felt like she came in specifically with an agenda to take a controversial stance and it was extremely off putting.

Yes of course parenting young children can be tough and if she were a main character cast in in an extended reality show about being in the trenches as a young parent it would be more natural for some of those sentiments of doubt/regret to occasionally surface and for the audience to sympathize.

However as a briefly appearing supporting family member on the show, to devote 90% of her “30 seconds of fame” to complaining about the woes of being a mother and her regrets for making the choice to do so (all of which obviously will eventually be viewed by her own children) seems a poor choice.

Anonymous wrote:I feel like Emma’s sister is getting too much heat. She was standing up for Emma. Mike was pressuring her throughout the pods (if I were Mike, Emma would be a huge red flag and vice versa). Even though I don’t say it in public, I feel similarly to Emma’s sister. Not every mom enjoys motherhood. Some of us have kids with special needs and cannot catch a break.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about Emma’s sister who has kids and claims to love that she has kids but then says if she got to the end of life and had the chance to do it all over she would not have the kids?
Uummmmm. Girl. It’s one thing to say that to your therapist or even in a private confessional moment to your close girlfriends, but this was on TV! Those children you have are actual people who are going to see this one day.
Keep those inside thoughts INSIDE.

One of the most damaging things to a person’s self worth is feeling that you are unwanted and unloved by your own mother. She may think that that isn’t what she was expressing, but her kids won’t see it that way. And it’s such a painfully unnecessary thing to say to the world for your kids to hear. Just makes me sad for their future selves.

I think a lot of people feel that way. It's also really easy to say AFTER you have kids, because the implication would be that you get to do life "both ways". I don't think it's that bad of a comment. Parents always brag about getting to experience both CF life (before kids) and parent life (after kids). Admitting and acknowledging that parenting is hard is admirable, not shameful imo. And it IS hard! CF life, living for yourself is objectively much easier.

But still, very strange to say it that way in her 2 minutes on national TV. It's not like we got to see her and know the complexities she's dealing with.

It was a nuanced statement, and she was trying to support her sister. I have zero problem with it.

That wasn’t nuance.
That was “omg I can’t stand this life I
chose. Parenting is hard and if I had known it was this hard I would never have done it—and want a do-over….but I live my kids though”
No nuance in that.
Just heartbreak sh|t you can’t take back.

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Anonymous wrote:Chris is just so terrible and disgusting. I predict he won’t go to the reunion b/c he comes across so irredeemable in this show. Unless he thinks coming with a [calculated] mea culpa will help his reputation, he ain’t coming. He is manipulative so maybe he thinks he can manage to look contrite. He’s the worst.

OMG!!! He tried to seduce a woman who was in a loving relationship with, “we could have been f&ck buddies.”

And the fact that he would take her to an expensive hotel. Is he used to impressing prostitutes??

She was completely into it right up until he said “f*** buddies”
Her face changed instantly from feeling flattered and turned on to feeling insulted.

Connor is too good for both of them

I don't know what episode you were watching. She was physically cringing away from him when he said he could have turned it up in the pods and won her over. There was a nervous laugh at one point but she was *not* completely into it.

Watch it back again.
She was not cringing. She was sailing “yeah” and “I know” waaaaay too much for a girl who claimed that she thought what he was saying was inappropriate .
She stayed to listen to his smarmy pitch way too long. And it was only after he said the phrase “f$&# buddies” that she physically recoiled.

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Anonymous wrote:About Bri and Connor. I thought she was very honest. Too honest, maybe, but I don't think it's crazy to want to be with a man who lives like a grownup and has ambitions. He's a really good guy, but that doesn't mean they're compatible. My hope with them is that they continue to date, and he makes a modest effort to level up and she makes a modest effort to "level down." I wouldn't rule out their meeting in the middle and finding a way to make it work. But the disparities are too big right now to go to the altar. Maybe too big, period, but time will tell.

Objectively speaking, Connor dresses well, takes good care of himself, he has a FT good job and he owns a house. She is not doing better than him as their salaries are in the same ballpark, and she does not look better than him but she thinks she is better than him. And like most single women v. most single men, she cares more about decorating her house and about fashion.

So I think her put down was not actually "honest". It was cruel, twisted and just poor awareness of what a good man actually is. What she wants is the fake rich, big baller, all-talk superficial persona of the crypto bro "alpha" male type. Look at a guy like Chris: sure, his place looks nice. He is tens of thousands of dollars in debt and stays at the Four Seasons on credit. Ultimately it's her loss.