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Anonymous wrote:no, the killer should rot in prison but our healthcare system is also royally F'ed.

Blame politicians and American voters. That's the real issue.

Insurance companies should all be non profit

There is nobody to vote for that stated they would establish universal healthcare. Biden didn't run on that, Harris didn't run on that. Trump didn't run on that...so who are we supposed to vote for exactly? The closest was Sanders and he is still there in congress advocating for it with absolutely no results.

At some point, the wealthy asset holders and banks own the system. They own Congress (both parties), they own the White House (both parties) and they clearly now own the Supreme Court.
They have so much wealth that they own everything and the voters are never presented with the choice to meaningfully change our healthcare system.

The American medical industry is about 20% of the economy and possibly the largest and most profitable industry of any type in any country ever. As the kids say, that's not a bug, that's a feature.

No people can't go around shooting each other.

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Anonymous wrote:no, the killer should rot in prison but our healthcare system is also royally F'ed.

Blame politicians and American voters. That's the real issue.

Insurance companies should all be non profit

There is nobody to vote for that stated they would establish universal healthcare. Biden didn't run on that, Harris didn't run on that. Trump didn't run on that...so who are we supposed to vote for exactly? The closest was Sanders and he is still there in congress advocating for it with absolutely no results.

The primary system failed. Oh, that's right, there wasn't a primary for one party. You were given a candidate. Of course, government isn't only the President. You continue to put the same dead wood back into Congress year after year.

The insurance debacle is just one more symptom of a failing nation. There’s a ton of dysfunction in this country in so many areas.

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Anonymous wrote:no, the killer should rot in prison but our healthcare system is also royally F'ed.

Blame politicians and American voters. That's the real issue.

Insurance companies should all be non profit

There is nobody to vote for that stated they would establish universal healthcare. Biden didn't run on that, Harris didn't run on that. Trump didn't run on that...so who are we supposed to vote for exactly? The closest was Sanders and he is still there in congress advocating for it with absolutely no results.

The primary system failed. Oh, that's right, there wasn't a primary for one party. You were given a candidate. Of course, government isn't only the President. You continue to put the same dead wood back into Congress year after year.

I don't condone it. I also feel sadness for the CEO's family. Can you imagine your loved one being murdered only to have most of the US cheering for and supporting the shooter?

But at the same time, the song He Had it Coming from Chicago does play on repeat when I think of the incident. I saw a video use that sound and I can't make it stop.

This is a good example of money not being able to buy everything. This guy comes from a very wealthy family with good connections and the ability to seek out and receive the best healthcare around. And even that couldn't fix his back issues. It's easy to see how he felt betrayed by the broken system.

My FIL comes from a wealthy family. My MIL spent her entire career in cancer research only to quickly die from the same disease she'd tried to cure for years. The same disease that she and my FIL had donated millions to. Ailments don't discriminate and diseases don't care how much money you have to toss at it to fix it.

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Anonymous wrote:no, the killer should rot in prison but our healthcare system is also royally F'ed.

Blame politicians and American voters. That's the real issue.

Insurance companies should all be non profit

There is nobody to vote for that stated they would establish universal healthcare. Biden didn't run on that, Harris didn't run on that. Trump didn't run on that...so who are we supposed to vote for exactly? The closest was Sanders and he is still there in congress advocating for it with absolutely no results.

Nobody can't run on that. How many people work in an industry associated with our current healthcare system? You know - have a job in an insurance company, Dr office, pharma, don't forget about the therapists, specialists, the lab people, the technology companies supporting the industry and all the other companies supporting this vertical as well. Are you going to just say to these people - hey people - universal non for profit healthcare is gonna happen on my watch, what do you think it means for your livelihoods??!!

I am 100000% universal healthcare and have no words to express my dissatisfaction and anger at our current system. However, a change is not going to happen in the US and if it does, it certainly will not be within 1-2 years to enact modifications. Everything would need to be phased out slowly. And don't even suggest that we could have some sort of privatized AND universal system. Once anyone makes money, everyone will want to make it and as much as possible! There is no way in this capitalistic country of ours that both are able to run equally effectively. It runs in other countries because culturally, they focus on totally different priorities. And finally, if we have 300M in this country, there is no way that universal healthcare - that is - if you are sick you should get seen without fail or spending a ton of money for help - will work for everyone across the board equally. There's simply not enough clinicians.

Nope - the only changes that are even remotely possible would be to change how billing works. That would likely require Congressional legislation which the PACS and lobbyists will not allow so from that angle it'll be almost impossible. But I think that would be more probable than switching out the system entirely. Move to a different country instead.

Doctors for the most part suck in the US. Negligent, non transparent, support pill popping. Never met a good caring doctor here. I have seen doctors in my parents poorer country and they have given me their personal phone number should I have questions or need help. They have tried to help. Whereas the pricey docs here have done shoddy work or been negligent.

no. don't support murder. however, so many bad things happen to good people. It can feel like a relief when bad things happen to bad people, and this guy was not a good guy. not that it justifies what happened to him.

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Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.

Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.

Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.

- who donated to ActBlue.

I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.

Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.

But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.

I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!

It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.

If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.

Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.

We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).

It's very different to rise up against your government instead of hunting down your fellow citizens.

But the CEO class is essentially running our government. Maybe not through being elected, but they are donating (aka buying out our politicians). And this is a problem on both sides of the aisle. So how exactly are the people supposed to “rise up” against politicians when they are funded by corporations?

It’s disingenuous to act like this CEO is just a “fellow citizen.” The reality is 99% + of citizens’ lives are in no way comparable to this guy. It’s not like he went after the little guy and shot a claims processor making 60k/year.

Replace the government. Killing a CEO just creates another CEO. Do you think UHC's replacement will be any different? Do you think we get to vote on the CEOs? We only can vote for politicians. Stop voting for the corrupt incumbents.

Replacing the govt doesn't do anything, because CEO$ and their lobbyists have ownership over our laws and who writes them. Go ahead and try to elect new politicians and a govt. They will just lobby it all away and water everything down because of Citizens United. Corpristons and Wall Street ruined the entire country with CU.

You can't keep telling 99% of the population to play by the rules in game you have fixed to never be winnable.

This x 1000

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Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.

Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.

Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.

- who donated to ActBlue.

I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.

Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.

But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.

I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!

It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.

If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.

Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.

We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).

It's very different to rise up against your government instead of hunting down your fellow citizens.

But the CEO class is essentially running our government. Maybe not through being elected, but they are donating (aka buying out our politicians). And this is a problem on both sides of the aisle. So how exactly are the people supposed to “rise up” against politicians when they are funded by corporations?

It’s disingenuous to act like this CEO is just a “fellow citizen.” The reality is 99% + of citizens’ lives are in no way comparable to this guy. It’s not like he went after the little guy and shot a claims processor making 60k/year.

Replace the government. Killing a CEO just creates another CEO. Do you think UHC's replacement will be any different? Do you think we get to vote on the CEOs? We only can vote for politicians. Stop voting for the corrupt incumbents.

**they are all corrupt** (ok maybe Bernie wasn’t and I’m still sad he didn’t win).

But in 2010 we began allowing corporations the ability to make uncapped political donations. The options on your ballot are there because the executives have funded their campaigns.

Anyone who would actually help the common man can’t compete with that.

I am tired of voting for politicians that are in the pockets of corporations. Look at his whole DOGE thing. None of us elected Musk or Ramaswamy and yet they have the ear of our President and feel entitled to make recommendations to further dismantle our government. Oh how shocking that they want to cut regulations and create tasks forces to look into the government contracts with their competitors.

Anonymous wrote:no, the killer should rot in prison but our healthcare system is also royally F'ed.

Blame politicians and American voters. That's the real issue.

Insurance companies should all be non profit

There is nobody to vote for that stated they would establish universal healthcare. Biden didn't run on that, Harris didn't run on that. Trump didn't run on that...so who are we supposed to vote for exactly? The closest was Sanders and he is still there in congress advocating for it with absolutely no results.

Anonymous wrote:Of course not. The people celebrating this all over Twitter / Threads are morons. I’m sure the majority of them would jump at the chance to make millions a year, although I guess it’s easier to be holier than thou when you have no money.

I have made many choices in life that have cost me a lot of money. You might be right that people would trade places with the CEO. Or, you might yourself have zero moral compass, putting the almighty dollar ahead of everything else.

Anonymous wrote:There is a French revolution "eat the rich" political undertone on both the left and the right. The left quashed the populist Bernie wave... for a little while. Now it's coming out as MAGA.

It's the result of people feeling like the system is rigged against them and it needs a democratic escape vent or people turn to pitchforks and guillotines. This is a dangerous time when a person, say a CEO, can be dehumanized and seen as a symbol of what is wrong with the system.

No, I do not support murdering CEOs. They are people with families and made their way through the system like everyone else.

This is where you lost me as your rationale. Why are people with families who made their way through the system like everyone else more valued than any other murder victim in the U.S. on any given day?

Furthermore, evidence shows this particular man was a despicable human being with no moral compass. He was himself a criminal and a murderer of sorts. He would never stand trial for his crimes against humanity.

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Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.

Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.

Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.

- who donated to ActBlue.

I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.

Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.

But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.

I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!

It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.

If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.

Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.

We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).

It's very different to rise up against your government instead of hunting down your fellow citizens.

But the CEO class is essentially running our government. Maybe not through being elected, but they are donating (aka buying out our politicians). And this is a problem on both sides of the aisle. So how exactly are the people supposed to “rise up” against politicians when they are funded by corporations?

It’s disingenuous to act like this CEO is just a “fellow citizen.” The reality is 99% + of citizens’ lives are in no way comparable to this guy. It’s not like he went after the little guy and shot a claims processor making 60k/year.

Replace the government. Killing a CEO just creates another CEO. Do you think UHC's replacement will be any different? Do you think we get to vote on the CEOs? We only can vote for politicians. Stop voting for the corrupt incumbents.

I think you are hoping that angry, detached people will step back and take a practical approach to intractable social problems. Some of us are old enough to see that the wealthy ownership class is ever tightening their grip on our political system. Voting has not worked.

I'm not saying shooting CEOs is a solution. It's not. Targeted murder is a violent act. A last desperate blow against the beast.
Those living comfortably in our system might not relate.

What's your alternative system that doesn't involve voting that wouldn't be overruled by the wealthy?

no, the killer should rot in prison but our healthcare system is also royally F'ed.

Blame politicians and American voters. That's the real issue.

Insurance companies should all be non profit