Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

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Anonymous wrote:Remember it's optional to send your child to school with a phone at all.

This. Put the responsibility where it belongs, folks.

Its the other kids parents.

I agree though. The punishment for using a phone in class should be the parents must come to school in person at end of week to pick it up. That will motivate parents to discipline their kids to not use phones in class.

Am I supposed to somehow monitor my kid speaking out of turn in class, too? I'm very confident that kids will break rules or not follow parents' instructions when not in their presence; and that most kids are probably told by their parents not to use their phones in class. Just like breaking any other rule, I expect my kid to receive discipline/correction at school for infractions at school when they happen. If it warrants parental notification, then I'll deal with that at home as a parent. Lots of parents have rules about clothing .... which some kids then don't follow while at school. That's somehow the parent's fault?

You bought their clothes, and you bought their phone. So it's your responsibility on what they should possess of these in the end. If your kid can't manage simple things like shutting their mouth or sitting still in class on a daily basis, perhaps they shouldn't be there because those are as much a distraction as the phone. Stop making excuses.

Please explain how YOU are fulfilling your parental responsibilities while your child is at school.
My kid doesn't speak out of turn or fidget distractingly in class on an irregular basis, let alone daily. I'm sure your kid is a perfect angel, too, because you are somehow parenting them while they are in the classroom all day.

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Anonymous wrote:So I took the liberty of ordering a bunch of magnets to open this &$@! Pouch. Here is what works:

MEUOADA Rare Earth Magnet,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D6RBXT71?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Put pouch on magnet
Tap the button vigorously
It opens

We went through a few that didn’t work.

Good luck - my kid is one who would have to make a choice between missing a bus and unlocking the pouch and freak out. This pouch was an unnecessary source of anxiety and I feel happy to have defeated it.

Sincere question:Why would you not let your kid deal with the natural consequence of not unlocking the phone?

That is such a weird sincere question. What was the poor behavior that needed a consequence? Locking the phone or choosing not to miss the bus so that her parent needed to leave work to pick her up?

Neither is a choice that requires a consequence. I would recheck your idea of “natural consequences”. Natural consequences in our house - not doing homework and failing a test. Not wearing pants and being cold. Not bringing a snack and being hungry (on a short term). But following the rules and being too overladen with sports equipment to manage getting out the pouch and not missing the bus? Not something that requires a consequence.

Also, I’m replying to myself but - maybe you don’t understand the pouch? It’s that every kid locks up the phone, not just those who are pulling it out and get caught. So if the latter, the pouch is a consequence and not being able to unlock it is a natural consequence of the poor choice to pull it out in class. But if the kid never made that poor choice - the not unlocking it is not a consequence for anything. It’s just stupid.

No, it's a consequence for forgetting to unlock it or for choosing not to for whatever reason.
I think you should look up the definition of "consequence."

Thankfully, I see I’m not alone - but I will respond to this stupidity -

A kid LOCKS the pouch because they are following the rules. Kids who don’t follow the rules (using dead-phones, etc) are not following the rules. Those kids - the ones who are rule breakers - are not subject to your “consequences”. So to have a kid deal with the consequences for locking it up, you’re actually punishing the ones who make good choices following the rules.

Moving on. I took stock of my kid’s two arms today: full backpack because the kid works hard and has all honors classes and homework. A project, because the kid works hard and had to work all weekend. A bag for sports practice, because the kid works hard at school so we picked the earliest practice we could find (so it doesn’t interfere with homework). An instrument, because it doesn’t fit in the bags and the kid is diligent about practice.

The kid only has two hands. Pulling out the pouch, to unlock it, to put it back, to gather everything. If they miss the bus or fail to unlock the pouch with their full hands - I see literally nothing there for which my child should pay a consequence.

And you can move to avoid taxes you don’t like. There are lots of places without sales tax or income tax.

PP, you seem to have very low expectations for your kid. Good lord.

So do you. My kid can keep off their phone without putting it in a pouch.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember it's optional to send your child to school with a phone at all.

This. Put the responsibility where it belongs, folks.

Its the other kids parents.

I agree though. The punishment for using a phone in class should be the parents must come to school in person at end of week to pick it up. That will motivate parents to discipline their kids to not use phones in class.

Am I supposed to somehow monitor my kid speaking out of turn in class, too? I'm very confident that kids will break rules or not follow parents' instructions when not in their presence; and that most kids are probably told by their parents not to use their phones in class. Just like breaking any other rule, I expect my kid to receive discipline/correction at school for infractions at school when they happen. If it warrants parental notification, then I'll deal with that at home as a parent. Lots of parents have rules about clothing .... which some kids then don't follow while at school. That's somehow the parent's fault?

You bought their clothes, and you bought their phone. So it's your responsibility on what they should possess of these in the end. If your kid can't manage simple things like shutting their mouth or sitting still in class on a daily basis, perhaps they shouldn't be there because those are as much a distraction as the phone. Stop making excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember it's optional to send your child to school with a phone at all.

This. Put the responsibility where it belongs, folks.

Its the other kids parents.

I agree though. The punishment for using a phone in class should be the parents must come to school in person at end of week to pick it up. That will motivate parents to discipline their kids to not use phones in class.

Am I supposed to somehow monitor my kid speaking out of turn in class, too? I'm very confident that kids will break rules or not follow parents' instructions when not in their presence; and that most kids are probably told by their parents not to use their phones in class. Just like breaking any other rule, I expect my kid to receive discipline/correction at school for infractions at school when they happen. If it warrants parental notification, then I'll deal with that at home as a parent. Lots of parents have rules about clothing .... which some kids then don't follow while at school. That's somehow the parent's fault?

The whole reason why we have Yonder bags are parents like you, who don’t take responsibility for your child’s behavior.

The rule is now to keep phones in a poach; just like the rule that you can’t wear a bikini to school. If you are abdicating your responsibilities to parent them while at school, the school can set the rules. Here’s a new one.

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Anonymous wrote:So I took the liberty of ordering a bunch of magnets to open this &$@! Pouch. Here is what works:

MEUOADA Rare Earth Magnet,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D6RBXT71?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Put pouch on magnet
Tap the button vigorously
It opens

We went through a few that didn’t work.

Good luck - my kid is one who would have to make a choice between missing a bus and unlocking the pouch and freak out. This pouch was an unnecessary source of anxiety and I feel happy to have defeated it.

Sincere question:Why would you not let your kid deal with the natural consequence of not unlocking the phone?

That is such a weird sincere question. What was the poor behavior that needed a consequence? Locking the phone or choosing not to miss the bus so that her parent needed to leave work to pick her up?

Neither is a choice that requires a consequence. I would recheck your idea of “natural consequences”. Natural consequences in our house - not doing homework and failing a test. Not wearing pants and being cold. Not bringing a snack and being hungry (on a short term). But following the rules and being too overladen with sports equipment to manage getting out the pouch and not missing the bus? Not something that requires a consequence.

Also, I’m replying to myself but - maybe you don’t understand the pouch? It’s that every kid locks up the phone, not just those who are pulling it out and get caught. So if the latter, the pouch is a consequence and not being able to unlock it is a natural consequence of the poor choice to pull it out in class. But if the kid never made that poor choice - the not unlocking it is not a consequence for anything. It’s just stupid.

No, it's a consequence for forgetting to unlock it or for choosing not to for whatever reason.
I think you should look up the definition of "consequence."

Thankfully, I see I’m not alone - but I will respond to this stupidity -

A kid LOCKS the pouch because they are following the rules. Kids who don’t follow the rules (using dead-phones, etc) are not following the rules. Those kids - the ones who are rule breakers - are not subject to your “consequences”. So to have a kid deal with the consequences for locking it up, you’re actually punishing the ones who make good choices following the rules.

Moving on. I took stock of my kid’s two arms today: full backpack because the kid works hard and has all honors classes and homework. A project, because the kid works hard and had to work all weekend. A bag for sports practice, because the kid works hard at school so we picked the earliest practice we could find (so it doesn’t interfere with homework). An instrument, because it doesn’t fit in the bags and the kid is diligent about practice.

The kid only has two hands. Pulling out the pouch, to unlock it, to put it back, to gather everything. If they miss the bus or fail to unlock the pouch with their full hands - I see literally nothing there for which my child should pay a consequence.

And you can move to avoid taxes you don’t like. There are lots of places without sales tax or income tax.

PP, you seem to have very low expectations for your kid. Good lord.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember it's optional to send your child to school with a phone at all.

This. Put the responsibility where it belongs, folks.

Its the other kids parents.

I agree though. The punishment for using a phone in class should be the parents must come to school in person at end of week to pick it up. That will motivate parents to discipline their kids to not use phones in class.

Am I supposed to somehow monitor my kid speaking out of turn in class, too? I'm very confident that kids will break rules or not follow parents' instructions when not in their presence; and that most kids are probably told by their parents not to use their phones in class. Just like breaking any other rule, I expect my kid to receive discipline/correction at school for infractions at school when they happen. If it warrants parental notification, then I'll deal with that at home as a parent. Lots of parents have rules about clothing .... which some kids then don't follow while at school. That's somehow the parent's fault?

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Anonymous wrote:Remember it's optional to send your child to school with a phone at all.

This. Put the responsibility where it belongs, folks.

Its the other kids parents.

I agree though. The punishment for using a phone in class should be the parents must come to school in person at end of week to pick it up. That will motivate parents to discipline their kids to not use phones in class.

Am I supposed to somehow monitor my kid speaking out of turn in class, too? I'm very confident that kids will break rules or not follow parents' instructions when not in their presence; and that most kids are probably told by their parents not to use their phones in class. Just like breaking any other rule, I expect my kid to receive discipline/correction at school for infractions at school when they happen. If it warrants parental notification, then I'll deal with that at home as a parent. Lots of parents have rules about clothing .... which some kids then don't follow while at school. That's somehow the parent's fault?

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Anonymous wrote:Remember it's optional to send your child to school with a phone at all.

This. Put the responsibility where it belongs, folks.

Its the other kids parents.

I agree though. The punishment for using a phone in class should be the parents must come to school in person at end of week to pick it up. That will motivate parents to discipline their kids to not use phones in class.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember it's optional to send your child to school with a phone at all.

This. Put the responsibility where it belongs, folks.

Anonymous wrote:Remember it's optional to send your child to school with a phone at all.

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Anonymous wrote:So I took the liberty of ordering a bunch of magnets to open this &$@! Pouch. Here is what works:

MEUOADA Rare Earth Magnet,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D6RBXT71?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Put pouch on magnet
Tap the button vigorously
It opens

We went through a few that didn’t work.

Good luck - my kid is one who would have to make a choice between missing a bus and unlocking the pouch and freak out. This pouch was an unnecessary source of anxiety and I feel happy to have defeated it.

Sincere question:Why would you not let your kid deal with the natural consequence of not unlocking the phone?

That is such a weird sincere question. What was the poor behavior that needed a consequence? Locking the phone or choosing not to miss the bus so that her parent needed to leave work to pick her up?

Neither is a choice that requires a consequence. I would recheck your idea of “natural consequences”. Natural consequences in our house - not doing homework and failing a test. Not wearing pants and being cold. Not bringing a snack and being hungry (on a short term). But following the rules and being too overladen with sports equipment to manage getting out the pouch and not missing the bus? Not something that requires a consequence.

Natural consequences is not just for poor behavior. If you forget your shoes for practice you won’t have them. If you leave your water bottle somewhere carelessly you need to buy a new one. If mom always makes sure to fix everything for you, you’ll never figure it out.

The too overladen with sports equipment to get out the pouch is also quite the sob story though.

Seriously. Since when are consequences only for poor behavior?

Consequences for kids are for decisions kids make. My kid did not decide to have a pouch. My kid did not decide to have a phone. My kid did not pick the school and my kid did not pick the bus ride. My kid didn’t make the decision to have an after school activity a bus ride away. I made the last few decisions and the school made the pouch decision. Where in there should my kid bear a consequence if things don’t go the adult’s way?

Eh, we all have to deal with consequences of decisions we didn't make. I pay taxes to support policies I don't agree with, I go into the office 4 days a week because my company decided to RTO. Your kid has to learn to deal with consequences of other people making decisions that impact him. That is life.

You strike me as a very myopic individual who is probably not even an actual parent. Nevertheless, to explain this to you further, you have the luxury of an adult decision should you not like your company’s choices or taxes: you can move. You can get a new job.

Get over yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:So I took the liberty of ordering a bunch of magnets to open this &$@! Pouch. Here is what works:

MEUOADA Rare Earth Magnet,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D6RBXT71?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Put pouch on magnet
Tap the button vigorously
It opens

We went through a few that didn’t work.

Good luck - my kid is one who would have to make a choice between missing a bus and unlocking the pouch and freak out. This pouch was an unnecessary source of anxiety and I feel happy to have defeated it.

Sincere question:Why would you not let your kid deal with the natural consequence of not unlocking the phone?

That is such a weird sincere question. What was the poor behavior that needed a consequence? Locking the phone or choosing not to miss the bus so that her parent needed to leave work to pick her up?

Neither is a choice that requires a consequence. I would recheck your idea of “natural consequences”. Natural consequences in our house - not doing homework and failing a test. Not wearing pants and being cold. Not bringing a snack and being hungry (on a short term). But following the rules and being too overladen with sports equipment to manage getting out the pouch and not missing the bus? Not something that requires a consequence.

Also, I’m replying to myself but - maybe you don’t understand the pouch? It’s that every kid locks up the phone, not just those who are pulling it out and get caught. So if the latter, the pouch is a consequence and not being able to unlock it is a natural consequence of the poor choice to pull it out in class. But if the kid never made that poor choice - the not unlocking it is not a consequence for anything. It’s just stupid.

No, it's a consequence for forgetting to unlock it or for choosing not to for whatever reason.
I think you should look up the definition of "consequence."

Thankfully, I see I’m not alone - but I will respond to this stupidity -

A kid LOCKS the pouch because they are following the rules. Kids who don’t follow the rules (using dead-phones, etc) are not following the rules. Those kids - the ones who are rule breakers - are not subject to your “consequences”. So to have a kid deal with the consequences for locking it up, you’re actually punishing the ones who make good choices following the rules.

Moving on. I took stock of my kid’s two arms today: full backpack because the kid works hard and has all honors classes and homework. A project, because the kid works hard and had to work all weekend. A bag for sports practice, because the kid works hard at school so we picked the earliest practice we could find (so it doesn’t interfere with homework). An instrument, because it doesn’t fit in the bags and the kid is diligent about practice.

The kid only has two hands. Pulling out the pouch, to unlock it, to put it back, to gather everything. If they miss the bus or fail to unlock the pouch with their full hands - I see literally nothing there for which my child should pay a consequence.

And you can move to avoid taxes you don’t like. There are lots of places without sales tax or income tax.