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Anonymous wrote:If MAGAs are the majority of SNAP and they voted against it, then it should be cut.

Honestly, this might have to be the thing to do. Blue states will come in to rescue their people. Let the red state MAGAs learn some valuable lessons about the their voting history. Same with their insurance premiums.

The D’s can only try to save people from themselves for so long.

Giving people handouts is not saving people from themselves. We as Democrats should be putting community farms around neighborhoods, planting fruit trees in public parks, bringing back home ec, teaching children in schools how to plant a garden, teaching them how to cook, so the next generation isn’t as dependent on a failing system. Giving them money to buy ultra processed garbage food isn’t saving them from anything.

Why do you assume everyone is living off of ultra processed garbage? Yes, people living on couches or SRO rooms probably are. Hard to make your own organic wheat bread when you only have a microwave and hot plate and work 60 hours on your feet every week. But many people buy whole or minimally processed ingredients to make their meals, or buy ultra processed when it is in fact cheaper on a macro basis (see hot dogs versus steak, for example).

I agree we could do more to teach people how to garden, but not all soils are suitable for growing things, particularly in urban areas that were built up in the asbestos/lead based paint/PCBs everywhere era. It’s quite an upfront investment to build and fill raised planters or containers, and the results are far from guaranteed. Buying greenhouse grown may very well be the more economical choice.

Go spend 5 minutes on TikTok and you’ll find countless videos of people showing their EBT shopping hauls and people in grocery stores showing what happens to carts of food when people can’t pay. It’s almost all ultra processed garbage. They should really be limited to fruit, veg, meat, dairy, and pantry staples like flour and cornstarch. I don’t need to buy anyone 25 frozen pizzas and 5 bags of Doritos just to pay for those healthcare bills in 10 years.

You are a first class douche. Cheap food keeps people fed.

All the things you list are VERY expensive now and you need a full kitchen and the utensils and spices to cook with them.

Go crawl back under your rock.

Disagree. Low income people and kids have the highest rate of obesity.
More snap dollars are spent on soda than anything else. People are lazy and don’t want to cook- not just poor people, most people. Many poor people in other countries manage to live on rice and beans, simple foods. American poor people live on frozen pizzas and Doritos

Do you have a link to this fact that more snap dollars are spent on soda than anything else?

While the total dollar amount varies, research indicates that SNAP households spend about 5% of their food budget on soda, with one study finding sugar-sweetened beverages made up 9.3% of all SNAP expenditures. This means that in a given period, billions of dollars in SNAP benefits are spent on sodas and other sugary drinks

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Anonymous wrote:Doritos at Safeway are like $7 each not on sale you you know...

I'm think fresh food is $$$ and anyone who suggests it isn't us 1. Out of touch 2. Lying or 3. Shopping at a really gross store!

No, it isn’t. At Walmart you can get a 30-serving container of oatmeal for $4, $2.93/gallon milk, an 8 lb (yes, 8lbs) bag of pinto beans for $6.88, 18 eggs for $3, 5 lbs apples for $6, $0.50/canned vegetables. But people are lazy and prefer to get quick junk

People who have worked 10 hours a day are lazy yeah. You are a jerk.

Anonymous wrote:I think people get the prepackaged stuff for a variety of reasons as others have already stated, but I do think some people get the junk food as a vice. It’s not shocking, being poor sucks.

When I was young, we walked to school in six feet of snow and fought off grizzly bears with our loose-leaf notebooks. We walked uphill, both ways. And we were glad.

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Anonymous wrote:In Asian and African countries, low income people cook from scratch and the meals are simple and mostly healthy, they simply can't afford processed or pre packaged food. You will be hard pressed to find a low income Asian who is overweight or obese, They do however have the cooking skills thanks to their parents or extended family. I have always wondered (not in a judgmental way) why poor Americans don't have basic cooking skills when they are the ones who stand to benefit the most from such skills.

Yes, I have seen the aforementioned EBT grocery hauls on TikTok, all the women have functioning kitchens, it seems for a lot of people buying processed and pre packaged food is a choice.

It doesn't take a lot of expense to cook fresh beans, rice with a small salad or some roasted vegetables. Lots of vegetables are not expensive. Pasta cooked in olive oil with come sausages, garlic + bell pepper is a $10 meal for the family. Good oil can be bought in bulk on EBT. Two packets of linguine 99c each at Trader Joe's, chicken sausage $4.99, 1 head of garlic @ 30c, 2 bell peppers for $1.50 and oil + seasonings bought in bulk which can last months.

These are not accurate grocery prices, at least not in any metro area. Also, again you ignore the lack time, space, and cooking skills cooking from scratch requires. Often, poor kids are home alone feeding themselves, while their parent(s) is at job #2 or even 3. They buy them things they can easily microwave, with low risk of burning the house down.

People managed to feed themselves, even kids, before microwaves.

We aren't talking about before. We're talking about now, the world as it actually is.

And today, kids are capable of making themselves something to eat too. You think kids would starve if there were no more pizza rolls and ramen noodle cups?

Have you ever met a kid? If there's nothing but uncooked rice and dry beans in the house, they're more likely to just not eat, even if they theoreticallyknow how to cook them. Stop playing dumb and being cruel.

The parent can cook the food and leave leftovers already prepped on the table for them and they still won’t eat, or say they want junk food instead.

Junk food is like the first drug to kids

You think people working multiple jobs, single parents, caretakers of the elderly, have time to do from-scratch meal planning and prep?

I meal plan and prep and cook my meals from scratch. I buy my food in bulk. It saves a ton of money and time, but it took investments of time and money of front to be able to do this. I've been poor and my diet was very different, and I know that the economics are very different when you are short on time, space, energy, and cash. There's a reason they say it's expensive to be poor.

People will find time for what they consider a priority, unfortunately, my experience has been that majority of them don’t want to cook. I completely understand the shortage of time argument but people all over the world find time to cook because pre packaged is not an option.

You're out of touch and condescending. There isn't much to be done when the time to do something literally does not exist. We aren't talking about people all over the world. We're talking about people in the US, working often multiple jobs, going to school, being disabled, relying on public transportation, etc. All the various reasons someone would be on food stamps, many of which also mean they have limited free time.

And you have the nerve to stick your nose in the air to judge them for what they aren't doing with imaginary time they don't have.

People in rest of the world also have multiple jobs, family commitments, time constraints and less money and no resources. Admit it that lots of people in America don't want to learn basic cooking and nutrition. Of course these arguments don't apply to disabled folks, but able bodied adults should be able to cook a simple meal. Lives in America, even for the poor are far more privileged than the rest of the world and people manage to cook meals at home. Expecting someone to cook a simple meal is not condescending or out of touch, it's called a reasonable expectation.

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Anonymous wrote:In Asian and African countries, low income people cook from scratch and the meals are simple and mostly healthy, they simply can't afford processed or pre packaged food. You will be hard pressed to find a low income Asian who is overweight or obese, They do however have the cooking skills thanks to their parents or extended family. I have always wondered (not in a judgmental way) why poor Americans don't have basic cooking skills when they are the ones who stand to benefit the most from such skills.

Yes, I have seen the aforementioned EBT grocery hauls on TikTok, all the women have functioning kitchens, it seems for a lot of people buying processed and pre packaged food is a choice.

It doesn't take a lot of expense to cook fresh beans, rice with a small salad or some roasted vegetables. Lots of vegetables are not expensive. Pasta cooked in olive oil with come sausages, garlic + bell pepper is a $10 meal for the family. Good oil can be bought in bulk on EBT. Two packets of linguine 99c each at Trader Joe's, chicken sausage $4.99, 1 head of garlic @ 30c, 2 bell peppers for $1.50 and oil + seasonings bought in bulk which can last months.

These are not accurate grocery prices, at least not in any metro area. Also, again you ignore the lack time, space, and cooking skills cooking from scratch requires. Often, poor kids are home alone feeding themselves, while their parent(s) is at job #2 or even 3. They buy them things they can easily microwave, with low risk of burning the house down.

People managed to feed themselves, even kids, before microwaves.

We aren't talking about before. We're talking about now, the world as it actually is.

And today, kids are capable of making themselves something to eat too. You think kids would starve if there were no more pizza rolls and ramen noodle cups?

Have you ever met a kid? If there's nothing but uncooked rice and dry beans in the house, they're more likely to just not eat, even if they theoreticallyknow how to cook them. Stop playing dumb and being cruel.

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You stop playing dumb. Hungry kids in other parts of the world pick food out of garbage cans. So yes, I think the hungry American kid is fully capable of making a bowl of oatmeal and scrambling and eggs instead of starving bc there’s no soda and Hot Pockets

Okay, so you aren't playing. You're truly just stupid and out of touch. Let them eat from garbage cans!

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Anonymous wrote:If MAGAs are the majority of SNAP and they voted against it, then it should be cut.

Honestly, this might have to be the thing to do. Blue states will come in to rescue their people. Let the red state MAGAs learn some valuable lessons about the their voting history. Same with their insurance premiums.

The D’s can only try to save people from themselves for so long.

Giving people handouts is not saving people from themselves. We as Democrats should be putting community farms around neighborhoods, planting fruit trees in public parks, bringing back home ec, teaching children in schools how to plant a garden, teaching them how to cook, so the next generation isn’t as dependent on a failing system. Giving them money to buy ultra processed garbage food isn’t saving them from anything.

Why do you assume everyone is living off of ultra processed garbage? Yes, people living on couches or SRO rooms probably are. Hard to make your own organic wheat bread when you only have a microwave and hot plate and work 60 hours on your feet every week. But many people buy whole or minimally processed ingredients to make their meals, or buy ultra processed when it is in fact cheaper on a macro basis (see hot dogs versus steak, for example).

I agree we could do more to teach people how to garden, but not all soils are suitable for growing things, particularly in urban areas that were built up in the asbestos/lead based paint/PCBs everywhere era. It’s quite an upfront investment to build and fill raised planters or containers, and the results are far from guaranteed. Buying greenhouse grown may very well be the more economical choice.

Go spend 5 minutes on TikTok and you’ll find countless videos of people showing their EBT shopping hauls and people in grocery stores showing what happens to carts of food when people can’t pay. It’s almost all ultra processed garbage. They should really be limited to fruit, veg, meat, dairy, and pantry staples like flour and cornstarch. I don’t need to buy anyone 25 frozen pizzas and 5 bags of Doritos just to pay for those healthcare bills in 10 years.

You are a first class douche. Cheap food keeps people fed.

All the things you list are VERY expensive now and you need a full kitchen and the utensils and spices to cook with them.

Go crawl back under your rock.

Disagree. Low income people and kids have the highest rate of obesity.
More snap dollars are spent on soda than anything else. People are lazy and don’t want to cook- not just poor people, most people. Many poor people in other countries manage to live on rice and beans, simple foods. American poor people live on frozen pizzas and Doritos

Do you have a link to this fact that more snap dollars are spent on soda than anything else?

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Anonymous wrote:In Asian and African countries, low income people cook from scratch and the meals are simple and mostly healthy, they simply can't afford processed or pre packaged food. You will be hard pressed to find a low income Asian who is overweight or obese, They do however have the cooking skills thanks to their parents or extended family. I have always wondered (not in a judgmental way) why poor Americans don't have basic cooking skills when they are the ones who stand to benefit the most from such skills.

Yes, I have seen the aforementioned EBT grocery hauls on TikTok, all the women have functioning kitchens, it seems for a lot of people buying processed and pre packaged food is a choice.

It doesn't take a lot of expense to cook fresh beans, rice with a small salad or some roasted vegetables. Lots of vegetables are not expensive. Pasta cooked in olive oil with come sausages, garlic + bell pepper is a $10 meal for the family. Good oil can be bought in bulk on EBT. Two packets of linguine 99c each at Trader Joe's, chicken sausage $4.99, 1 head of garlic @ 30c, 2 bell peppers for $1.50 and oil + seasonings bought in bulk which can last months.

These are not accurate grocery prices, at least not in any metro area. Also, again you ignore the lack time, space, and cooking skills cooking from scratch requires. Often, poor kids are home alone feeding themselves, while their parent(s) is at job #2 or even 3. They buy them things they can easily microwave, with low risk of burning the house down.

People managed to feed themselves, even kids, before microwaves.

We aren't talking about before. We're talking about now, the world as it actually is.

And today, kids are capable of making themselves something to eat too. You think kids would starve if there were no more pizza rolls and ramen noodle cups?

Have you ever met a kid? If there's nothing but uncooked rice and dry beans in the house, they're more likely to just not eat, even if they theoreticallyknow how to cook them. Stop playing dumb and being cruel.

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You stop playing dumb. Hungry kids in other parts of the world pick food out of garbage cans. So yes, I think the hungry American kid is fully capable of making a bowl of oatmeal and scrambling and eggs instead of starving bc there’s no soda and Hot Pockets

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Anonymous wrote:In Asian and African countries, low income people cook from scratch and the meals are simple and mostly healthy, they simply can't afford processed or pre packaged food. You will be hard pressed to find a low income Asian who is overweight or obese, They do however have the cooking skills thanks to their parents or extended family. I have always wondered (not in a judgmental way) why poor Americans don't have basic cooking skills when they are the ones who stand to benefit the most from such skills.

Yes, I have seen the aforementioned EBT grocery hauls on TikTok, all the women have functioning kitchens, it seems for a lot of people buying processed and pre packaged food is a choice.

It doesn't take a lot of expense to cook fresh beans, rice with a small salad or some roasted vegetables. Lots of vegetables are not expensive. Pasta cooked in olive oil with come sausages, garlic + bell pepper is a $10 meal for the family. Good oil can be bought in bulk on EBT. Two packets of linguine 99c each at Trader Joe's, chicken sausage $4.99, 1 head of garlic @ 30c, 2 bell peppers for $1.50 and oil + seasonings bought in bulk which can last months.

As a nutritionist, I used to think the same way you do. However, after working with patients and seeing the faces of those on snap, it’s not that easy. Many are elderly, unable to afford a working stove or unable to lift a pot of water to boil rice. Many are children, whose parent works two jobs to stay eligible for the snap. No time to cook, and often kids unable to safely cook for themselves unless it can be microwaved.
There are many who have a plot in community gardens, make their own bread, and eat rice and beans instead of expensive meats. But these are the young healthy ones who are not on snap for long.
For those in urban settings, corner stores rarely offer produce. Shelf stable processed food are a more reliable investment for the store owner.
For those in rural settings, which represent the majority of snap recipients, stores are often a long drive away and trips are not often enough to get produce or short lived goods. Living near a farm doesn’t mean you actually have access to what’s grown on that farm. Most farms are corn, wheat, soy. Not the readily edible kind.

Thank you for this. The thought that people who are working two jobs should then plant and tend to a garden in order to feed their family is ridiculous. And, as you pointed out, some people do not have access to grocery stores with good fresh ingredients.

Europeans wouldn’t survive one month without entitlements. Many Americans are working past age 65 and many are working more than one full time job.

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These are the prices at Bailey's Crossroads, Falls Church, VA.

Anonymous wrote:My friend from Germany: 'Americans can't handle anything (adversity) these days.'

Europeans can’t handle no welfare at all.

Tell your friend to shove it. Americans are overworked and have no safety net in comparison to the men and women of leisure aka Europeans. Until they are swimming in student loan debt, health insurance/medical bills, daycare; elder care, car note, housing, electric/gas, and credit card fees, they can’t truly truly understand what it means.

They’re in commie towns not capitalist countries

Rice and pasta is just as starchy as a can of soda

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]In Asian and African countries, low income people cook from scratch and the meals are simple and mostly healthy, they simply can't afford processed or pre packaged food. You will be hard pressed to find a low income Asian who is overweight or obese, They do however have the cooking skills thanks to their parents or extended family. I have always wondered (not in a judgmental way) why poor Americans don't have basic cooking skills when they are the ones who stand to benefit the most from such skills.

Yes, I have seen the aforementioned EBT grocery hauls on TikTok, all the women have functioning kitchens, it seems for a lot of people buying processed and pre packaged food is a choice.

It doesn't take a lot of expense to cook fresh beans, rice with a small salad or some roasted vegetables. Lots of vegetables are not expensive. Pasta cooked in olive oil with come sausages, garlic + bell pepper is a $10 meal for the family. Good oil can be bought in bulk on EBT. Two packets of linguine 99c each at Trader Joe's, chicken sausage $4.99, 1 head of garlic @ 30c, 2 bell peppers for $1.50 and oil + seasonings bought in bulk which can last months.[/quote]

These are not accurate grocery prices, at least not in any metro area. Also, again you ignore the lack time, space, and cooking skills cooking from scratch requires. Often, poor kids are home alone feeding themselves, while their parent(s) is at job #2 or even 3. They buy them things they can easily microwave, with low risk of burning the house down. [/quote]

Those are more or less accurate prices. All of those things are staples of my grocery list in DC. There has been inflation but storebrand pasta is about $1.50 a bag/box. Sausage is $5.99. Bell peppers are about $1 each. Decent pasta sauce is $3.99.

You're making excuses. Isn't learning how to use a stove an essential life skill? Learning how to boil pasta and cook rice are basic life tasks that everyone should know, don't present any risk for burning a house down, and are no more complex than cooking a frozen pizza.[/quote]

I'm not making excuses. I'm informing you of how actual poor people live and the logic that goes into their decision making process. You might not like it, but this is how it goes. And again, your prices are not accurate for 2025. Maybe they were a few years ago. [/quote]

Once again, the prices are accurate. Trader Joe's in Falls Church sells linguine for 99c per packet, chicken sausage is 4.99, bell pepper and garlic are cheap as well. [/quote]

You're lying. I live in Baltimore. Chicken sausage would be closer to $10, pasta closer to $1.25/box, bell peppers closer to $2 each, and garlic was $.90 a head last week. All of these little increases add up a lot, especially if you're not working with a lot of cash to begin with. [/quote]

I am not going to post again but I have no reason to lie on an anonymous message board. You can believe whatever the hell you want to believe. I will enjoy my chicken sausage at 4.99.[/quote]

Sure, liar.

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Anonymous wrote:In Asian and African countries, low income people cook from scratch and the meals are simple and mostly healthy, they simply can't afford processed or pre packaged food. You will be hard pressed to find a low income Asian who is overweight or obese, They do however have the cooking skills thanks to their parents or extended family. I have always wondered (not in a judgmental way) why poor Americans don't have basic cooking skills when they are the ones who stand to benefit the most from such skills.

Yes, I have seen the aforementioned EBT grocery hauls on TikTok, all the women have functioning kitchens, it seems for a lot of people buying processed and pre packaged food is a choice.

It doesn't take a lot of expense to cook fresh beans, rice with a small salad or some roasted vegetables. Lots of vegetables are not expensive. Pasta cooked in olive oil with come sausages, garlic + bell pepper is a $10 meal for the family. Good oil can be bought in bulk on EBT. Two packets of linguine 99c each at Trader Joe's, chicken sausage $4.99, 1 head of garlic @ 30c, 2 bell peppers for $1.50 and oil + seasonings bought in bulk which can last months.

These are not accurate grocery prices, at least not in any metro area. Also, again you ignore the lack time, space, and cooking skills cooking from scratch requires. Often, poor kids are home alone feeding themselves, while their parent(s) is at job #2 or even 3. They buy them things they can easily microwave, with low risk of burning the house down.

People managed to feed themselves, even kids, before microwaves.

We aren't talking about before. We're talking about now, the world as it actually is.

And today, kids are capable of making themselves something to eat too. You think kids would starve if there were no more pizza rolls and ramen noodle cups?

Have you ever met a kid? If there's nothing but uncooked rice and dry beans in the house, they're more likely to just not eat, even if they theoreticallyknow how to cook them. Stop playing dumb and being cruel.

The parent can cook the food and leave leftovers already prepped on the table for them and they still won’t eat, or say they want junk food instead.

Junk food is like the first drug to kids

You think people working multiple jobs, single parents, caretakers of the elderly, have time to do from-scratch meal planning and prep?

I meal plan and prep and cook my meals from scratch. I buy my food in bulk. It saves a ton of money and time, but it took investments of time and money of front to be able to do this. I've been poor and my diet was very different, and I know that the economics are very different when you are short on time, space, energy, and cash. There's a reason they say it's expensive to be poor.

People will find time for what they consider a priority, unfortunately, my experience has been that majority of them don’t want to cook. I completely understand the shortage of time argument but people all over the world find time to cook because pre packaged is not an option.

You're out of touch and condescending. There isn't much to be done when the time to do something literally does not exist. We aren't talking about people all over the world. We're talking about people in the US, working often multiple jobs, going to school, being disabled, relying on public transportation, etc. All the various reasons someone would be on food stamps, many of which also mean they have limited free time.

And you have the nerve to stick your nose in the air to judge them for what they aren't doing with imaginary time they don't have.