Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

Well, first off, the agency has thrown the CBA out the window. They can’t pick and choose which provisions they like or don’t. Second, the CBA isn’t policy anyway (as we’ve seen with telework).

Third, I can work from 630 - 230. Then go to lunch (wherever I want). 8 hours of work done. Timecard is perfectly accurate.

I don’t see how your first and second points differ, and the agency would not agree that the CBA isn’t still in effect, and you probably wouldn’t want that because plenty of other things would also go out the window.

Your time card might be accurate, but you would be violating the CBA lunch provision (and at least theoretically could face some sort of discipline) if you took your lunch outside the building, as in you were only in the office for 8 hours. If you took it in the office, they’d have no way to know since you’d have 8.5 hours in the office.

You can do whatever you like, but it seems like they are going to be looking at badge records to make sure people are complying with RTO, and if they consistently see you in the office only 8 hours, you are taking a risk.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

An employee's lunch break normally should be taken between 11:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. An employee may not save any part of their lunch break so as to shorten their workday, or to extend subsequent lunch periods. This is what’s currently listed under lunch break. My understanding isn’t that you’re barred from taking lunch at 3:00 p.m., but rather that you can’t use your half-hour lunch break to reduce the total eight-hour workday to 7.5 hours. There’s another thread on this where someone cites the statutory requirement under Title 5, but after reviewing those sections, I didn’t see anything specific to lunch breaks. It could be a union provision. I’m not entirely sure why it’s included, and perhaps it’s something the union stewards should look into.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

Well, first off, the agency has thrown the CBA out the window. They can’t pick and choose which provisions they like or don’t. Second, the CBA isn’t policy anyway (as we’ve seen with telework).

Third, I can work from 630 - 230. Then go to lunch (wherever I want). 8 hours of work done. Timecard is perfectly accurate.

Wrong. See FLSA.

They’re corresponding badge swipes to time cards. You’re required to have an unpaid lunch in the office. Swiping for only 8 hours means you’re defrauding the government of 0.5 hours/day.

You do you, but seems like a sure fire way to be on the future RIF list.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

This discussion is really saying that if you have an ounce of self respect and a prayer of finding private sector employment, leave this sinking ship ASAP.

+10000

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

Well, first off, the agency has thrown the CBA out the window. They can’t pick and choose which provisions they like or don’t. Second, the CBA isn’t policy anyway (as we’ve seen with telework).

Third, I can work from 630 - 230. Then go to lunch (wherever I want). 8 hours of work done. Timecard is perfectly accurate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

This discussion is really saying that if you have an ounce of self respect and a prayer of finding private sector employment, leave this sinking ship ASAP.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

Anonymous wrote:Nowhere does it say 42.5 hrs in the office. My time card requires me to verify 40 hours of work. That’s it.

As long as you take lunch by 4, that’s all that’s required.

LOL, required unpaid lunch in the office. Dare you to try and see what happens though.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

Anonymous wrote:Nowhere does it say 42.5 hrs in the office. My time card requires me to verify 40 hours of work. That’s it.

As long as you take lunch by 4, that’s all that’s required.

We’ve always been told we have to take a half hour lunch, and it can’t be taken at the very beginning or end of the day. No one is paying any attention to how long you are taking for lunch, plenty of people just eat at their desk, but if you are only in the office for 8 hours a day, that would be an easy way to see you aren’t following the lunch rules, at least as I understand them.

Anonymous wrote:Nowhere does it say 42.5 hrs in the office. My time card requires me to verify 40 hours of work. That’s it.

As long as you take lunch by 4, that’s all that’s required.

CBA says “usually” lunch by 3:00. Though the CBA is null and void.

Nowhere does it say 42.5 hrs in the office. My time card requires me to verify 40 hours of work. That’s it.

As long as you take lunch by 4, that’s all that’s required.

Sadly with deregulation and much less enforcement a RIF is unavoidable. They are probably just waiting for Paul Atkins to start since they’ve changed their strategy to let agency heads handle it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

Yeah, we’ve been told the ad hoc telework should be fairly rare and definitely can’t establish any sort of pattern, even if it is only a couple of hours.

So if your kid has baseball practice on Wednesday and it would be great to be able to 6 hours in the office and two at home so you can drive him, tough luck.

But, I think you could do 10 hours one day (or 9 two days) in the office to make up for it, even if you don’t formally change your schedule since you would still have 42.5 physically in the office.

I was told that Maxiflex allows you to set a schedule like that.

Yes, you can definitely set that schedule, but I think you can still make ad hoc changes like that.

My husband’s schedule varies a lot. Some days, he can take the kids and I could got in early or stay later (so I could get more than 8 hours in a day to bank for a different day) but other times he can’t, and we don’t know which is which until last minute. So I wouldn’t know which days I could do longer ahead of time.

I guess you could do credit hours and leave to adjust to your actual schedule, but that’s a huge pain for everyone. I’ve always just been able to record my time as it happens to be that week - e.g., 8, 9, 7, 9, 8 - and it’s never been a problem. I think that will still be the case as long as all those hours are still physically in the office.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

Yeah, we’ve been told the ad hoc telework should be fairly rare and definitely can’t establish any sort of pattern, even if it is only a couple of hours.

So if your kid has baseball practice on Wednesday and it would be great to be able to 6 hours in the office and two at home so you can drive him, tough luck.

But, I think you could do 10 hours one day (or 9 two days) in the office to make up for it, even if you don’t formally change your schedule since you would still have 42.5 physically in the office.

I was told that Maxiflex allows you to set a schedule like that.

Assuming your supervisor is a decent person they will probably approve periodic schedule changes like this (i.e. 10 hours 2 days to take off early another day).