Anonymous
09/19/2024 10:37
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:No need for a ceasefire. Only surrender.
DP.
I think that this is the unspoken position of the current Israeli government.
10/7 convinced them that they needed to fundamentally alter the regional security dynamic.
They're working to completely eliminate Hamas's infrastructure and fighting capabilities and (at a minimum) deter Hezbollah and Iran.
Possible that they'll go further against Hezbollah and attempt to permanently degrade their capabilities as well.
Will be very interesting to see how this ends.
At a minimum, it looks like 10/7 will be to Palestinians what Pearl Harbor was to Japan in WW2--a stunning tactical victory that ends in a catastrophic strategic defeat.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 10:35
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.
This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.
Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.
Yes, war sucks.
Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.
Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.
That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.
I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.
The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.
https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/
Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.
Ah yes, history started on October 7th, please ignore every Israel attack against Lebanon (and the West bank, and Syria, and Iran) before then.
I'm the PP and I used the phrase "recent history" for a reason--the suggestion that Hezbollah's current bombing campaign is in response to Israel's current war in Gaza is simply untrue. Yes, there is history from before that. But that doesn't change the fact that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that seized upon the chance to jump into the fray less than 24 hours after October 7th happened and not as a response to the campaign in Gaza that began weeks later.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 10:25
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:No need for a ceasefire. Only surrender.
So you want Israel to surrender and allow Hamas and Hezbollah to attack Israel at will. Got it.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 10:23
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
No need for a ceasefire. Only surrender.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 10:16
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.
This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.
Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.
Yes, war sucks.
Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.
Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.
That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.
I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.
The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.
https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/
Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.
Ah yes, history started on October 7th, please ignore every Israel attack against Lebanon (and the West bank, and Syria, and Iran) before then.
Let's also ignore 1947-48, when Arabs and Palestinians launched a war to annihilate Israel on the very day it was created.
That act of violence is the original sin that has given rise to everything since.
Competes with Hitler's invasion of Russia for the most idiotic move of the 20th century.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 09:55
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.
This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.
Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.
Yes, war sucks.
Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.
Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.
That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.
I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.
The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.
https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/
Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.
Ah yes, history started on October 7th, please ignore every Israel attack against Lebanon (and the West bank, and Syria, and Iran) before then.
Let's go back 2000+ years...
Anonymous
09/19/2024 09:44
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.
This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.
Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.
Yes, war sucks.
Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.
Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.
That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.
I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.
The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.
https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/
Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.
Ah yes, history started on October 7th, please ignore every Israel attack against Lebanon (and the West bank, and Syria, and Iran) before then.
+100. Let’s ignore decades of oppression and torture and terrorism committed by Israel and rewrite history starting from October 7th. These people choose to be so willfully ignorant. Israel is a hundred times worse than Hezbollah because they have killed a hundred times more innocent people.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 09:32
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.
This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.
Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.
Yes, war sucks.
Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.
Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.
That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.
I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.
The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.
https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/
Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.
Ah yes, history started on October 7th, please ignore every Israel attack against Lebanon (and the West bank, and Syria, and Iran) before then.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 09:22
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.
This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.
Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.
Yes, war sucks.
Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.
Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.
That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.
I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.
The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.
https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/
Let's at least be honest about recent history--the first rocket attack from Hezbollah after October 7th came on October 8th. Israel hadn't even finished assessing the damage from the day before, let alone begun their movement into Gaza at that point. So while I absolutely support a ceasefire, I also will not give Hezbollah some kind of pass for being anything other than a terrorist organization that saw October 7th as the excuse they needed to attack Israel as soon and as often as they could.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 09:09
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.
This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.
Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.
Yes, war sucks.
Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.
Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.
That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.
I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.
The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.
https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/
Why would anyone trust what Hezbollah - a transnational terror organization that routinely murders Lebanese civilians who do not pay protection money - has to say about a ceasefire?
PS - I'm actually in support of a ceasefire, but I have no illusions that the presence of one will stop Hezbollah from lobbing rockets
Anonymous
09/19/2024 08:53
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Americans are paying for this.
Americans are now targets for blowback.
America wasn't involved in this operation. But it's typical that the deranged would want to project this onto America.
I believe you; this was likely an Israeli operation.
That said when you make a twenty billion special appropriation for the war, I am not sure you can expect people to draw a clear distinction.
Operation was brilliantly executed; whether it was brilliant to do, we will have to see the second order effects. I am pretty skeptical.
Rumor has it Chinese companies are getting a flood of orders with requirements that the entirety of manufacturing happen in China.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 08:45
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Americans are paying for this.
Americans are now targets for blowback.
America wasn't involved in this operation. But it's typical that the deranged would want to project this onto America.
I believe you; this was likely an Israeli operation.
That said when you make a twenty billion special appropriation for the war, I am not sure you can expect people to draw a clear distinction.
Operation was brilliantly executed; whether it was brilliant to do, we will have to see the second order effects. I am pretty skeptical.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 08:41
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot fight two ground wars at the same time. This operation just ended the risk that Israel would need to engage Hezbollah in a ground war. Hezbollah has been continually escalating for the past six months and it was getting dangerously close to Israel being pulled into a 2nd war or - at the very least - a sustained air campaign that would have catastrophic effects on Lebanese civilians.
This pager sabotage operation actually saved many thousands of civilian lives on both side of the border.
Further, it needs to be reiterated that Hezbollah just killed 12 Druze children playing soccer on a playground in northern Israel just last month with their rockets.
Yes, war sucks.
Hezbollah has said multiple times they will stop the rocket attacks if there is a ceasefire in Gaza.
Israel has killed over 150 civilians in Lebanon in the past 11 months. That is civilians, not Hezbollah.
That number includes a journalist for Reuters, paramedics, and many children.
I don't think the life of an Israeli kid is worth more than a Druze kid or a Lebanese kid or a Palestinian kid.
The best way to stop the Lebanon and Israel war is to get a ceasefire in Gaza. Which Netanyahu and his cronies don't want.
https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-nabatiyeh-294288635bb489fdefd8d36978651554
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-paramedics-killed-israeli-strike-border-fighting-intensifies-2024-09-07/
Anonymous
09/19/2024 08:32
Subject: Lebanon / Israel
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Definitely an active war against Lebanon. How many times is Israel going to be able to get away with before they pay a price? No sympathies for the American killing Israelis.
Not against Lebanon,
Agains Hezbollah.
Big difference.
Hezbollah is a terroist group.
No it’s an act of war against Lebanon. Hezbollah is as much a terrorist group as the IDF is.
DP.
Do you know anything at all about Hezbollah’s history?
Hijackings, suicide bombings, etc., ring a bell?
+1
These people are so stupid, it's not even worth the energy. They have no idea what Hezbollah is.
So true. I read an article in which the writer described placing a large Hezbollah flag into their suitcase. TSA had no idea what it was and unfolded it, looked at it, and put it back.
Anonymous
09/19/2024 08:27
Subject: Re:Lebanon / Israel
Another thing that's not clear is how these explosives didn't seem to leave a chemical detection trail. Was it the batteries after all, or was something else done to avoid detection?