Anonymous wrote:The reality is that many high fliers in math have left DCPS by middle or high school.

The top students are not staying in the system and even less now.

Ok, well, in that case we're still back to "the 9th grade math data is a fairly accurate representation", which is all I was saying.

In 2023 National Merit Semifinalists came from:
Basis
SWW
And Wilson / Jackson Reed.

So, that's at least eight nationally recognized "high fliers" who stayed in the system.

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that many high fliers in math have left DCPS by middle or high school.

The top students are not staying in the system and even less now.

That's not "the reality"? I'm sure you can find high fliers in math at Walls, JR, BASIS and McKinley Tech.

Indeed. What a prejudiced take.

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that many high fliers in math have left DCPS by middle or high school.

The top students are not staying in the system and even less now.

That's not "the reality"? I'm sure you can find high fliers in math at Walls, JR, BASIS and McKinley Tech.

The reality is that many high fliers in math have left DCPS by middle or high school.

The top students are not staying in the system and even less now.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone interested, here are the percentages at select DCPS high schools of students who tested above grade level in the CAPE ELA and math tests:

ELA

Walls 66.11
Banneker 36.87
J-R 26.59
McA 5.53

Math

Walls 8.43
Banneker 5.8
J-R 1.68
McA 0.00

Wow-these schools don't have a lot of higher fliers in math. And MacArthur has a lot of room to improve.

High fliers in math would have taken the math Parcc in middle school and not show up in a high school's numbers. It's not surprising to me that if kids taking algebra I or geometry in high school, few would score a 5.

We've been through this. Very few students aren't taking the math PARCC in 9th grade. There were 22 9th graders at JR who took ELA but not math, 13 at SWW, and ZERO at Banneker.

We can also look at middle school geometry scores in the state-wide data. They do very well in terms of passage rates, but fewer than 20% of them get a 5.

Assign 20% of the missing kids a 5 (assign somewhat more if you assume some of the kids who do less-well in geometry retake it) and those school numbers are not changing much. (At Banneker, they're not changing at all!)

You have to look at what PARCC test they are taking though. Getting a 3 in Geometry as a 9th grader is not the same thing as being below grade level.

The quote was "not show up in a high school's numbers", and the implication was that this absence was driving the numbers. It's clearly not.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone interested, here are the percentages at select DCPS high schools of students who tested above grade level in the CAPE ELA and math tests:

ELA

Walls 66.11
Banneker 36.87
J-R 26.59
McA 5.53

Math

Walls 8.43
Banneker 5.8
J-R 1.68
McA 0.00

Wow-these schools don't have a lot of higher fliers in math. And MacArthur has a lot of room to improve.

High fliers in math would have taken the math Parcc in middle school and not show up in a high school's numbers. It's not surprising to me that if kids taking algebra I or geometry in high school, few would score a 5.

We've been through this. Very few students aren't taking the math PARCC in 9th grade. There were 22 9th graders at JR who took ELA but not math, 13 at SWW, and ZERO at Banneker.

We can also look at middle school geometry scores in the state-wide data. They do very well in terms of passage rates, but fewer than 20% of them get a 5.

Assign 20% of the missing kids a 5 (assign somewhat more if you assume some of the kids who do less-well in geometry retake it) and those school numbers are not changing much. (At Banneker, they're not changing at all!)

You have to look at what PARCC test they are taking though. Getting a 3 in Geometry as a 9th grader is not the same thing as being below grade level.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone interested, here are the percentages at select DCPS high schools of students who tested above grade level in the CAPE ELA and math tests:

ELA

Walls 66.11
Banneker 36.87
J-R 26.59
McA 5.53

Math

Walls 8.43
Banneker 5.8
J-R 1.68
McA 0.00

Wow-these schools don't have a lot of higher fliers in math. And MacArthur has a lot of room to improve.

High fliers in math would have taken the math Parcc in middle school and not show up in a high school's numbers. It's not surprising to me that if kids taking algebra I or geometry in high school, few would score a 5.

We've been through this. Very few students aren't taking the math PARCC in 9th grade. There were 22 9th graders at JR who took ELA but not math, 13 at SWW, and ZERO at Banneker.

We can also look at middle school geometry scores in the state-wide data. They do very well in terms of passage rates, but fewer than 20% of them get a 5.

Assign 20% of the missing kids a 5 (assign somewhat more if you assume some of the kids who do less-well in geometry retake it) and those school numbers are not changing much. (At Banneker, they're not changing at all!)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For anyone interested, here are the percentages at select DCPS high schools of students who tested above grade level in the CAPE ELA and math tests:

ELA

Walls 66.11
Banneker 36.87
J-R 26.59
McA 5.53

Math

Walls 8.43
Banneker 5.8
J-R 1.68
McA 0.00

Wow-these schools don't have a lot of higher fliers in math. And MacArthur has a lot of room to improve.

High fliers in math would have taken the math Parcc in middle school and not show up in a high school's numbers. It's not surprising to me that if kids taking algebra I or geometry in high school, few would score a 5.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone interested, here are the percentages at select DCPS high schools of students who tested above grade level in the CAPE ELA and math tests:

ELA

Walls 66.11
Banneker 36.87
J-R 26.59
McA 5.53

Math

Walls 8.43
Banneker 5.8
J-R 1.68
McA 0.00

Wow-these schools don't have a lot of higher fliers in math. And MacArthur has a lot of room to improve.

Here are the actual number of students getting 5s in math and overall number of test takers:

Walls 6/32
Banneker 22/379
J-R 10/596
MacA 0/172

Anonymous wrote:For anyone interested, here are the percentages at select DCPS high schools of students who tested above grade level in the CAPE ELA and math tests:

ELA

Walls 66.11
Banneker 36.87
J-R 26.59
McA 5.53

Math

Walls 8.43
Banneker 5.8
J-R 1.68
McA 0.00

Wow-these schools don't have a lot of higher fliers in math. And MacArthur has a lot of room to improve.

Anonymous wrote:For anyone interested, here are the percentages at select DCPS high schools of students who tested above grade level in the CAPE ELA and math tests:

ELA

Walls 66.11
Banneker 36.87
J-R 26.59
McA 5.53

Math

Walls 8.43
Banneker 5.8
J-R 1.68
McA 0.00

This is not a helpful analysis without an understanding of how to interpret math scores.

For anyone interested, here are the percentages at select DCPS high schools of students who tested above grade level in the CAPE ELA and math tests:

ELA

Walls 66.11
Banneker 36.87
J-R 26.59
McA 5.53

Math

Walls 8.43
Banneker 5.8
J-R 1.68
McA 0.00

Anonymous wrote:FYI: DCPS doesn't censor as much data as OSSE AND provides data for Macarthur HS: https://dcps.dc.gov/node/1157771


For example:

School Name Grade Subgroup ELA - % Proficient # Math Test Takers Math - % Proficient
School Without Walls High School HS White/Caucasian 100.00% 80 85.00%
Benjamin Banneker High School HS White/Caucasian 96.43% 25 84.00%
Duke Ellington School of the Arts HS White/Caucasian 89.80% 39 35.90%
DC Public Schools HS White/Caucasian 87.15% 394 56.35%
Jackson-Reed High School HS White/Caucasian 87.15% 183 56.28%
MacArthur High School HS White/Caucasian 67.39% 36 25.00%

Can you post this for Black and Asian students as well? I can't access the spreadsheet.

on the Q on why a Burroughs does better with at risk than a charter, with someone with experience at a Title 1 school and a charter (and whose at-risk kid has never scored a 3 but came close once at the Title 1)...

My take is that the ELA general ed instruction is pitched much higher at the charters with lots of middle and upper middle class kids, which is not great for kids who might be on the 2/3 or even 3/4 bubble... and the special ed staff has more turnover at the lower-paying charters. Also, some of the charters do a lot of group projects, which may not be as well linked to the skills you need for CAPE.

The best teacher we ever had was 3rd grade general ed at a Title 1 school. She was a superhero.

(Though we do like some of the teachers at the charter very much. Young does not mean not good!)