To add, I’ve seen at other schools where the pouches are used that the pouches are in the individual classrooms so each kid locks theirs in the pouch IN THAT CLASS, meaning in a true emergency (like a school shooting, not wanting to leave after the SOLs) they still could get it out. This also means it’s never in a central location away from them. It’s technically always with them, just not usable. This is very doable. At the end of class, you pop it out and go. But you can’t just subconsciously grab it out of your hoodie all class or have it going off on your desk where you can see and not help looking at it.

Anonymous wrote:Honestly question- if your kid has the pouch in her backpack and leaves the phone in the backpack all day (not in the pouch) following the rules. How is the teacher going to know whether or not it is in the pouch?

My kid is a rule follower to the point of annoyance so she may not do this. AAP kid, got awards for following the rules. I only say this because I do believe my kid keeps her “phone (only on Wi-if not cell service) in her backpack.

BUT as a parent I am pretty comfortable telling her to do this because she can access it in case of some awful emergency.

It will be on her if she doesn’t follow the rule and takes it out, but since it was an away for the day school, she knew that already.

If it’s in the backpack all day but not specifically in the pouch, ok. But real talk, if they could keep it in their backpack all day and not use it during class , we wouldn’t be at the point of needing pouches. It sounds so simple but it’s not - they cannot manage it that way.

This pouch seems superior- why don’t they use it instead?

https://www.winelements.com/post/yondr-vs-multi-tiered-safe-pouch

Honestly question- if your kid has the pouch in her backpack and leaves the phone in the backpack all day (not in the pouch) following the rules. How is the teacher going to know whether or not it is in the pouch?

My kid is a rule follower to the point of annoyance so she may not do this. AAP kid, got awards for following the rules. I only say this because I do believe my kid keeps her “phone (only on Wi-if not cell service) in her backpack.

BUT as a parent I am pretty comfortable telling her to do this because she can access it in case of some awful emergency.

It will be on her if she doesn’t follow the rule and takes it out, but since it was an away for the day school, she knew that already.

Anonymous wrote:I support no phone use in middle schools, but this pouch stuff is dumb. My 13yo is in general a rule follower and does not use their phone during school (I know because I check their usage). My plan is to have them leave their phone at home and have their Apple Watch on school mode to turn off as soon as school ends. If they need me in an emergency they can turn off school mode and contact me. If we need to communicate about after school plans/rides/frequent bus delays I will text and they will get it as school mode turns off, and they will text on the watch after school.

I think this goes along with the school’s ultimate goal of no phones at school but leaves needed communication open.

If more parents choose to have their kids leave the phone at home to not have to pouch it, that’s great. A watch is not nearly as distracting as the phone because they can’t do tiktok/snap/games on it or just endlessly scroll. I have zero issue with Apple Watch use in my classes and wouldn’t mind a quick text here and there at all.

However, most kids and families aren’t just going to move to leaving phones at home by choice so if the pouch encourages that and we can eventually move to your phone is only locked in the pouch if you in particular continue to have issues with it, that’s a perfectly good system IMO. (Though I think making it a requirement for the PARENT to come get the phone out of the pouch if it gets to that point would be the true deterrent.)

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

Guys it’s a PILOT. That’s what they’re trying to figure out - how to do it best countywide. They didn’t already buy 215,000 pouches

If they were ACTUALLY interested in figuring out the best way they’d be collecting data on phone usage for at least a few months with no intervention, with current (last school years) intervention, and they’d have different phases of novel intervention across different schools trying different methods- not just a pouch. They would stagger interventions within and across schools. Then they’d actually look at what works and what doesn’t work and choose based on the data.

This is just a slow roll out for Yondr.

Probably to line someone’s pockets.

They already have that information from the last school year.

SMH

I’m waiting to see it posted on the website.

Keep waiting, FCPS is not required to share every bit of data they have with you or the community.

DP. They 100% are if they are forcing some communist style seizure methods on our children. As it stands there is ZERO justification for this and WE AREN’T DOING IT! My kids will NOT be accepting a commie pouch.

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I support no phone use in middle schools, but this pouch stuff is dumb. My 13yo is in general a rule follower and does not use their phone during school (I know because I check their usage). My plan is to have them leave their phone at home and have their Apple Watch on school mode to turn off as soon as school ends. If they need me in an emergency they can turn off school mode and contact me. If we need to communicate about after school plans/rides/frequent bus delays I will text and they will get it as school mode turns off, and they will text on the watch after school.

I think this goes along with the school’s ultimate goal of no phones at school but leaves needed communication open.

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I’m buying these.

An effecive way to sterilize your boys.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

Guys it’s a PILOT. That’s what they’re trying to figure out - how to do it best countywide. They didn’t already buy 215,000 pouches

If they were ACTUALLY interested in figuring out the best way they’d be collecting data on phone usage for at least a few months with no intervention, with current (last school years) intervention, and they’d have different phases of novel intervention across different schools trying different methods- not just a pouch. They would stagger interventions within and across schools. Then they’d actually look at what works and what doesn’t work and choose based on the data.

This is just a slow roll out for Yondr.

Probably to line someone’s pockets.

They already have that information from the last school year.

SMH

I’m waiting to see it posted on the website.

Keep waiting, FCPS is not required to share every bit of data they have with you or the community.

DP. They 100% are if they are forcing some communist style seizure methods on our children. As it stands there is ZERO justification for this and WE AREN’T DOING IT! My kids will NOT be accepting a commie pouch.

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I thought the governor is outlawing phones in schools- no?

The governor issued a mandate this summer that all Virginia schools need to develop plans to be cell phone free this school year. DCUM parents believe this does not / should not apply to them.

DCUM thinks FCPS should invest the time and energy into finding a way that works before giving away tax payers dollars to a pouch company just to cover up the fact that their disciplinary standards are non-existent.

This draconian approach isn’t going to go over well for most. Pouch Punishment should be reserved for those children that can’t follow the rules.

Whatever they came up with you still wouldn’t want to apply to your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

Guys it’s a PILOT. That’s what they’re trying to figure out - how to do it best countywide. They didn’t already buy 215,000 pouches

If they were ACTUALLY interested in figuring out the best way they’d be collecting data on phone usage for at least a few months with no intervention, with current (last school years) intervention, and they’d have different phases of novel intervention across different schools trying different methods- not just a pouch. They would stagger interventions within and across schools. Then they’d actually look at what works and what doesn’t work and choose based on the data.

This is just a slow roll out for Yondr.

Probably to line someone’s pockets.

They already have that information from the last school year.

SMH

I’m waiting to see it posted on the website.

Keep waiting, FCPS is not required to share every bit of data they have with you or the community.

DP. They 100% are if they are forcing some communist style seizure methods on our children. As it stands there is ZERO justification for this and WE AREN’T DOING IT! My kids will NOT be accepting a commie pouch.

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I thought the governor is outlawing phones in schools- no?

The governor issued a mandate this summer that all Virginia schools need to develop plans to be cell phone free this school year. DCUM parents believe this does not / should not apply to them.

DCUM thinks FCPS should invest the time and energy into finding a way that works before giving away tax payers dollars to a pouch company just to cover up the fact that their disciplinary standards are non-existent.

This draconian approach isn’t going to go over well for most. Pouch Punishment should be reserved for those children that can’t follow the rules.

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